The Spider Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 2 hours ago, the_bully_wee said: Ignoring the completely out of context meltdown from peternapper above, would any of the QP fans who've taken issue with my original post be up for engaging in an intelligent, civilised discussion? The first point I'd like to address is why Queen's Park ever decided that signing and fielding professional players was worth the loss of their true amateur status. Surely it detracts from the pride you have in your club knowing that you're only still amateurs because of a technicality (that being your professional players are primarily registered with another club)? After that, I can educate you all on why Clyde are - contrary to the opining of those with the baying-mob, social justice mentality - morally sound in employing players with chequered histories. Should a plumber be disqualified from plumbing ever again because he's dealt drugs? 50.01% likely to have raped someone? Allegedly called someone who has a personal vandetta against him a "Paki b*****d" after 6+ years working with people of a variety of ethnicities and no such discrepancies? It is not the fault of Matthew Flynn, David Goodwillie or Ally Love that football players are held up as role models. Football is lacking in morality no more than society as a whole - the world's greatest footballers and managers are all currently bribing their way out of jail time for tax evasion. I'd have thought that, in line with the working man's club heritage of QPFC, left-wing (and progressive) attitudes would prevail among their support. Or does this right-wing, let's-not-integrate-offenders-into-society barbaric attitude only prevail when it comes to a rival club? Genuinely intrigued to know. Ok, man of your word, spout forth but per your conditions I'll go first. "why Queen's Park ever decided that signing and fielding professional players was worth the loss of their true amateur status". You say that like it's something new. See that man you got your sweeeties from (no not him, the other one!), well that was Robert "Toffee Bob" McColl who first played for QP from 1894 - 1901 before turning professional with Newcastle and Rangers. You would have thoughht that was the end of the story, but he wanted to play for Queens again so the committee debated it and decided that it wasn't a breach of the club's principles so long as he wasn't being paid by us. That remains the case to this day so you can argue fine lines all you want (including employing professional coaches), but it remains irrefutable that we still don't pay our players anything other than expenses or the nominal £1 that was required until recently. QP used to be compared with Olympians as far as their amateur status was concerned - who's occupying the moral high ground on that one now? Now it's your turn. Please educate me why it's morally sound for Clyde to be employing (or have employed in recent seasons) a rapist, racist and drug dealer.............call me picky but your above rant hardly counts as justification, so "in an intelligent, civilised manner" let's try again but without the seethe and faux-injustice this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaver1 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 This is a topic to discuss the Play off between Stenhousemuir and Queen's Park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spider Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, beaver1 said: This is a topic to discuss the Play off between Stenhousemuir and Queen's Park. Apologies, and you're right of course, but it was in this thread that an unwarranted attack was made on both our clubs. Nonetheless I should have moved this to a new thread, and should our itinerant interloper deign to furnish us with his "education" then perhaps he'll be considerate enough to correct my error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_bully_wee Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 10 minutes ago, The Spider said: Now it's your turn. Please educate me why it's morally sound for Clyde to be employing (or have employed in recent seasons) a rapist, racist and drug dealer.............call me picky but your above rant hardly counts as justification, so "in an intelligent, civilised manner" let's try again but without the seethe and faux-injustice this time. On the amateur front, I take and understand your point - mine is more geared towards loanees, who can at times (but admittedly not always) count among the best players in your side. See Keena this season - I don't think it's hyperbole to say that his goals have helped you massively on your road to the play-offs. He's a current, paid, full-time professional football player who is playing at Queen's Park - totally different, in my eyes at least, to the likes of Ross Millen et al. The original constitution was probably a little harsh with regards to former professionals, so I can see why that was amended so (relatively) soon. I think it comes down to personal opinion more than anything when you're talking about whether these people should play football again. In my (progressive, socialist) eyes, offenders who have served their punishment should be re-integrated into society, and given the correct and necessary support and guidance to prevent them from re-offending. They should be allowed to continue/pursue their careers, where others are not made vulnerable by their doing so, and as such I can't really understand why the pitchforks-oot mentality prevails. That's before you even consider the situations of the three "questionable" characters Clyde employ - an "on the balance of