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Thanks for that info folks. Incidentally, Selkirk were mentioned as a possible addition next season but one of the criteria was that you had to have the previous three years of accounts in good order, whether that just means in good order to look at or whether it means that you mustn't have had financial problems I don't know. Could it be the amateur club Serkirk Vics who would be applying, that would maybe be a way round it?
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I'm interested in what happens at the end of this season as regards leagues A, B and C. I can't find any information relating to it on the EOSFL website which is otherwise a very good site compared to what it used to be. Can anyone enlighten me? I did start reading this thread but there's 34 pages and to be honest I got stuck on the very first post as I had no clue what PWG meant. I have heard that the top 5 in each of the 3 leagues will form 1 league of 15 next season and the remainder will go into a league below that, is that right? How is the champion decided? Will new teams still be able to apply to join the EOSFL next season?
Thanks in advance
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9 hours ago, Robert James said:
No, it was from its EGM.
Purely as speculation on my part, and based upon 2017/18 standings, I have seeded the EoS clubs as follows
1st seeds - Bonnyrigg Rose, LTHV (2)
2nd seeds - Hill of Beith , Camelon, Hawick RA, Preston Ath, Musselburgh, Haddington, Leith Ath, Peebles, Tranent, Tynecastle, Blackburn, Dalkeith (12)
3rd seeds - Heriot Watt Uni, Dunipace, Burnt Island, Edinburgh Utd, Stirling Uni (EoS), Coldstream, Crossgates, Eyemouth, Easthouses Lily, Ormiston (10)
4th seeds - Tweedmouth, Inverkeithing HS (2)
Each "conference" would therefore have the following range of clubs from these seedings :
* i from 1st tier + 6 from 2nd tier + 5 from 3rd tier + 1 from 4th tier = 13 clubs for each "conference" (clubs drawn by lots, not selected)
NB I have not included Craigroyston, as the EoS has not confirmed its late application (nor named any other clubs as yet)..
.My estimation..........just for fun !
That looks like a pretty fair assessment to me although Heriot Watt finished above Peebles but only by one point
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1 hour ago, newcastle broon said:
Just for one season only.
32 teams, 31 game season everybody plays each other once wi home/away ties drawn at random. Sorted.
In all seriousness as suggested before I think the qualifying leagues at start of season has a long way to decide what team goes where. Great idea.
It's gonnae be a great couple of years for the EoSFL and they deserve it.
I would actually be inclined to go with the playing each other once idea. They played each other three times when there were the leagues of fourteen outwith the SPL not so long ago so no different to playing once really and only for one season anyway. At least after everyone having played each other once their final position would be on merit. The qualifying leagues are seeded are they not with two strong teams and two weaker teams in a section so not sure how they would decide where the new teams would be placed.
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Back in the 90's the clubs in the Scottish leagues outwith the Premier played each other three times in a season in the league so would playing a club once not work for one season of EOSFL as long as each team had the same number of home and away games? That would depend on whether there was an odd or an even number of clubs of course. I think in the EOS league cup it's not on a home and away basis anyway is it? At the end of the season all the clubs would be where they are based on ability over a season rather than hand picked seedings or whatever else.
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I personally think at this moment in time given that the EOSFL was almost down and out that it's good to see so many clubs joining and hopefully after another season we will see teams being able to compete with others of similar ability rather than these one sided games which don't do the league or the clubs any favours. Looking a number of years further down the line though, if it does come about that there will be two or even three promotion spots to the LL we could have a situation where two or three EOSFL are leaving the EOSFL for the LL but clubs are not dropping into the EOSFL because they are Highland, Glasgow area or SOSFL clubs. I think whatever the outcome there will be a stonger EOSFL premier at least and hopefully it all works itself out.
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On 03/06/2017 at 09:51, stanley said:
Off to the juniors?
They've entered a team in the Lowland u20's league
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On 07/06/2017 at 17:55, stanley said:
Any other new clubs like Duns?
I thought Duns might have been back since they are doing all that work on their ground but apparently they hope to be back after one more season of absence.
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Burntisand Shipyard are to announce exciting news in the next 7 days apparently
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I'm pretty sure it is a requirement for new clubs applying to join the EOS that they must have access to the pitch they use for the whole season ahead and even if not policed to the letter, is still supposed to be a requirement for those already in. It was pointed out that Duns and Peebles pitches could in fact be hired by anyone. That was Duns former pitch at the new school, I'm sure they own their current pitch. Peebles and those who play at Saughton may have an agreement or be able to book their pitch for the season.Spartans EOS normally play at home on the weekends Spartans are away. Until now the occasional clash has seen the EOS team play a Friday night.
