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2 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said:
Indeed. The DDR joined West Germany despite not complying with any of the EU criteria whatsoever.
Thatcher was furious about this.
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Just now, Baxter Parp said:
Well, not really. Slovakia and the Czech Republic split but didn't resolve every issue until years after the fact.
The UK and Ireland were still negotiating minor details in the 1950's.
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53 minutes ago, jamamafegan said:
The club don’t care about releasing fashionable kits,
Good. It's just a shame they don't care about releasing well-designed high quality royal blue kits either.
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3 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:
Then make that part of any future independence ballot. You won't though.
Keep banging that drum.
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1 minute ago, The_Kincardine said:
I think it was closer to a century.
You know nothing of history. Quelle surprise.
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Just now, welshbairn said:
If you're recommending a hard border with England you can forget about winning a referendum.
Oh FFS. Which open border is your poisonous chicken going to be crossing?
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Just now, The_Kincardine said:
Except we have the experience of Brexit to call upon and we all know how that turned septic If any future independence campaign is precursored of shite like, "EU accession will be easy" then it will founder, just as the last one did.
Brexit isn't relevant.
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For information, Sweden, which had never been in the EU, applied to join on 1 July 1991 and became a member on 1 January 1995, 3 1/2 years later.
A country which has been in the EU for 46 years and which meets all entry requirements will have a far shorter negotiating period.
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3 minutes ago, welshbairn said:
The EU demands a stable financial system.
What happens if we have chlorinated chicken flowing through an open border to our food processing plants preparing tasty meals for export to the EU?
Which open border?
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1 minute ago, This time Perthshirebell said:
No you typed 4 lines suggesting ( without any evidence ) why it would take Scotland more than 1/2 a decade to divorce the UK. You then go onto suggest it will take between 0-3 years (or more) for Scotland to rejoin the EU. Just wondering your evidence for this? Or did you just make it up?
The latter.
Just now, welshbairn said:If you accept that then you know that a timetable can't be set while the rUK settlement is unknown.
Nope. The rUK settlement is irrelevant.
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3 minutes ago, welshbairn said:
Our financial settlement will have to be resolved, as will our trading arrangements. Apart from that we're good to go.
The financial settlement will have to be resolved. But this has nothing to do with the EU.
Our trading arrangements will be as per the EU.
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3 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:
If there is a future ballot (and that's unanswered) but let's be optimistic:
2022 - Ballot for Scotland's divorce from rUK and assuming an outcome in favour of the Yessers:
2022 - 24 Negotiation over divorce settlement between New Scotland and rUK.
2025-27 Transition period for New Scotland and rUK to implement divorce plans
2028 - Application for New Scotland to join the EU
2028 to at least 2031 - due diligence from the EU to ensure New Scotland meets accession criteria.How's that?
Hilariously funny.
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5 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:
Then make it part of any future ballot. I'd welcome it. You won't, though.
As an irrelevant foreigner what you'd welcome is entirely irrelevant.
2 minutes ago, welshbairn said:It's contingent on an amicable and mutually beneficial settlement with the rUK
No. The two aren't connected.
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1 minute ago, The_Kincardine said:
On balance I'd probably be more comfortable living in Scotland within the EU than in England outside of The EU so I don't really have much skin in this game.
BUT when he read things like, "Scotland will have an " extremely short process of joining the EU"" then you know posters are talking shit.
Can you provide evidence that "posters are talking shit"?
(Hint: no)
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1 minute ago, The_Kincardine said:
Then make it part of any possible future separation ballot. Thus, "we want to divorce rUK and marry the EU and here is the timeline and the terms".
You won't because you can't. That Scotland can rapidly join The EU with consummate ease is nothing but hogwash.
You've done this nonsense. On umpteen occasions. Give it a rest.
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2 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:
Idiotic post - again.
There is no evidence that Scotland will have an " extremely short process of joining the EU".
Irrelevant foreigner in "talking pish" shock. Again.
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4 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:
There is simply no evidence that this will be the case.
Yoons will leave no straw knowingly unclutched.
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2 minutes ago, oaksoft said:
I gave you several facts but don't worry about responding to them because I'm not interested in debating with someone like you.
Go and talk to other people. We are done here.
Of course you aren't interested in debating.
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6 minutes ago, oaksoft said:
My point is, you've been presented with a specific couple of arguments about Labour and conditions in the 1970s.
Responding with the single word "Nonsense" or responding by saying "read this book" is not a grown up way of dealing with someone else's argument.
I'm not interested in your fantasies. I am interested in facts.
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2 minutes ago, oaksoft said:
I don't need to.
I actually lived through it.
As did I. Your point is?
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5 minutes ago, sophia said:
I wish you'd make up your mind as I'm rather perplexed .... oh I see, you're bar for competence is a Westminster one and I'm sure we're all agreed that that is a very low threshold indeed.
Competence is relative.
3 minutes ago, oaksoft said:Yeah, the 70's were so good and Labour were so competent that it took them the arse end of 20 years to be voted back into power again despite Thatcher being in charge. Labour have only been in power for about 13 of the 40 years which have passed since 1979 and you'd be brave to put money on them getting back into power for the forseeable future.
Rose-tinted glasses are one thing but trying to re-write history simply isn't on.
I'm not the one trying to rewrite history here.
Dominic Sandbrook's written a couple of very good books on the 70's. Read them and come back to me.
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5 minutes ago, sophia said:
So we're all agreed that the Labour government was incompetent then?
No. They were rather more competent than the preceding or succeeding Conservative governments.
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1 hour ago, Baxter Parp said:1 hour ago, sophia said:That's not my recollection.
Dennis Healey had to go to the IMF to get enough cash to pay the bills.
The narrative was that he had to get a bail-out was scandalous and humiliating.
The internecine war in the Labour Party was never ending and whilst they were fighting, the country was a shambles.
Just as well things have changed!
The loan was 1.7bn and it was repaid by 1979. It was needed primarily because they couldn't get a public expenditure bill through the commons. The narrative was set by the newspapers.
The irony is that the loan wasn't needed. The government's accounts were in a complete mess and when they were sorted out they discovered they were in a healthier position than they'd thought.
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19 minutes ago, MixuFixit said:
Oooh
He's a lawyer. You would think he would know the law...
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When will indyref2 happen?
in The Politics Forum
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If we don't get an acceptable deal (which is completely implausible but I'll humour you) then we leave the UK without a deal.
And no debt.