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  2. Scottish Professional Football League

    1. Scottish Premiership General Chatter

      Discussion for or about Aberdeen, Celtic, Dundee, Hearts, Hibernian, Kilmarnock, Livingston, Motherwell, Rangers, Ross County, St.Johnstone & St.Mirren
    2. Scottish Championship General Chatter

      Discussion for or about Airdrie, Arbroath, Ayr Utd, Dundee Utd, Dunfermline Athletic, Greenock Morton, Inverness CT, Partick Thistle, Queen's Park & Raith Rovers

    3. Scottish League 1 General Chatter

      Discussion for or about Alloa Athletic, Annan Athletic, Cove Rangers, Falkirk, Edinburgh City, Hamilton Accies, Kelty Hearts, Montrose, Queen of the South & Stirling Albion

    4. Scottish League 2 General Chatter

      Discussion for or about Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic, Clyde, Dumbarton, East Fife, Elgin City, Forfar Athletic, Peterhead, Spartans, Stenhousemuir & Stranraer

    5. A View From The Terrace

      A View From The Terrace

      The only show on television looking at every ounce of Scottish football. Join us as we discuss our weird and wonderful game, from the fan's perspective.Catch the show every Friday night on the BBC Scotland Channel and stream previous episodes now on BBC iPlayer.

    6. Improving Scottish Football

      Improving Scottish Football

      The Podcast for fans who want more than the status-quo. Talking about league re-construction, the TV deal, playing style, youth development, fan experience, etc

      Produced by Kieran Hennigan.

    7. Nutmeg

      Nutmeg Magazine

      Published every three months, Nutmeg is a high-class home for quality articles about Scottish football’s past, present and future. It offers opinion, reflection, interviews, insight, illustration, photography and poetry. It is a unique blend between 196 uniquely elegant pages.
      It's our game. In Print. On podcasts. At events.

    8. Scottish Football - Fans' Views

      A place to have your views on the future of the game heard.
      Fans Views is here for you to discuss a range of issues affecting the game and aims to give all fans a voice.
  3. Scottish Football Pyramid

    1. North Pyramid

      Combined discussion on Highland League, Midlands League, North Caledonian League and North Superleague. If post levels get to decent numbers we'll provide specific sub forums for each league.

    2. Lowland League

      Discuss all the latest happenings in the Lowland Football League here

    3. East of Scotland Football League

      Discuss all the latest happenings in the East of Scotland Football League here

    4. South of Scotland Football League

      Discuss all the latest happenings in the South of Scotland Football League here

    5. West of Scotland Football League

      Discuss all the latest happenings in the West of Scotland Football League here

    6. Junior Football

      An archive of the previous Junior Football forum.

  4. The Cups

    1. Domestic Cup Football

      Scottish Cup, League Cup, Challenge Cup, Regional Cups, Junior Cups  - if its domestic silverware then this is the place to discuss !

    2. Scots in Europe

      From the Europa League to the Champions League, discuss how the Scottish clubs are faring in European competition here.

  5. International and Other Football and Other Sports

    1. Misc Other Fitba Chat

      The English Premiership, The Championship, Serie A, La Liga, The World Cup, Copa America, Auchterarder Under 13 Division B, if it's fitba and it's not covered above or below then it's in here.
    2. Tartan Army Ramblings

      The national side is a constant source of abject misery but at some point it might end. Sir Steve Clarke is the latest man charged with leading us to the glory of a first round exit at a major tournament. Discuss all aspects of the Scotland team here.

    3. Euro 2024

      Scotland are going to Germany in 2024 and it looks like half the country are planning a visit!

      Use this forum to discuss the built up to the tournament itself, and we've also split off a wee sub-forum for discussing travel arrangements for those thinking of making the trip.

    4. Amateur Football

      There are 30-40 Saturday-playing amateur leagues in Scotland covering Highland, North of Scotland, North of Tay, Tayside, Fife, East of Scotland, South of Scotland, and West of Scotland regions. Discuss them all here !

    5. Youth Football

      Our designated area for those involved, or playing within Scottish Youth football across every region and every age group.

    6. Womens Football

      All the chat about the Women's game in here please.

    7. All Other Sports

      The P&B massive have a love of many other sports too so if you want to talk Golf, Egg Chasing, Tennis, Yank Football, Baseball, Cricket, Darts, Snooker or Synchronised swimming or anything else then here is the place to do it.

    8. Infowire

      Jamie Wire has retired as our resident statto but never fear as craigkillie has stepped in to take over ! Feel free to post any question in this forum on the subject of Scottish football (line-ups, results, trivia etc) and either he or one of the many forum regulars will be only too happy to try and help!

  6. General Nonsense and Misc Others

    1. The General Nonsense Forum

      This is the General Nonsense forum for use by all P&B visitors to discuss anything and everything. Note that any music, tv, film, gaming or technology related threads should be placed in the respective forums (see below this one) for those topics.

    2. The Politics Forum

      Formerly the independence forum, now just for general political chit chat.

      All Indy Ref topics have been preserved.

    3. The Music Forum

      General nonsense has always had a rich musical history so we have now allowed Music to have it's very own dedicated section of the board. All music related threads here please !

    4. The Travel Forum

      Getting good travel advice is invaluable when you are thinking of heading somewhere new. P&B has a very well well travelled membership so this section is for you to pick their brains about where you are off to.

    5. TV and Film Forum

      A forum for debating everything related to small and big screen entertainment. From the latest Hollywood blockbuster to what's happening in Corrie, this is the place to discuss it.

    6. The Gaming Forum

      Split from the e-chat forum by popular request, this is the forum to discuss any kind of gaming. Consoles, PC games, handhelds, internet, mobile etc. If it's games it's here.

    7. The E-Chat Technology Forum

      Sponsored by Big Front DoorThe e-chat forum for is for discussing technology and for getting some tech support on pretty much anything from the forum whizz kids. No gaming chat in here please, keep it in the gaming forum !

      Sponsored by www.bigfrontdoor.com web design.
    8. The Gambling Forum

      Betting on the footy or on other major sporting events and got a great tip to share with fellow P&B'ers ? Our gambling forum is bursting with tips !
    9. Pie and Bovril Gold

      It's long been requested by the masses and finally here it is. P&B Gold is where old classic threads will be moved to by the mods whenever they have served their time in the main forum.

      Users can contribute to threads that make their way in here, but can't start new topics here. Of course we want users to suggest threads that merit being moved here, and we will NEVER archive any of the threads that sit in Gold.

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