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9 minutes ago, YellowJacketBoi said:
Grow up man.
I certainly don’t think I’m alone in feeling like this group of supporters put themselves front and centre of everything and it feels more about them than the club.
I saw some very well put points by MJC on Steelmen that summed it all up very well.
Noticed as well that one of the respondents on this thread mentioned they’ve moved away from that section, didn’t explain why though.
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4 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:
The issue we have is that we’re far too easy to pressure at set pieces because we don’t have anyone at the back who is dominant in the air. We’re crying out for the modern version of Frazer Wright and that’s been abundantly clear since even the League Cup group stage games. That and a top flight ready goalkeeper.
This could have been lifted out of any Motherwell thread last season - just substitute Wright for one of ours. The irony isn't lost that we picked up a Saints defender to (seemingly) solve our problem. I thought against Hearts, we scored from two set pieces due to them being totally disorganised - but yesterday we were physically dominating at virtually every set piece and Casey in particular had a field day.
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19 minutes ago, The Marly said:
They didn't use it properly at all yesterday. Apart from the penalty that wasn't, Motherwell shouldn't have got the corner they scored from. And Sanders got a second yellow for Watt running into him.
ETA Motherwell definitely deserved to win, but that corner decision really rankles.
The corner was definitely wrong - and it was pretty obvious from near the back of the stand at least. The bodycheck on Watt was also pretty obvious as it happened right in front of where I was sitting. Sanders moved towards (and looked towards) Watt slightly and turned into him - fairly obvious body check (although I thought his first yellow was harsh given what the referee had been letting go all day). Second yellow is at about 2:50 on the highlights vid
The use of VAR was terrible all day though - the "penalty" which was nothing of the sort, should be shown as a guide of what not to do - it's precisely the sort of nothing incident that VAR should steer clear of completely.
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Come for the wholesome coaching team celebration bit, secretly stay for Craig Levein.
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12 minutes ago, well fan for life said:
A few years ago people were booing Jamie Murphy and applauding Chris Cadden when they returned. My head nearly came off my shoulders.
I gave up booing returning players after The Derek Townsley Incident
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Great support up today - maybe a hint of positivity on the go after a fairly non-descript time last season.
Also - I'm going to get a Liam Gordon t-shirt, maybe a poster.
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Unsurprisingly - I enjoyed that today. At this point in the season, you look for a bit of progression and I think there is a big difference between us Vs Thistle or County and what we've seen over the past couple of weeks. I think we're miles from the finished article (we've not really clicked in attack yet) - but you can see a bit of a shape.
I thought we were incredibly comfortable for an away game - until the subs. I felt Levein got his changes spot on while I think we looked like we lost our shape when we made our initial subs. It definitely feels like we're a midfielder short in the squad, which feels odd given the cast of thousands we've now got.
Our set pieces have been incredible so far this season - It'll be back in the mists of time when we hitting so many good corners - and it's allowing us to try to bed in a forward line - and that sequence of corners at the death was a thing of beauty.
Saints seem to be lacking confidence - they went backwards quite often when they had already got past our midfield - looks like us during the LC groups.
VAR was ridiculous today - last week, you literally wouldn't have known it was switched on, today it was a genuine embarrassment. For the McGinn penalty thing, I thought the ref was watching a film - he must have watched the replay 50+ times, which is utterly farcical - it just can't be a clear error.
Anyway - our season is starting better than any of us would have hoped - time to pop the Dons' bubble next...
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7 hours ago, capt_oats said:
It was the next day (2nd September).
I've been busy all day and only just opened the thread and saw this with no context. f**k sake.
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26 minutes ago, Busta Nut said:
Know what? Get Blair Spittal back on loan fae Hearts. f**k it just ask.
Having seen Hearts twice in a few days - they look like they need all the help they can get.
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I'm kind of done with us signing injury prone players - but Ryan Jack *could* be a gamble worth taking as he would be nowhere near us otherwise - he would be a big upgrade...
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3 minutes ago, ropy said:
This is where I landed eventually, primary children need accompanied and high school kids should have the right to attend on their own (or with pals).
