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Who Ate The Pies?
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This farce has been comedy gold for so many of us. And they just keep it coming.
A few thoughts....
Many fans of other teams are taking particular pleasure from this not because a club is in distress, but because of the years of arrogance which those other clubs have suffered at the hands of Rangers and their fans. Were it Celtic which was in a similar predicament, the reaction would be pretty similar. The attitudes of many fans since the meltdown has done nothing to engender sympathy from other clubs. Some humility would have gone a long way - there was some evidence of it for a while, but I'm afraid that many have reverted to type and talk of Rangers' "rightful place" in the top tier just irritates fans of other clubs who see such a place as earned, not granted.
The continuing turmoil at the club is, in my opinion, the fault of the fans. Not directly - but by continuing unswerving support and loyalty with season ticket purchases, there is absolutely nothing to deter the money men from seeing the club as an opportunity to make a fast buck. The best thing that the fans could do would be to get refunds on their season tickets en masse, refuse to go to home games and force another administration. That would give them the opportunity to have a real clear-out at the top and to put in place people who had the interests of the club (not the company) at heart. It would be painful, perhaps returning to the third division or whatever it's called - and this time, it would be with players who were paid at third division wages. Winning SFL3 on £7m a year is a somewhat hollow victory.
The opportunity for radical surgery required to save Rangers was not grasped last year. The cure is now that bit more difficult and that bit more painful. However, I cannot see how RFC can find its way out of this turmoil any time soon.
And having absolute clowns like Traynor and Green involved really does the club no favours at all. McCoist, for all his perceived faults, loves his club. Smith walked away - but, to me, that speaks more of his integrity and love for Rangers than anything else. As chairman, he could do little else if he could not run his Board the way he wanted to.
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A painful reminder of some great footballers who played for RFC and how far the team has fallen from grace.
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Traynor is already showing his worth to all of us who are part of The Rangers Family.
I have a photo of his fat phisog (does anyone still use this word and
how does one spell it?) stuck on the door of my fridge as a warning to
my weans about too much snacking.
Fizzog, if my recollection of The Beezer is correct.
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Can't answer the question, You remind me of William Ulsterman
One has to ask where the GIFs which accompany your posts come from. They are often the only thing worth viewing on this topic.
Your DVD collection must be a revelation.
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Johnny, this prompts me to revive my December post about naming rights which I thought was quite witty but which nae c**t commented on.
http://www.pieandbov...dpost&p=6857052
Dear Mr Ashley
I've read recently that you're planning to buy the naming rights to Ibrox for a reported £1.5 Million a season. I'm a Rangers fan and welcome this. Now obviously you're not doing this out of altruism - but to get the Sports Direct name mentioned in the press, TV, radio and on-line. However, this is a scatter-gun approach to marketing and auld grannies who've never bought a pair of trainers in their puff.
May I suggest that you need to augment your sponsorship of Ibrox with a marketing approach that directly targets the very people who are likely to buy your merchandise. I, thus, have a proposition for you.
Pie and Bovril is Scotland's largest multi-team football discussion board and has over 20,000 registered members and at least as many people who view the site and the message boards without having registered.
The demographic fit with Sportsdirect is excellent - given that the majority of posters are aged 16-25. Many of them actively play sports and, thus, buy sports equipment. Almost all support a specific team and many buy replica shirts. Obviously all have some sort of internet access and are used to online transactions and purchases.
In other words the people who use P&B are the very people your company wants to sell to and you need, then, is a means of increasing brand awareness among P&B's constituents. Following the Ibrox model I am will to sell you the rights to my Pie and Bovril username for the modest sum of £150,000 a YEAR (messages boards don't have a close season).
In return I'm prepared to change my name to "SportsDirect.com Kincardine" and to use the SD logo in my avatar.
I believe this is the first such initiative in sports and internet history and will attract a great deal of publicity. Please contact me within 4 days or I'll take the idea to one of your competitors.
