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3 hours ago, AJF said:
Celtic got a pretty similar penalty awarded for them against Hearts when Kyogo threw his leg across the front of the defender without trying to play the ball and initiated contact. So there is precedent there for that type of challenge being a penalty.
I'm not convinced that you have an understanding of the word 'precedent'. Previous penalty awards, or any other decision made on a football pitch, don't set precedents.
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In terms of fan experience, something that I would like to see change is the attitude of clubs in relation to visiting supporters.
Four of us travelled to Airdrie yesterday, along with another 500/600 Ayr United fans. We spent money on transport, match tickets, food and drink. We settled down to enjoy the match from behind the goals, because the stand opposite the Airdrie support and running across the side of the pitch is totally closed. The stadium announcer gave a wonderful testimonial to the career of Ian McMillan and a minute's silence was impeccably observed by both sets of supporters.
As the game progressed the announcer kept us informed about the scorers for Airdrie and the Airdrie substitutions. Apparently, Ayr United didn't score any goals and made no substitutions because I assume the announcer would have let us know if any of these things had happened. Having said that, I'm almost certain that Ayr scored three goals and they definitely made quite a few substitutions.
On leaving the stadium we were prevented from returning to our car by a line of stewards and one explained that we would need to walk around the entire stadium to get back to our car. Meanwhile Airdrie supporters were allowed to walk in the opposite direction, so there was no segregation issue.
Forgive my cynicism and sarcasm but;
Why do home sides insist on treating paying customers as an inconvenience ?
Is it too much to ask that visiting fans are seated in an area that is best suited to watching the match ?
What is the reason for disregarding information about the contribution of the away team to the match ?
Are they content in the knowledge that any neutral spectators were left in the dark about 50% of the match information ?
I do understand the tribalism that exists in football; championing your own team whilst showing contempt for the opposition. However, people pay good money to attend matches and adopting the stance that Airdrie FC did yesterday, in deliberately disregarding the provision of information for Ayr United supporters and neutral spectators, makes them look deliberately unfriendly, petty, and lacking class.
I should point out that Airdrie are not the only 'offenders' when it comes to fan experience. I've experienced the same at many grounds and for all I know maybe some people have been subjected to an unfriendly reception at Somerset Park. The point is that most of this nonsense is unnecessary and maybe fans and supporters' groups need to start speaking up about this for the benefit of supporters of all teams.
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36 minutes ago, Trogdor said:
I've missed your defence of referees. Good to have you back.
I must concede, that has become increasingly difficult.
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22 minutes ago, Trogdor said:
Is that you Gerry?
Outed again...what a life !
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4 hours ago, Thumper said:
There were people who thought that criticising Roberts when he wasn't quite in the League Two relegation slots was unbelievably selfish and arrogant. One of them even wrote a book about that season. My brother gave it to me the following Christmas. It has remained unread.
Just to clarify a couple of points in your post;
- I wrote the book you refer to in the season that Ayr United finished in a promotion play-off spot.
- At no point did I say that I thought that criticising Mark Roberts "...was unbelievably selfish and arrogant".
- I'm not convinced that anyone expressed these thoughts. However, if they did, I'm not "one of them"
Apart from these points, I would say that your post is pretty accurate.
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2 hours ago, GuyIncognito said:
Anyone else hearing of a protest at kickoff of the Partick game? Was posted on Facebook, supposed to be flares with Bullen out banners as the teams come out.
What do they expect to achieve by reverting to 1970s fashion ?
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Week 1: Queen of the South
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2 hours ago, Nightmare said:
A couple of things worth responding to here.
Firstly, Jacqui Low never put a single penny into Partick Thistle. Her M.O. was finding someone else who would invest the money while she could take the credit for it. Which is why she cosied up to Colin Weir in the first place; because he had a bottomless pit of money that she could exploit for her own gains.
Second point which I've bolded is perhaps more important to clarify. It was the "wealthy individual owner route" which has left Thistle in this mess - which the fan-owned enterprise is now in the process of having to clean up. It's thanks to two accountants on the Jags Foundation board that the club have stopped hemorrhaging money.
A wealthy individual owner can be fine if they care about the club. You know all about that at Ayr. But if you get one who doesn't, then the shit can really hit the fan if they get bored, are poorly advised or just have no idea what they're doing.
Football is so unfair. Support the team through thick and thin but it's always the fan that gets hit with the shit.
