[What is the point of labour ?]

2 minutes ago, BawWatchin said:

It is not we who insulteth them, but the propagana weapons in their homes controled by large corporations, in which they believe every utterance from.

You're insulting them right there.

[Drug deaths in Scotland hit record high]

1 minute ago, renton said:

That's asinine in the extreme.

Addiction is primarily a health issue and within reason should be treated as such. People take drugs for a number of reasons, not least because of despair and social isolation. If you don't give people a way out, if you don't give them a reason to engage with society then don't be surprised when they keep digging deeper into that addiction. Some addicts will of course graduate into more and more serious crimes, most will end up in a cycle of petty crime and dependency. There is no one policy that can allieviate the issue in the entirety of the addict population, but we can help a lot more of them than we do, and that starts with stopping punishing them.

Some people in society are more vulnerable for whatever reason, some people in society will always need more attention, more resources applied to them to allow them to achieve a modicum of normality. It's the price we pay for a civilised society. 

We can reduce crimes from addiction, and we can reduce deaths due to addictions, but we won't do it by chucking them endlessly through the criminal justice system.

People are responsible for their own actions. Sometimes those actions have painful consequences. That's tough.

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Just now, ayrmad said:

Are you fucking joking, that's why we're in this mess.

No, we're in this mess because people take drugs.

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This poor victim. Obviously it isn't his fault he's a junkie and a thief. How can we help him?

 

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Just now, The Moonster said:

Your solution is to continue with the current policy that is failing massively then. We'll end it there.

No, not really.

Just now, Dons_1988 said:

Sounds like your groundbreaking technique is to do everything that we're already doing, just do it better.

It's basic stuff. But it needs to be done better.

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1 minute ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

Did a "junkie" mug you?

Not successfully.

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3 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

How do you do that? Pretty sure we make our best efforts to stop people using drugs now, yet still thousands end up using. Tell me what you'd change.

 

 

Better education. More police resources. Better intelligence. Stronger penalties for supplying and using. Stronger penalties for drugs-related crime.

All basic stuff but anathema to some.

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Just now, The Moonster said:

If that's what I was advocating I'd be wrong, but I'm not. Plenty studies out there that show helping junkies out of the environment that got them in that hole and giving them opportunities to re-engage with society helps get people out of addiction though.

You want a junkie free society but you don't want to do anything to help junkies stop being junkies. Tell me how we end up junkie free in your world?

 

We do everything we can to stop people becoming junkies.

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7 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

Could you point me to the studies which show that leaving people to "help themselves" is the best way of ending drug addiction?

Weird that you want to end "crimes carried out by junkies" but you don't want to do anything to reduce the number of junkies, thus lowering the number of crimes carried out. Is it just the fact that you don't want your tax paying for that? Because your tax pays for worse things than that, such as the wages of 330 Tory MPs.

Can you point me to the studies which show that encouraging people to become junkies is the best way of ending drug addiction?

I've already told you that I want a junkie-free society so how you can say that I don't want to do anything to reduce the number of junkies is beyond me.

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4 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said:

 

Which other vulnerable members of society should we just leave to get on with it?

 

Junkies aren't vulnerable members of society. 

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1 minute ago, The Moonster said:

You're all for stopping people becoming junkies, but you're not for helping the ones who currently are junkies? Very weird stance.

I think they should get the same support as victims of non-junkies crimes 

The ones who are junkies are responsible for helping themselves. 

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Just now, The Moonster said:

I haven't once said they didn't make a choice, but some poor c**t who's just lost his mother or father in a car crash may well not be in the best frame of mind when they make certain choices. Of course they need to deal with the consequences, but I don't see why they shouldn't be offered support when doing so. Every single junkie isn't someone who just got up one day and decided they were going to be a junkie. 

What I find the strangest is that folk who hate junkies (and a lot of folk really hate junkies) would rather leave junkies being junkies, rather than helping them and trying to stop more people being junkies. 

I'm all for stopping more people becoming junkies. Ideally we'd be junkie-free. 

What support would you give people who are the victims of junkies' crimes?

 

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1 minute ago, oneteaminglasgow said:

 

People don’t wake up one morning with everything in their life perfectly fine and think “I’ll get addicted to heroin today I reckon.”

 

Yes, people make these choices, but a myriad of things lead to these choices. Personal accountability is one thing and to an extent, yes people have to deal with the consequences, but as a society we have (or at least should have) an obligation to protect the most vulnerable people within it, and that definitely includes drug users. Individuals dealing with the consequences of their actions doesn’t, in my view, mean that the rest of us shouldn’t play any part in dealing with the problem.

Do the victims of crimes committed by drug users enter into your thoughts at all? 

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13 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

 People have incredibly horrible things happen throughout their lives that drives them to this stuff. 

Enough of this nonsense. People choose to take this stuff. They are responsible for that and the consequences. 

[What is the point of labour ?]

9 minutes ago, Arsenal till I die said:

To stop these things being undone, for starters. Although consolidation on its own doesn't work. As the old saying goes, "the less left wing the Labour government, the more right wing the next Tory government". 

Anyway, if there's no point in socialism does that mean there's no point to the SNP? Sod it I'm gonna skip the answer and answer it already - if there's no point in socialism is there a point in independence?

Neither of your questions make sense. The point of the SNP is to deliver independence. The point of independence is independence. Socialism, or not, is irrelevant.

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1 minute ago, Moomintroll said:

Will leave you to your mission to get emptied then, hopefully the mods will also remove the obvious alias that just commented there as well.

Silence from the sanctimonious would be appreciated. 

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1 minute ago, throbber said:

 

Bet your mrs left you for a down and out heroin addict because he had bigger muscles, better teeth, more money and a nicer house than you you disgusting piece of shit.

 

Yes, that must be it. He was also more sanctimonious than me. Don't forget that.

Just now, Moomintroll said:

I have no idea what your issue is but you have been acting like a complete c**t on this thread, even after a load of posts were deleted you still cannot let it go. Time to step away for a bit before you get emptied, have never seen you post with such vitriol so clearly something about this pisses you off. I have no idea who that Nigel is but he didn't deserve what you were posting the other day.

It's buy one get one free at sanctimony club today.

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2 minutes ago, throbber said:

 

I hate to think what level of degenerate loser you are in life to provoke that sort of reaction towards strangers on the internet anyway.

 

More sanctimony. Well done.

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1 minute ago, throbber said:

 

Sanctimonious for pointing out you that are a c**t for deliberately antagonising a poster who’s nephew died of a drug overdose? Okay son.

 

You're making my heart bleed. Go away.

And it's whose, not who's.

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3 minutes ago, throbber said:

 

Hardly sanctimonious, your posts were a complete disgrace. No idea why someone you presumably have never met deserved that sort of comment from you.

 

Denies being sanctimonious...is sanctimonious.

Go away.

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3 hours ago, throbber said:

 

You should have been emptied for your content last night so shut the f**k up you screwball.

 

Go and be a sanctimonious fool elsewhere.

[Drug deaths in Scotland hit record high]

3 minutes ago, Cerberus said:

Up and down the entire UK.
The fact that England are clearly dealing with the fall out of the exact same situation far better than Scotland is the fault of those at Holyrood.

Dribble.

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1 minute ago, johnnydun said:

I am not an idiot. 

 

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1 minute ago, johnnydun said:

You're a Fermer. Same thing.

You're not only an idiot but lost. Go away.

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1 minute ago, Bigmouth Strikes Again said:

Montrose.

You're a racist. Go away.