If there is such a requirement, it clearly isn't policed to the letter (quite sensibly)... Berwick Rangers EOS never had first call on Shielfield. Lothian THV and Tynecastle can't both have first call groundsharing Saughton. Stirling don't have first call on Gannochy, to the extent that the first team still register it as their ground for the South Challenge and EOS Qualifying cups. Some other clubs don't have first call at certain times of year, or days of the week, due to other sports or events e.g. athletics, cricket, gridiron (before - at Meadowbank), local festivals.
Groundsharing also happens in SPFL, LL, SOSL.
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Does Spartans EOS play on the park that has those first team facilities? What happens if their first team are at home on the same day? I think that is one of the EOS requirements, having first pick of the pitch you use.
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Anyone willing to benchmark the best to worst grounds in new set up ? Suppose Spartans the best
That's a good idea if only just to see what people who go to the games think of the surroundings. A mark of up to 5 stars like Trip Advisor with as you say Spartans having the best for EOS level at 5 stars.
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As I see it personally: the EOS League is probably at the crossroads now, the next 1 or 2 years will likely define its future prospects.
Action may be taken to stop losing members, consolidate, and look to recruit new clubs... whether ambitious amateurs, the odd junior interested in the pyramid, or whatever. With the aim of stopping the rot and hopefully even getting back to 2 divisions. There are still positives. Afterall, more than half the members are working towards licensing in some form and many aspire to gain promotion to LL. It still has a handful of Scottish Cup entrants, it still dominates Edinburgh and the Borders.
Or things may continue as they have been and nothing happen... with a risk that numbers and standards continue to fall due to clubs ascending to LL, moving to the Juniors, second teams being withdrawn, or some new factor bursting upon it like LL did (e.g. some restructuring higher-up drawing off more clubs).
It's difficult to predict.
On the one hand the EOSL has survived and often flourished for 90 years; has the USP of being the eastern feeder to LL; is generally well-run and offers some other benefits (e.g. U20s); and still has its fate in its own hands.
On the other hand, its membership has split down the middle on something as fundamental as 1 or 2 divisions; it has recruited only 1 first-team club in normal circumstances in 7 years; it just lost a club to the Juniors for the first time since 1966; and it's gone from 26 clubs to 16 (only 14 of them first-teams) in the space of 2 years.
Time will tell.
What is meant by normal circumstances? I remember both Duns and Burntisland being admitted, was one of those admissions not under normal circumstances?
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They need to expand EOS. Get more teams involved.
I asked before but got no response - what is the criteria for playing EOS?
Clubs that are already in don't really have to do anything more but for those looking to get in I think to start with you need to have your last 3 years accounts in order then the ground criteria is now pretty similar to that required by the SFA for membership. An enclosed ground, a rail round the pitch, pitch must be available to your club on match days for the whole season, changing facilities to a certain standard and probably more stuff. Enclosing the ground is well beyond most amateur clubs and rules them out straight off.
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To be honest I don't think playing each other 3 times makes much or any real difference at this level what with crowds of 15-50 to play in front of. Even amateur teams think they have an advantage by playing at home, it's all in the mind because what might that advantage be, a 50,000 crowd roaring them on or 1 man and a dog?
They do it or did it in the SPFL didn't they before they split for the top 6 and only then do they get a 4th game against teams in the top or bottom 6 depending where they end up. I watched a game at Easthouses once where the home support was outnumbered by three to one but there was still only 18 people there.
The season just finished shows that LTHV and Easthouses both won 8 home and away, lost 2 home and away and drew 2 home and away. Both of them in fact had a better away record than home record because of their away goal difference.
Leith won 7 away and 7 at home
Tynecastle 5 home wins v 4 away wins but same number of H&A defeats
Craigroyston 1 home and 3 away wins
Some teams prefer playing away from home because their own pitches are so bad in the winter months.
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South Challenge Cup 2018-19
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An interesting tie would be Tweedmouth Rangers v Berwick Rangers, a local derby between two clubs whose grounds are separated by the thickness of a breeze block wall, 8 inches I think.