Yours etc
Maybe I should stop attempting humour
Maybe you should start.
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The Ibrox chief executive, who bought the club for £5.5m in June, is adamant the third division outfit will 'not play where they are not wanted'.
....Scotland....? (Just teasing)
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Out of interest (and referring to a post a few pages back) - Rangers International Football Club in Nigeria and with a pedigree that stretches back to the 1970s...can RIFC (UK) use that name?
One could be somewhat mischievous and suggest that, as the newer organisation, the Ibrox outfit should amend its name to avoid any prospect of confusion between the sides....
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We globally dominate the whole of The Clyde from Govan to Greenock. No other footballing brand in world football can make that claim.
On a footballing par with Salmond's Arc of Prosperity....
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BBC again recognise we are the same club
http://www.bbc.co.uk...otball/20581618
Rangers face the side who knocked them out of last season's tournament days before the Glasgow club went into administration.
It is the first time Rangers will have faced top-flight opposition in this tournament since becoming a Third Division club.
They defeated Motherwell in the Scottish Communities League Cup in their first meeting with SPL opposition this season before losing to Caley Thistle.
And yet, on another page......HMRC to appeal against ruling in Rangers 'Big Tax Case'
The old Rangers was under the control of Sir David Murray when it began using EBTs.
He sold the club for £1 to Scottish businessman Craig Whyte in 2011, while the tax liability was in dispute.
The FTT, before three judges, concluded in January, one month before the old Rangers, now under the control of Mr Whyte, was forced into administration by HMRC over non-payment of tax totalling about £14m.
HMRC subsequently rejected proposals for a creditors agreement that would have allowed the old club to continue.
Administrators Duff and Phelps then negotiated a sale of assets to a consortium led by Charles Green for £5.5m.
He has since formed a new club, now playing in the Scottish Football League Third Division.
Hope that helps.
ETA: Beaten to it by Bairnforever....
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Have to say, that, given the glee which some posters (and I include myself) viewed the potential outcome of the FTT, I have to allow the RFC fans their day in the sun.
It does raise some serious questions about the performance of HMRC in all of this. Given that, even without the FTT going against them, RFC had a massive debt problem and would have been highly unlikely to have avoided administration and liquidation. However, the absence of an adverse FTT outcome would have made the sale of RFC a very different proposition. HMRC has had 9 months to make its decision known and many fans will feel that the delay in publishing its findings has put the club in a much worse position than it might otherwise have been.
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I know every club has moron in their rank and file.
I would happily stick to the topic at hand. We both know the diddies and plastic will not and, therefore, it's fair game to respond in kind. As I'm sure a fair-minded man like you would surely agree.
Unless, of course, you too want to engage in the flying of double standards so popular on this thread. I'll gladly give you the benefit of the doubt - let's see how your appeal to the diddy clubbers and plastic goes when you suggest they stick to the topic at hand.
Good luck!
Calling other posters "diddies" and "plastics" doesn't help your argument....and the plea was to all posters, not just the "plastics and diddies"....
It would be interesting to find out how many pages the thread ran to if all the off-topic messages were stripped out.
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It's not a game, plastics really do have IRA lovers in their support who others must hide their day-job from and yet have the cheek to try and moralise to others.
Can you honestly guarantee that there are no terrorist-supporting elements within your own support? Wasn't that long ago that I saw a guy selling "Combat 18" mags outside a Rangers away game. He wasn't there at other weeks, and the RFC top was a bit of a giveaway. And we are all (well, those of us in the West of Scotland, anyway) familiar with the drunken neds sporting RFC tops following Orange parades and peeing in gardens.
I expect that every club has an element of "fans" of which it is ashamed but, being highly vocal, have a public profile which far exceeds their number in terms of the overall fanbase. Can we all agree that, within our own support, there are certain elements which are formed from the dregs of society and with whom we wish to have nothing to do, and get back to posting about the RFC admin/liquidation?
