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    Double Winning St Johnstone FC Thread

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    30 minutes ago, monkfish said:

    Based only on last season and ignoring the two year deal, would you count Considine a good signing?

    Around Christmas time I would have said yes, but the two red cards and some shakiness since then makes it more difficult.

    Suppose it's hard to say how the defense / dressing room would have performed without him too.

    Edit: I'd take big Joe back if he's not on silly money, solid player at this level. Agree Deas would be a better option though, if we could get him.

    Like you say first half of season was decent, but he is starting to make silly mistakes. I wouldn't be adverse to having him around the younger guys in the team though, but I'd prefer we found a new partner for Liam in defence. I agree that Deas would be a good addition. 

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    Double Winning St Johnstone FC Thread

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    41 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

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    McGlynn-ball CB in 21/22 (play 1,000,000 passes between your CBs every game), so think this seasons is probably more representative, and is closer to his Clyde data too.

    So aye, good 1v1 defender (maybe quick?) and good in the air. Seems well balanced and if you're only wanting a "meat and tatties" CB is probably able to step up as at least back up.

    A couple of Rovers mates rate him. Tall, strong, bit of a physical specimen. 

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    Double Winning St Johnstone FC Thread

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    31 minutes ago, Costanza said:

    He at least has previous experience of doing it so don't think this will be an issue at all.  He is ideally qualified to lead a top flight Scottish football club.  Roddy can back him up where required.

    If things on the pitch are not bad enough then have a look off it.  Grim.  

    Aye the clock is ticking to get all the behind the scenes stuff sorted. It's pretty messy. Hope they don't do anything half arsed and completely balls it up. 

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    Double Winning St Johnstone FC Thread

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    51 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said:

    Coyle leaving QP. Only way I could see it is if he has a another job lined up and I'd be very surprised if it's us (although not stunned) what do you reckon?  A glorious return?

    I would be surprised if he came back too, but you never know. QP played some good stuff - might see plenty goals for a change 😂

    Or he might be off to Dens.....

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    Double Winning St Johnstone FC Thread

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    2 hours ago, RandomGuy. said:

    Only logic i can find is he thinks its worth risking a 2v1 defensively until someone can recover so we have someone close to May up front.

    We cant attack at pace anyway really, even if Wright counters up the wing theres not going to be numbers in the box by the time he crosses it, so we'll be having a slow(ish) build up regardless.

    I think its the wrong way around though. Wright should be wide with the player on the left narrower if thats what he wants. Montgomery better suited to being on a flank alone than Brown, lets Wright be more effective too. Then you have the issue of who plays LCM to cover for that like MacPherson does at RCM?

    We need to play a back 4, a midfield 5, and a front 2, which obviously isnt possible, because of the players available. So whatever you do theres going to be problems.

    4-4-2 with Wotherspoon/Wright on the flanks and Kane/May up front feels the best option, to me, but if Wotherspoon/Kane cant play the drop off feels huge. 

    I agree 4-4-2 is a good option, but Spoony doesn't have the legs to play on the flank anymore, as much as that pains me to say. However, we don't have anyone else do we!

    Imagine us playing a system like this and actually employing wingers, to play in their correct position. 

    When we were linked with signing Forrest from Livi in January, that would have been a good signing in this system. However, CD was obviously going to shoehorn him into some random position, so made no sense.

    The thought of playing higher up the park with forward players pressing sounds like a dream. 

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    Double Winning St Johnstone FC Thread

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    It was just on the general contact us section of the page, unfortunately it's a send form so I can't actually fully remember what I had said.
    It was mainly along the lines of it was heartbreaking to see so much incredible work from Saints since being promoted just being pissed away.
    With the sales of McCann and Kerr we were given the football is a business, bottom line trumps all treatment, yet when it comes to a manager who is ruining the club, that's where we decide past achievements and tenure has to be respected. I know it's deeply unsavoury to hope someone becomes unemployed, but I'm pretty sure he'll get his contract paid up or paid until he finds a new job so there are levels to it.
    The thing that really brings me down, is that Saints are so much more than just a football club to me. I have no actual connection to Perth, I was born in Dumfries and lived there until a few years ago, I was taken to a game against Motherwell as a kid when visiting family and it just stuck with me, I didn't follow my Dad's lead and support Celtic, I loved the community feel and felt proud to be a very small part of it, feeling like I belong to something I enjoy and being able to get behind something with a group of passionate people every weekend is the best thing ever. I pointed out that I'm confident Saints fans aren't expecting 6-0 wins or for a manager to revolutionize the game, but we've always appreciated those who gave their all for the club and all I ever want is to turn up and have some kind of belief that my team is going to give it a go, and think they can win any game if they play well.
    It's really important to not go full rose-tinted glasses on TW, but he was a man I would go into battle for if he asked, his team did the same and I'm pretty sure we all appreciated every last drop of that. Some of his teams were miles less talented than what CD has had, but It's a hill I'll die on - at least there was a plan, at least I could see what he was trying to do. Of course it sometimes blew up in his face spectacularly, but he was trying to win games.
    Every last bit of that has gone under CD. We're now full of journeymen who'll be gone in two years, likely with us in the Championship. He'll be gone, the Kerr and McCann money wasted, there will be no long-term plan, it will likely take years to stabilise and build again. One thing to TW's credit was he usually had someone lined up to replace the veteran players, he deserves credit for the work he did bringing on the younger guys. CD would just ring Alan Preston and find out which other 33 year old is no longer good enough for Hibs or Aberdeen and we'll give them a final decent payday.
    I've never felt more disenfranchised supporting Saints, I noticed going to the Hibs game on the first day of the season there wasn't any excitement, it was part dread, part resignation and just part emptiness.
    We are going nowhere under CD. Hoping not to be the sh*ttest team isn't a form of ambition, and We just need to bite the bullet and get rid. Sure the board might see it as a waste of money, but so was Hector-Ingram, so was John Mahon if CD stays in charge.
    Yep, brilliant post. My story is pretty similar - I'm in Fife and Dad, Cowdenbeath supporter (!), took me along to Saints as he was invited by a client through work. I met Alex Totten, got a look around behind the scenes and that was it, just fell in love with the place. I'm so disappointed that the cup double heroics have just been pissed away and the whole match day Saturday just feels flat for me.