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On 23/03/2023 at 12:33, TxRover said:
Who is best equipped for promotion…no one. That’s the basic problem with fitba, isn’t it. The Premiership is designed like a very nice club, with all the members eager for the occasional new member to drain dry and discard. It’s like a sleigh-load of people rushing through the woods being chased by wolves, they have to toss someone off now and then to lighten the load and slow the wolves down…then they get a little breathing room and someone new parachutes onto the back, slowing them down again. At that point, the new arrival has to fight their way forward to survive and push another off the back. On the whole, you might argue for Dundee, as the best of a load of bad choices.
Queen’s can’t be best equipped because their home ground is the most spectacular clusterf**k since Operation Barbarossa.
Dundee can be questioned as the best equipped because of a yo-yo propensity, indicative of a club management scheme that is dysfunctional.
Ayr’s stumbling efforts of recent times raise questions of management and ownership commitment.
Partick are still in the middle of whatever the hell is going on with their management and ownership structure.
Morton are now “fan owned”, and unlikely to have the necessary resources.
Raith are in what seems to be their traditional ownership waffle with financial concerns.
ICT are reputed to make Raith, at least financially, look stable and secure.
Cove have proven they are probably not ready for the Championship, let alone the Premiership.
Arbroath’s team has aged out, and the rebuild isn’t going to plan.
The Accies have management that makes the incompetence at SVB look positively good by comparison, and appear on a trajectory for the Lowland a league.
Just glanced at the Ayr United comment. I'm not sure what your comments are based on.
Ownership commitment: The owner has taken the club forward in great strides, building a new hub, following up with a new stand, created new positions of Managing Director and Recruitment (Officer), has opened up excellent communications with fans.
Management Commitment: Lee Bullen has left his comfortable youth coaching role at Sheffield Wednesday to accept the challenge of football Manager at Ayr United, coming to Ayr, with his family still in Yorkshire. He has gone all-in with his attempt to improve his team who currently lie third in the table and pays great attention to the youth academy and community sections of the club.
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6 hours ago, edinburghhonestman said:
Still feeling pretty scunnered by Monday night but I'm old enough that this doesn't feel quite as bad as losing the Scottish Cup semi to Rangers in 72-73 or the League Cup semi to Dundee in 80-81. We suffered some poor refereeing decisions in both and the latter in particular is probably the most miserable I've ever been after a game.
Both games gut-wrenching. Alex Ingram's first minute goal given offside when clearly onside and a waterlogged pitch that worked against the ball-playing team and suited the big bruisers. As for the Dundee game, our best ever chance of going on to win a national trophy. Can't feel worse than I did up at Falkirk ? I do now.
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1 hour ago, Finlay21 said:
Our media team have lost a couple of really good people this season and it shows , don’t believe we have anyone producing the highlights and are possibly using some of our match analysts footage
Cannot understand why Wuffster is not still doing his excellent work for the club.
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At 2-1 they were begging to be beaten. A team and Manager who have no belief and are terrified of the opposition.
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1 hour ago, Merkland Red said:
Aye. Juggling the wall was a bit of a give away.
In my opinion, juggling the wall shouldn't be a penalty.
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Just now, DeeTillEhDeh said:
Tombola out again.
Fundraising ?
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1 hour ago, wuffster said:
I'm not involved anymore (offered my services as usual, club not interested). Games now filmed by same people who do match commentary and interviews so... who knows? It's a real shame that Ayr don't provide highlights comparable to our peers (and clubs in leagues below) - particularly when we are doing so well.
Of course, any criticism from me will be put down as sour grapes so I'm best keeping quiet. 16 years was a good run for me and lots of fun times.
Old Ayr United Highlights Channel
is defunct. I've offered to move control of it to the Club in several meetings - again no interest. I've simply kept it up because it would be churlish to do anything else.
is where the current interviews etc. appear.
It's baffling that the club are not interested in the service you provided, Wuffster. You've done a great job over the years and I would have thought that, with the club looking much more progressive in their approach, they would have valued your work greatly. I wonder if anyone at the club would be willing to explain this. I mean, are they sure they don't want this contribution or is it maybe a misunderstanding ?
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I don’t get all the fuss about the Celtic fans’ banner. Surely they can show their disapproval of a Netflix series without action being taken by UEFA.
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Where would you be without Ayr United players ?
