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Is this the first run out for the best Celtic first eleven? Have to be confident, given a worse Celtic team were pretty unlucky to lose the last game at Ibrox.
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This is some hilarious irony, right here. The Rangers fans' idiotic insistence that the Oldco didn't benefit from multi-million pound cheating is actually taking most of the heat off Dave King for the Newco's financially catastrophic European exit.
That is, their desperation to retain the trophies they scammed in the past is actively helping to prevent them from winning any competitions in the future.
it's Darwinism in action, right here on the football forum.
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3 minutes ago, BobWilliamson said:
Pretty sure we've had that. They found there was no sporting advantage.
I don't think anyone in Scotland really believes that's true, not even you.
To be fair though, everyone in Scotland readily accepts that the Newco has no sporting advantage.
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3 minutes ago, BobWilliamson said:
What part of no sporting advantage are you struggling with?
If it's so obvious that Rangers didn't cheat, you'd think their fans would want some kind of overarching inquiry, if only to confirm that they didn't cheat once and for all.
But they're not keen on the idea, for some strange reason. Very odd, that.
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Is the The Kincardine who is repeatedly insisting that LNS found Rangers guilty the same The Kincardine who responded to the LNS verdict by repeatedly insisting LNS had only found Rangers guilty of "administrative errors"?
I'll say this for the "moon howlers": you get the same exaggeration and over-excitement you do on most online forums, but their position has been fairly consistent since the Rangers cheating story broke.
The Newco fans though, they've been all over the place for years, desperate flailing. The only consistent position they've held is their utter refusal to look reality in the eye.
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God, check out the excitement on the Rangers fans. They never learn. Going by the glaring tactical ineptitude of last season's performances, it's clear that giving Pedro a better team is like giving a gorilla a knife and fork.
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So to sum up, the Rangers fans really, really don't like being reminded that their new club is a new club.
Fascinating information, I'm sure nobody will use this knowledge to wind them up in future, on a daily or hourly basis.
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6 minutes ago, The Tedi said:
You would have decide for yourself, based on the above you support Dundee FC Mk2.
Your original club Dundee Football Athletic Club went into liquidation on the 17th December 1898, you support a new company now, 'liquidation is liquidation' after all.
Not sure how upset Dundee fans are going to be about an insolvency event from almost 120 years ago m8
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18 minutes ago, Forever_blueco said:
What on earth are you talking about ? Their was a media frenzy . It had little to no bearing on what happened with us though . The reality being the difference between this and Bradford Bulls as I said is that rugby is a lot less hostile and bitter filled as football . My guess is There won't be any "sell out Saturday's" or "strip the titles" from the opposition in the rugby league or any "sink us and we will sink you" from Bradford Bulls fans .
Of course there was a media frenzy, ya daftie. That's what tends to happen when people learn that one of the largest clubs in the country's most popular sport has spent ten years cheating; has deliberately covered it up and is about to go bankrupt & die. Exactly the same thing would happen if it was Celtic or Chelsea or Real Madrid.
The point is that the media sensation is a reaction, not the action itself. Most people don't have to be instructed to be angry about being scammed, because they can see it for themselves. If you crap on my rug, I don't need the Daily Record to tell me whether it stinks.
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It's a strange world that the Rangers fans live in, really.
Maybe there are people who, without encouragement from the press, would look at what happened at Ibrox and think: Perhaps that was all perfectly legit.
I do like the idea that the papers and the evil bloggers "whipped people into a frenzy", as if less sensational reporting would've meant everyone would've been quite happy to learn Rangers had been cheating for ten years and were attempting to walk away from their bad debts. As if everyone would've looked at the liquidation of the club and the sale of its assets and said, Yes, that is a club that is alive and kicking and is in no way defunct.
It's a bit like that mental Vangaurd Bears piece the other day, in which the author watched Celtic stroll to three easy wins against Rangers and concluded that it was the media's fault, for being overly nationalist and irish.
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Very much enjoying the new season of The Rangers Saga. I thought the writers lost it a bit last year - a bit so-so and humdrum - but that explosive finale at Hampden, this year's comedy performances and the whole Barton sub-plot has proven that there's years of hilarity left in the show.
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It's naive to assume that Rangers have lost the head here. As mental as their statement is, it was written by professional public relations hacks. They know exactly what they're doing.
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Cynically, if I was on Rangers' PR team and I was quite shameless, I'd be saying anything to get "We are the victims" onto the front pages before the cops and the SFA start reviewing videos and handing out fines.
It puts pressure on the authorities to make an example of Hibs and to go easy on Rangers, regardless of what the evidence actually shows. When the beaks hand down thumping fines to both teams, as they will surely have to after looking at the videos of who was attacking whom, then the fun will really start.
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No, it really doesn't. It simply demonstrates that several opposition parties have been posturing on the issue without putting forward a single credible measure of their own. And then claim that all of their elected representatives will hold and vote the same way on a non-partisan issue, which is the behaviour that they've been screeching about with regard to SNP representatives since 2011.