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Tax avoidance may be legal but a lot of people would consider it immoral. See recent stories about various multinational companies paying tuppence hapenny on UK profits of millions and being taken to task over it.
Morality does not equate to legality. UK tax legislation is sufficiently complex (UK tax legislation extends to c. 14,000 pages of close type) that there are bound to be loopholes which are exploitable by people with enough legal brainpower to develop clever schemes - think of directors' bonuses paid in fine wines, fine art etc to avoid NIC. HMRC will close the loopholes but, with so many pages, it's not surprising that sections of the legislation conflict with one another.
The issue with Rangers' use of EBTs was not the morailty of it, or the legality of the EBTs, but rather whether the EBTs had been operated in such a way as to allow non-payment of tax.
And any club - or company - which says that it would never try to minimise its tax bill is run by idiots.
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OOOOO ! look at you learning that tax avoidance killed your club & company and tax avoidance is still illegal Tedi.
I think it's evasion which is illegal, not avoidance.
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HMRC sat down with Whyte about the tax situation and an agreement of payment was reached but Rangers didn't keep up any of the payments in fact it was then there was a conscious effort not to pay any invoices.
The fault is not with HMRC who in good faith attempted to create a reasonable timeframe for payment of back taxes ( I think this included the Wee Tax Case). The fault was with Whyte and therefore the executives on the board who were aware of what was happening but did not go public
Whyte did know what he was doing but that only occurred due to the silence of others .
Can't accept that - RFC was already facing a huge tax bill and struggling to pay day-to-day taxes. As soon as the company fell behind with the new schedule, action should have been taken to recover the tax due. HMRC hasn't, in my opinion, handled this well at all.
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Who do you blame it on then
Lets take the non payment of PAYE that happened in the latter part of 2011 onwards, who was to blame?
I think that there is another issue here which hasn't been discussed. As RFC was facing a potentially ruinous tax bill of around £70m, why did HMRC see fit to allow them to run up day-to-day tax bills (PAYE and VAT) of around £20m over the course of a year?
I do the books for a local charity and if I'm ever even a few days late with PAYE and NIC, I get a reminder. I think that HMRC should explain their reasons for allowing a business which was already facing a crippling bill to run up higher debts.
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Chuckie Cheese c'mon down - the price is right
It looks like a shirt+tie+tank-top+replica shirt ensemble. That can't, surely, give much encouragement to potential investors....
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Can't find link.
Doesn't seem to matter though. Doesn't seem like this story is newsworthy.
Fixed link. It was more the point that Queen's Park is now seen as Rangers' Glasgow rivals....
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The BBC seems to have got the message (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20031931):
Rangers' 2-0 victory over Queen's Park on Saturday, when they leapfrogged their Glasgow rivals to go top of the league was watched by a crowd of 49,463.0 -
There is something fundamentally wrong with our legislation that allows a company to walk away (they DO do walking away if it's from their legal liabilities) and then, a few months later, don a new guise and go for a public flotation. The underlying business has, fundamentally, not changed.
What Green has done is what happens up and down the country, and I can recall many TV exposes about this situation, where companies have walked away from their debts and have set up, on the same premises and in the same trade, and all this is perfectly legal.
I hope that this whole sorry mess prompts action by the Government to review the ease with which companies can dodge their legal responsibilities and continue trading. This isn't a dig at TCFKARFC per se but a desire to see any rogue or dodgy companies face up to their debts, whoever they may be.
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If Germany had adopted the same attitude as Green and McCoist have with the EBTs and titles, their history books would record a glorious victory for the Wehrmacht.
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That's a silly rule.
Watching the OF flop in Europe is, and always has been, one of the finest pleasurses afforded by football.
One of the better jokes I heard after Rangers' last exit was that they were sponsored by EasyJet - in and out of Europe in under 3 hours....
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Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!
in Celtic v Rangers, Rangers v Celtic
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Why all the negativity?
He and his team has won every league they have played in. There isn't another club which can boast such a success rate.