probability" (could be as little as 51/49) rapist, a cocaine dealer (should drugs even be illegal? His crimes didn't directly affect anyone) and someone whose hearing for racism was delayed and adjourned, who then had bestowed upon him a pitiful ban in light of what he was found by the SFA to have done, such was the lack of compelling evidence and the nature of the relationship between the two involved parties. I'm not going to advocate any of these crimes - the three of them have all clearly done regrettable, possibly terrible things in their time, regardless of the ifs and maybes - but I believe in rehabilitation and re-integration. I don't see why football should be detached from those values. Finally, thank you for replying in a civil and courteous manner. I've no idea why your fellow fans can be so inflammatory and defensive - all I called for was reasoned discussion. It was really quite disheartening to read some of the bile hurled in my direction after merely seeking answers to reasonable questions I posed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_bully_wee Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 9 minutes ago, beaver1 said: This is a topic to discuss the Play off between Stenhousemuir and Queen's Park. Queen's Park win over two legs - I fancy Gus' organisation and nous to do the business. The only hope for Stenny is that McGuigan is fit and firing and forms with Andy Dallas the cohesive, dangerous strike partnership they've lacked for much of the season. I think there will be a bit of treatment dished out to Paton and that, allied with Stenny's ball-shelling approach of late and all-round poor form, should see Queen's safe. As I said at first, though, I firmly believe both sides will be battling it out in League 2 next term - barring Stirling and/or Stenny re-capturing their earlier, far more impressive form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spider Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 32 minutes ago, the_bully_wee said: I've no idea why your fellow fans can be so inflammatory and defensive To conclude this non-match part of the debate..........perhaps you've done yourself no favours by donning your well-earned "king of the wind-ups" crown on (at least) one occasion too many, but thank-you for rewarding the benefit of the doubt I was prepared to offer you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Spider Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 30 minutes ago, the_bully_wee said: Queen's Park win over two legs - I fancy Gus' organisation and nous to do the business. The only hope for Stenny is that McGuigan is fit and firing and forms with Andy Dallas the cohesive, dangerous strike partnership they've lacked for much of the season. I think there will be a bit of treatment dished out to Paton and that, allied with Stenny's ball-shelling approach of late and all-round poor form, should see Queen's safe. As I said at first, though, I firmly believe both sides will be battling it out in League 2 next term - barring Stirling and/or Stenny re-capturing their earlier, far more impressive form. There's two ways to look at this. On current form (we were really good against Arbroath in spite of them having a stinker) I would be reasonably optimistic of scraping through against Stenny, but they've done us twice in the play-offs before. Once by virtue of being too big and physical for us, and the other by exploiting our usual weakness of being unable to penetrate teams who sit in and protect a lead (without a tall centre-forward in our ranks, a compact opposition defence is usually unassailable, as Albion Rovers proved on many an occasion). Which leads me nicely onto the Dunlop Brothers. If Stenny take a lead back to Hampden, then I'd make them favourites for the tie based on their defensive nous and experience of protecting leads against us. However we have been better away from home this year as (and I know this will be painful for you) we were in the play-offs two years ago, so if we can avoid defeat it would mean that Stenny would need to be a bit more adventurous at Hampden and I'd fancy Keena in a 1-1 race for a through ball v Mick Dunlop at this late stage of his career. I agree with you that both teams should be praying for Stirling to somehow overcome Peterhead as neither of us will be looking forward to a midweek roadwork-laden journey north of Aberdeen to face Rory McAllister & Co. As I said on the appropriate thread (BYOS spoiler alert) on Clyde's site at the time of Danny Lennon's appointment, you finally have a coach capable of taking Gus on in a tactical battle, and if we do indeed drop down to join you then I suspect there will be a space on our mantelpiece that needs dusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT1867 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 who cares about Clyde? they were an irrevelance to us last season, an irrelevance this season, and hopefully an irrelevance next season as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Your Own Socks Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Knew about the Dunlops and Mark Ferry but didn't realise Longworth's there too. We've had a few dunts this year from old boys this season. I'd agree with The Spider's footrace forecast - the old Dunlop must be getting tyred by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spider Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Bring Your Own Socks said: the old Dunlop must be getting tyred by now. chortle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francesc Fabregas Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 The former Queen's