So posturing and hypocrisy it is then.
That's quite an impressively mental way of looking at it, mate. No doubt loads of them are hypocritical posturers, but not everything that happens in the Parliament is a maniacal quest to annoy the Scottish National Party.
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Loving the fact btw that the also-rans have spent the last five years telling anyone who'd listen that SNP representatives at Holyrood and Westminster were effectively a form of insidious cult for voting the same way on policy issues: only for every single opposition member of the 2016 Parliament to magically hold the same level of concern over the Act.
The fact that there's broad agreement right across the political spectrum suggests quite strongly that there's a problem with the law, and a need to make changes.
I'm not even slightly surprised to discover that quite a lot of people have immediately assumed that it's some kind of malicious, conspiratorial attack on the SNP.
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If it's that easy why has it never been done?
Because the clubs - almost all of them, not just the ones that you'd expect - are strongly against any suggestion that they should face more penalties for their supporters' bad behaviour.
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Oh aye so you are! Because that's never been done. what a load of pish.
If it was good, effective law, the conviction rate wouldn't be so far below rates for similar offences. If it was working as intended, it'd be politically impossible to ask for its repeal.
It's been given every chance to work - the police and the Crown have both made it a major priority - and now the results are plain to see. It doesn't work, it's expensive and it's weirdly discriminatory against football fans as opposed to people at any other public events. And that's why it's probably going to be repealed, not because it'll e.g. make some thick Celtic fans happy.
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What have we learnt though? Bigots can do what they want? No-one can stop them?
Going by the prevalence of crowds singing nasty and stupid songs this season, I'd say that we've also learned that you can't change the behaviour of tens of thousands of people by arresting one or two of them per week. We've also learned that if the government wants to "send a message" to the populace, then TV or billboards are more effective than policemen and handcuffs.
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It was just bad law, in the end - implemented to get good headlines, I suspect, but badly out of touch with the systems that were meant to enforce it. That's why the conviction rate was so poor, and it's why the sheriffs were lining up to say bad things about it.
The quick summary: if you're sending people to jail for singing offensive songs, and you're not Saudi Arabia, you have messed up somewhere along the line.
The whole incident has taught us some fairly valuable lessons, I think. The good news is that it shows that people can have bad laws repealed, if they get organised. The bad news is that a large section of the populace plainly has no problem with gesture politics if they think they won't be personally affected and, worse, that football fans and others are willing to put themselves at risk of arrest, if they think a new law will punish people that they don't like.
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Well of course if I say 'tit' you have to reply with 'tat'. This is why we've trodden water on this thread for 3+ years.
TheMost diddies are singularly incapable of acknowledging their calumnies and moving on. An exception is The DA for whom today's outcome was truly Damascene.Today's capitulation from MASH demonstrated that The SFA had a robust and credible process in place to assess King as a F&PP. Concomitantly it also showed that the wilder claims of The Big Thread Diddies were baseless.
That you're not laughing at MASH's peevish press release makes you part of the problem.
Full credit to Kincardine here though - "calumnies" is a great word. I also wouldn't try to wrap my gums around "concomitantly" in conversation, and I'm a massive smartarse.
"Damascene", no less.
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Aye, that's pretty much what Chick Young was saying, too.
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On an unrelated note, I see that there's an interview with Graeme Souness on Radio Scotland soon.
I wonder whether anyone will ask him why, when he was Newcastle manager, he chose to buy a player for eight million quid - a player that he could've picked up for free just a few months earlier - from another club that was paying him a secret retainer fee?
Always thought that was a bit of a strange one, myself.
Update: Nope, no chance - just Chick Young delivering an embarrassing, Dyson-strength suck-job, much like the rest of the press does whenever they're in Souness's presence.
Updated update: Not only that, but then one of the pundits announces that "You have to separate the Souness years at Rangers from the EBT years".
This, while said pundit is fully aware that Souness himself had a once-secret EBT from Rangers while he was managing another club. Awesome skillz.
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There's no tick-box on my paycheque marked "Would you like to pay tax on your income, Yes/No". No reason why there should be for rich-as-hell footballers, either.
I say Go Get 'Em, Hector. Get the lot of them.
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To be fair we are not nearly as bothered about it as you lot (and interviewers) seem to be, it is just one of many things you cannot let go, like resolution 12 for instance.
Journey is over, we are back, that is the reality of present day and that is what the future is all about.
I suggest that Walter Smith and Graeme Souness are both pretty bothered about the Apply-To-The-Third-Or-Get-a-Boost-To-The-Top-Tier issue.
After all, they've both made categorical public statements explicitly stating that they're a bit upset about it, just in the last few days.
I mean, fair play though. Maybe the rest of you are really intensely relaxed about it, and it's only your most famous living managers who are in any way annoyed.
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Rangers' Wee Spot in Europe - Season 2023/24
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