You could take it a step further and actively target younger high school kids via the schools themselves (in line with the WS strategy about targeting different parts of Lanarkshire) - make a positive out of the whole thing as we, like all clubs have an aging support and need to get younger folk into going..
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On the 12 & 13 year old thing (because that's what we're really talking about here) - these are high school age kids and that's where the cut off could/should be. High school kids understand fire drills and other safety stuff if that is the actual concern (rather than ground hopping paedophiles*) and by necessity, will already have a degree of autonomy that Primary school kids don't. It would seem a pretty fair "graduation" that when you go to high school, you can go to the fitba with your mates (it's also a great age to get them hooked on the actual games).
If you really had to be hard line about it, you could restrict unaccompanied S1-S3 to the Cooper stand, where it is a calmer environment and even give them a small section of their own with a couple of extra stewards. In other words, actively encourage boys and girls at that age rather than put barriers up.
*I would ban ground hoppers just in case, maybe a hard drive check too.
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14 minutes ago, capt_oats said:
It's not really the conversation you're having (or anyone else on the thread by the looks of things given it all seems to be about policy just now) but the Bailey Rice/Lennon Miller of it all came up as part of the conversation @craigkillie was having with Euan Taylor on the SFA report on player pathway that went up yesterday on The Terrace Patreon (free to view on YouTube anaw).
Full disclosure, I've not read the report but some of the themes covered on the pod sound familiar and it's interesting to hear it articulated there's a realisation that clubs are having to get young players in and around first teams earlier as it's becoming increasingly the case that if they're not in the first team picture by 18 then they're pretty much done for especially in the context that it doesn't seem that long ago that dropping an 18 year old into the first team picture was viewed as a risk.
In terms of that framing it's worth considering the Turnbull situation where he had been doing bits for the Dev team from 16 but ultimately Robinson was reluctant to chuck him into the starting XI because he wasn't satisfied that he met his demands in terms of "the free stuff". I've said it before but I'd be surprised if Lennon Miller would have been chucked in as he has been were Robinson still here (and that's not a knock on Robinson fwiw) and it's been interesting to see that's one of St Mirren's Academy players f**king off to Wolves now.
We obviously saw it with the likes of McAlear (Norwich) and McKinstry (Leeds) along with many others.
There's been a lot of discourse around Bailey Rice and *choices made* but It's a curious "what if" but in terms of the actual imperative of playing 16 year olds in the first team but again while you'd imagine he'd have seen more first team minutes than he has at Ibrox, hypothetically, "what if" Rice had stuck around at Fir Park along with Miller would we have had both in the first team (to the same extent that we've effectively set about building a team around Miller).
Clearly if you're in the fortunate position of having a handful of elite (for our level) players come through you'd hope that you'd find a way to integrate them but as I say if we're now looking at 16 year olds getting chucked in as opposed to say the 17/18 age range as it was when the likes of Turnbull and Campbell were eventually given their shot then it's a bold manager who makes that call.
I can't remember if it was Craigan or Mo Ross who was talking about the cycles as far as the Development team went and the gist was that it was felt like you were doing well if you managed to transition one or two into first team players from each development group.
But anyway, aye, that pod is an interesting listen...
I think putting players in younger is potentially less risky than it was due to the level of physical development work that's done now. In the past, if you dropped a 16-18 year old in, they tended to look like skinny wee boys and were eaten alive by older pro's - and it doesn't feel like that any more.
I'm sure that being physically strong or having a more athletic build is one of the key things that gets boys through the academy meat grinder to the point that they would even be considered for being on the fringes of the first team. For someone to be a Ryan Gauld type of build now - they would need to on another planet technically to avoid being unceremoniously dumped at a young age.
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I hope if we get loans in on deadline day as opposed to permanent deals, they aren't too good.
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SODs renaissance news
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Clay was an absolute archetypal low cost squad player. He wasn't a liability in any way just very limited. Had a great attitude and was a decent sort to have around the place...
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50 minutes ago, capt_oats said:
Just to chip in, an absolute treat to hear @thisGRAEME doing the Monday Terrace after scudding Hearts.
A lovely listen in the office this morning.
For some time, there's been a strong correlation of Motherwell Wins over Hearts and No Jambos on the Monday show afterwards. Disappointing.