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6 minutes ago, The Ghost of B A R P said:
Yes, home clubs are quite clearly tasked with managing their events (which is exactly why Morton are doing what they’re doing tomorrow)… and away fans are tasked with learning to behave themselves if they want nice things.
Morton don’t discriminate against away fans, btw… they’ve treated their own fans badly (I.e. complacently) over many years. We agree this has to improve across the board; the unnecessary bleating on this thread and some of the selective arguments won’t help that, which is a point I and others have already made.
I'm still waiting for the example of my tribal 'bollocks'. The main thrust of my point throughout this debate has been that supporters of all of our clubs are treated badly. Instead of trying to score cheap points over our rivals, we would be better employed in trying to make it better for all of us. That means calling out our own clubs when they treat away fans badly. When away fans come to Somerset, they should be given the choice of the west stand, Railway end or the away section of the North terracing. If it costs more money, too bad. They've paid good money to be treated properly. Instead of Morton forcing Ayr fans into the end of the main stand, they should organise their ground with a view to assisting away fans in having a good experience. My God, both clubs have plenty of room. The costs they incur in doing this is the price they pay for offering this form of entertainment. I can't see what's sanctimonious about standing up for ourselves.
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1 hour ago, The Ghost of B A R P said:
Aye, it’s definitely Morton’s fault if Ayr/Falkirk/Partick pile onto the pitch for absolutely no fuckin reason whatsoever.
You’ve made your point about Scottish football clubs, Morton included, being terrible at encouraging paying customers and most of us agree; but now you’re just indulging in the same kind of ‘tribal’ bollocks you claim to want to get past, with a dose of sanctimonious pish thrown in for good measure.
I’ve just e-mailed Cappielow to insist that Ayr are behind the goal tomorrow, btw; a casual glance at the weather forecast played no part in my thought process…
My point in this post is about the way most clubs, including Ayr United, treat away supporters with contempt. Try reading this again and point out where I indulged in tribal 'bollocks'. If Morton are the home club it is their fault. If Ayr are the home club it's their fault. The fact is that, whether you like it or not, home club are tasked with managing their event.
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2 minutes ago, WATTOO said:
I think the point that some are missing here is that the clubs are supposed to be ATTRACTING the fans and NEED their £22 (or whatever it is they charge).
Ultimately if you treat your customers with utter contempt then you will very soon find yourself going out of business.......
Apparently not, Wattoo. They've been treating us like this for decades and we've just been putting up with it.
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I apologise for that 'virginton' reference in my post. I didn't type that, it somehow autocorrected my post. I'm not interested in that kind of name-calling nonsense.
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20 minutes ago, virginton said:
Or instead of doing all this, they could just punt the away fans in an alternative area where pitch invasions will not happen. Problem solved.
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Surprise, surprise. virginton reverts to attempts at being a smart ass to deflect from his inability to engage in sensible debate. Quick VT, get another red dot in before they run out.
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59 minutes ago, virginton said:
And who should pay for dealing with this issue and the additional costs of hiring stewards every two metres because football fans have proven that they can't regulate their own behaviour?
The staffing requirements for a match are the responsibility of the home club. The costs, additional or not are also the responsibility of the home club. Should the home club find it too difficult to deal with the issue of pitch invasions, they would be well advised to seek advice from the police. Liaison with the security adviser of the away club would also help in identifying transgressors to ensure that appropriate action is taken to deal with them and eradicate the problem. If the home club are unable to deal with this, perhaps they shouldn't be running a football club.
Most clubs have shied away from having police deployed at matches because of the costs. Instead, they pay a pittance to stewards who are not equipped to deal with pitch invasions.
Unfortunately, some supporters adopt tribal allegiances to respond to the problem. I would suggest that you have a preference for punishing 500 people for the actions of a few people, especially if Morton are the home club, due to that narrow mindset.
My opinion is not an attack on Morton. I just believe that spectators at away games are treated with contempt. Sadly, some fans are so caught up in their tribal allegiances that they ignore the main issue to focus on the opportunity to have a go at their rivals.
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1 hour ago, Richey Edwards said:
Thanks, Richey.
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Semi Final: Aberdeen vs Celtic
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...and that's the problem; A subjective decision by a referee or VAR couldn't possibly be considered a precedent as no decision is taken account of when a subsequent decision is to be made. That's why the introduction of the VAR system is an utter failure. Rather than eliminating or even reducing controversy, it has merely added another layer of subjectivity.