Park players in the Stenhousemuir squad have been a mixed bag. Mark Ferry has been the best of the bunch and has done pretty well playing in front of the defence, recycling possession and keeping things ticking over, and he scored a 90th-minute winner against Annan Athletic a couple of weeks ago. Ross Dunlop has been a good signing and looks the part as a ball-playing centre-back but he's made a couple of costly errors in two recent games. Mick's looked a bit creaky and I'm not 100 per cent sure if he's quite what we're looking for next season. Jamie Longworth, meanwhile, has been a bit of a disappointment. His best days were obviously at Queen's Park and Stranraer and he doesn't seem to have that goodness in him anymore. His touch is often askew and he's found himself on the bench most weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Your Own Socks Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 16 minutes ago, Francesc Fabregas said: His best days were obviously at Queen's Park and Stranraer and he doesn't seem to have that goodness in him anymore. His touch is often askew and he's found himself on the bench most weeks. It's written in the stars then. Longworth scores last-minute winner at Hampden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampden Diehard Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 It's written in the stars then. Longworth scores last-minute winner at Hampden Only 6 goals this year, I think?? Hopefully that doesn't improve any. Thinking back...what a bloody goal machine he was for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick1867 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 2 hours ago, Francesc Fabregas said: The former Queen's Park players in the Stenhousemuir squad have been a mixed bag. Mark Ferry has been the best of the bunch and has done pretty well playing in front of the defence, recycling possession and keeping things ticking over, and he scored a 90th-minute winner against Annan Athletic a couple of weeks ago. Ross Dunlop has been a good signing and looks the part as a ball-playing centre-back but he's made a couple of costly errors in two recent games. Mick's looked a bit creaky and I'm not 100 per cent sure if he's quite what we're looking for next season. Jamie Longworth, meanwhile, has been a bit of a disappointment. His best days were obviously at Queen's Park and Stranraer and he doesn't seem to have that goodness in him anymore. His touch is often askew and he's found himself on the bench most weeks. Cheers for the summary. re Ferry, probably the least acclaimed of our midfield foursome when we won promotion in 2007 but only by those who don't know football. Bagged many important goals for us and most of them were of the spectacular variety. Am I right in saying that was his first goal for you in a while? Mick will always be a cult hero with the QP fans, just for his celebrations alone. Is he still jumping into the crowd? However I thought last season when he played against us for Rovers he wasn't the same player I knew Longworth wasn't getting a regular game for you - it was the same last season at Alloa - but I wasn't sure if it was down to injuries or other fitness issues. He was an absolute God up front for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Your Own Socks Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 From our friends at Stranraer...watch the movement. He could teach our guys so much. If we have to go down I'll tolerate it with a Jamie goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spider Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 I'm a little bit less optimistic about tonight having seen that Stenny have only lost once in their last six games, so reasonable form coming into this, but will feel happier if Jamie remains on the bench - absolutely no place for sentimentality in games like these. Also reminded myself that Mick Dunlop and Mark Ferry had a right hand sided corner routine which saw the latter score a few "run-around" goals - I trust that someone's reminded our defence to watch out for that move where Mick obstructs two defenders to create the space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francesc Fabregas Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Mick1867 said: Cheers for the summary. re Ferry, probably the least acclaimed of our midfield foursome when we won promotion in 2007 but only by those who don't know football. Bagged many important goals for us and most of them were of the spectacular variety. Am I right in saying that was his first goal for you in a while? Mick will always be a cult hero with the QP fans, just for his celebrations alone. Is he still jumping into the crowd? However I thought last season when he played against us for Rovers he wasn't the same player That was Mark Ferry's only goal for us! What a way to get it though. The guy barely ever crosses the halfway line so God only knows what he was doing in the six-yard box to score from that header. Big Mick hasn't piled into the crowd yet but he did celebrate Ferry's goal by sliding on his knees in front of the home support. I marked the heck out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEMSFC Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Good first half so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QPFCsco Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 I’m glad we pulled a goal back. Thought the game might get away from us after stenny scored. If we can keep it 1-1 I’m fully confident going into the home leg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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