    Email address for Mr Flaherty is on staff profiles section of the website if anyone is interested BTW.
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    Double Winning St Johnstone FC Thread

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    Unless Steve Brown does an interview and has a pop about the support, I doubt we’ll ever know. It’s clear looking at the ticket page that numbers are well down (albeit it’s still relatively early and pay day is coming up). 
     
    I ended up buying one, not because I have any great desire to watch us right now.  I felt compelled to get my son his first season ticket, which he’ll be far too young to use anyway. Hoping Davidson proves me wrong and he can show more ambition and adaptability but I have zero expectation that will be the case. 
    I had a season ticket years ago but got one last year and took my 2 sons along for free as they're under 12.

    To be honest that's what swung it for me again this season. My older boy enjoyed it a lot and it's his last season of being a freebie, so we're going again this season with blind optimism that we'll batter teams and score a boat load!

    Although the football was crap most of the time I still enjoy going along for a day out with the boys.
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    Double Winning St Johnstone FC Thread

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    Goalkeepers

    Ross Sinclair - 2024

    Jack Wills - 2024 - 

    Craig Hepburn - 2023

     

    Defenders 

    James Brown - 2023

    Daniel Cleary - 2024 

    Liam Gordon - 2025

    John Mahon -2024

    Callum Booth - 2024

    Tony Gallacher - 2024

     

     

    Midfielders/wingers

    David Wotherspoon - 2023

    Max Kucheriavyi - 2024

    Charlie Gilmour -2023

    Cammy McPherson - 2024

    Ali Crawford -2024

    Melker Hallberg - 2023

    Cammy Ballantyne - 2024 

    Alex Ferguson - 2023  

    Bailey Pert - 2023

    Michael O’Halloran- 2023 

     

    Attackers

    Stevie May - 2023

    Chris Kane - 2023

    Eetu Vertainen - 2023

    Theo Bair - 2024

     

    Out of Contract

    Zander Clark, Elliot Parish, Shaun Rooney, Efe Ambrose, Jamie McCart, Liam Palmer, Sam Denham, Murray Davidson, Craig Bryson, Liam Craig, Jacob Butterfield, Spencer Moreland, Jordan Northcott, Callum Hendry, Nadir Ciftci, Jahmal Hector-Ingram, Taylor Steven 

     

    Loans Expired

    Glenn Middleton, Tom Sang 

    I make it that we already have 24 players signed up for next season, albeit some are youngsters. Twenty. Four. 

    The midfield is a huge concern already. The manager has lumbered us with so much shite that there isn’t really any wiggle room to improve, unless we end up with similar squad numbers to what we’ve ended this season with.  I’ll not go into the individuals but some of those players being here for another 2 years makes me want to greet. 
     

    4 signed strikers and Michael O’Halloran, 2 of whom never score, another two the manager doesn’t trust… and Michael O’Halloran. I’d be throwing Ciftci and Middleton’s wages - or a decent amount of them at least - to try and retain Hendry as that’s pretty grim otherwise too. 
     

    defence looks ok, desperately need a right wing back (if we’re persisting with this manager and therefore system) and probably more cover in the middle as well. 
     

    Goalies… we need better than Parish + kids. Parish don’t got no arms and the young lads are the future, but don’t think they’re the present. 
     

    in terms of the out of contract players, only ones I’d even entertain keeping are Clark, Rooney, Mccart, Davidson and Hendry. Liam leaves with his head held high and Bryson contributed towards the end of last season. The likes of Ciftci shouldn’t even be reporting for training at this point. He clearly can’t be arsed so get him out of the changing room. 
     

    most depressingly of all, 
     

     

    Callum Davidson - 2025. 
     

     

    what an absolute mess. 

    That's terrifying......
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    Double Winning St Johnstone FC Thread

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    Still hopeful Davidson turns it around and learns the lessons of this season and gets it right next time out.
    It’s been a shite disappointing season and everything has been below standard; the manager, the players, the recruitment. But if we survive then it’s a good opportunity to reflect on mistakes made and not make them again.
    Last season remains the greatest achievement by any team in the history of Scottish football, and still buys the manager leeway.
    If there’s little improvement by Christmas then it’s time make a decision.
     
    As much as I love the optimism I just can't see it happening. I don't think he can change. I'm happy to be proven wrong though.

    Having led away to both Galatasaray and LASK, this season has turned into the pits. I'm worried a Charlie Adam inspired Dee catch us as well. That would just cap it all off.
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