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The last time round when Killie and Saints were clearly offering him way more than we could/would - I was a bit pissed off about it given it had only been a short time since he's been brilliant for us and we were crying out for a striker. This time round, I'm not bothered - mostly as time has moved on but also because I would hugely doubt that St Mirren would be getting anything like the player we enjoyed in his last season. That's not to say that he couldn't be decent - but I think it would be more first season than second.
Having both Moult and KVV kicking around at other teams would be weird though given how well thought of they both are...
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2 minutes ago, Desp said:
The Chasni pies though?
Had one for the first time yesterday
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15 minutes ago, DerekWatson said:
In recent weeks the club have issued 7 of these stadium bans to people who deny any wrongdoing, many of them haven’t even received a letter from the Police or the Procurator Fiscal to say they have been charged but the Police have said to the club they need to be banned. If the club don’t comply with this they may face a sanction from the SPFL.
Again, there are others who are awaiting court dates who the Police have not contacted the club to ban, so there is no consistent approach, again a big frustration for those involved. The club find themselves in a difficult position here, if they don’t ban them they could face a sanction but are they could be banning fans who have done absolutely nothing wrong because Police Scotland have said they need to.
Firstly - I understand that there are different thresholds for a company banning someone from their premises ("the management reserve the right to refuse admission" and all that) and actual criminal charges - so it's perfectly feasible that someone could be banned from Fir Park without any actual criminal wrongdoing (and with zero Police involvement).
However - that isn't what's happening here and if the above is taken at face value then it's sounds like overreach from the Police (not for the first time in Scottish Football). If the police can in effect arbitrarily ban individual supporters from individual grounds (as opposed to the formal Banning Order process), that is wide open to abuse & a lack of oversight/scrutiny. For example - what would stop a (entirely hypothetical) club employee having a wee chat with friendly match commander/former colleague and agree that a few "ringleaders" could be banned for the rest of the season for something minor that would never get to court? If there is no explicit criminal/legal process attached in every case - then there is presumably no formal comeback for those that are banned and no evidence standard that must be met.
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We've had a whole summer of talking endlessly about off field malarky - can we please try to keep things about what really matters? And what really matters at the moment was that glorious late tackle that Halliday got booked for yesterday.
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2 hours ago, Desp said:
I enjoyed my look at him, tbf.
The speed he left the pitch was hilarious - as was the level of cheering he was getting from the East Stand.
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We f**king love a win against Hearts at Fir Park - but I didn't see that coming. We played the perfect game against a team in the midst of a European tie and they simply weren't up for the battle (and the number of times we left one on them was noticeable and really enjoyable). Motherwell supporters recognise when we're on it - and the atmosphere was really positive today as a result.
Halliday deserves huge credit for putting in that sort of performance - I'd take 45 mins of that every week - as it set the tone at a critical part of the game. The renaissance of SOD is a great thing to watch - he looks much fitter and sharper and is on excellent form - he deserved his MOTM, even if I would have been tempted to give it to Wilson.
In the 5 mins before Hearts scored, we were looking a bit leggy and it was no surprise that they sliced us open during that spell - but it was short lived. Winner was most satisfying.
Watching Spittal today was a bit sad - why would you use a guy that must have been bursting with confidence like that - he posed zero threat from a deeper position.
I'm officially upgrading the start to the season to "no' bad"
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The main (only?) positive for us at this early stage has been a new found solidity at the back after last year's pish - interesting to see how that fares against a decent side (although we've already looked broadly fine against Killie and Rangers). Up front, I'd like to see last week's subs in from the start if possible although I would expect Kettlewell will be tempted to throw them on after the hour again. Midfield still a bin fire - don't expect any tears being shed in the away end for the loss of Halliday...
I assume players like Dhanda and Spittal were signed for precisely this sort of game where Hearts are coming off a Thursday in Europe - so we'll no doubt be seeing plenty of them. Spittal will remind us of the large hole he's left in our squad which doesn't look like being filled any time soon.
Not confident at all of a win here - a draw would be decent enough/manageable.
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It was a ridiculous goal - so frustrating that a winger of all people was offside. Halliday was great against Hearts and perfectly decent yesterday without hitting the heights.