Dark Blue Dick
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While I have sympathy with the club having to deal with covid restrictions, I have no sympathy with the outdated, unfit ticketing process.
I bought an electronic ticket for the Montrose game, delivered straight to my phone, with no requirement for a round trip to Montrose, in advance, to pick up a bit of fucking paper. If Montrose can do it, why can't we?
I had to go to Dens twice to pick up orient and Brora tickets, back at work now so no chance for st mirren.
It's scandalous we don't have electronic tickets. Not only is it inconveniencing fans, it's costing the club by limiting easy access. Electronic tickets could also be traded on secondary markets like StubHub, which would encourage more season ticket sales, and have more bums on seats on match day. Win win.
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An extra 150K in the bank ........We will be top by the January transfer window, causing Rangers and Celtic to pay through the nose for Adam, Cummings and McGhee. They will sit on their bench for the remainder of the season, we will finish 3rd but with an extra £8m in the bank.
The old firm always fleece us for our best players. One of my pet hates being a Dundee fan ......0 -
I've made my point, and I can see there is no visible agreement with my opinion on this forum. So I see no merit in continuing the discussion.Jim, we know that you're hurting right now. As you were hurting when we wouldn't let your playpal and jug eared rat Doddsy come along for the ride. Can you please stop spamming the Dundee forum now, thanks.
But if you persist in quoting my posts, don't be shocked if I reply .........
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Quite. My complaint is the when the club is deep in the shit, then perhaps "cutting off your nose to spite your face" maybe isn't the best policy.You are a bore. It doesn't matter what the argument you are perputating is, morally why would you want someone back who wanted you gone. It's called cutting off your nose to spite your face, now will you please stop boring us on this issue?
But I'm sorry that my posts bore you. You know what bores me? Being in the f**king championship next year.0 -
16 minutes ago, Dark Blue Dick said:
That is certainly data point …..
Do you have his complete record?
I had a look, let me answer my own question.
I think it's fair to say he's had success both with and without Dodds, and he's had failure, both with and without Dodds.
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4 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said:
He won a league title with Dunfermline and had QotS in the promotion play-offs without Dodds at his side.
And was sacked by Ross County whilst having Dodds at his side admittedly winning the LC. He had a better WR at both clubs.
That is certainly data point …..
Do you have his complete record?
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8 hours ago, johnnydun said:
Great news yesterday.
His position was completely untenable. Easily the worst manager I have seen at Dens. His record confirms this.
We all knew the statement of "Dundee would of stayed up if McIntyre got to work with Dodds" was going to be banded about once the axe fell.
We all knew it would be the hymn sheet of the roasters in the press and those in Scottish football involved in the old pals act.
What I find obscure is that Dundee fan @Dark Blue Dick would have to even question, and keep questioning about the Dodds situation.
It's like having a guy have an affair with your wife and and ruining your relationship, then going back to him for marriage advice because his mates say he might be good at it.
No fucking way did I want that clown near my club and I am glad the board listened to us.
I would of found it very difficult to go to Dens and cheer on that man and the cost of relegation is a small one to pay compared to the cost of alienating the majority of the Dee's in the Premier.
We will be back up again soon and no doubt back down again in years to follow, it is no big deal, we have survived worse and I am glad we did not stay up or get relegated with that arsehole on the books.
I think we are now in an excellent position with very few players on the books and no management team to completely start from scratch.
All the board have to do now is make the right choice.....
My view is that avoiding relegation was the prime objective this year. Others have already expressed the view that not employing Dodds was more important than avoiding the drop. If that's how you feel, then further discussion is fruitless.
I still prefer success on the park any day …….
But I agree with your final point - it's now up to the board to make the right choice.
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20 hours ago, Dele said:
If I was offered the choice of where we are now - relegation - or money I work to earn being given to a man who actively tried to get this club shut down, then yes, I would have and am happy to have been relegated.
Get it right up the little jug eared rat b*****d.
Hi Dele,
While I disagree with your opinion, I appreciate your honesty in expressing it.
Me? I would have been happy to keep quiet at the time to maximise our chances of survival. Then at the end of the season, I would have expressed my hope that Dodds GTF …….
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13 hours ago, jupe1407 said:
This is a strange hill to die on.
If there was any evidence at all that Dodds might have made a difference you might have a semblance of a point, but there's none whatsoever. Dodds has very little in the way of coaching credentials and only seems to be highly regarded by fellow pundits in the MSM. Indeed one could argue that the very thing Dodds was meant to improve actually improved anyway. We did start scoring a bit more often under McIntyre, however the defence was consistently terrible.
"Relegation or Dodds" is a risible point to try and make since there is absolutely no credible evidence that Dodds would, or could have made any sort of difference.
Hi Jupe,
I'm not claiming that Dodds would have made a difference. I'm not claiming that at all.
What are the facts? The fact is that JM wanted dodds as assistant. The fact is that the board evaluated JM record based on his working with Dodds. The fact is that by blocking Dodds, we made our new managers difficult job even harder. And that's my complaint - that we made his job harder.
You say that there's no evidence that Dodds would have made a difference. Well, compare JMs record with Dodds, and without. Now that still doesn't prove that Dodds would have made a difference, but it is certainly a data point.
This season was a disaster. And it's been coming. Root cause for me is the failure to appoint a competent manager. I think we got unlucky with Hartley, but McCann and then McIntyre were abysmal. My complaint is that regardless of what we thought of McIntyre, we fans made his job harder - when we should have done everything we could to support our team in its hour of need.
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1 minute ago, srw said:
Had we blocked a Guardiola and Klopp dream team, Id understand youre POV, but we didnt, all we did was say wed be unhappy with Dodds.
If you have no morals, backbone or pride, and believe winning at all costs is the most important thing, well thats certainly an opinion that youre entitled to.
I get it. I would have been unhappy with Dodds too. But I would have sucked it up to avoid relegation.
You prefer relegation to Dodds? yes?
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1 minute ago, Dee Man said:
This is where you imply that the fans should have been ignored.
With respect, I think you should see that my comment is specifically about the decision to employ Dodds. it's not a blanket call for fans to be ignored.
As I said,
"My argument is that the board should put immediate football decisions above fans 'feelings'.
Clearly there's a balance, but when we are staring down the barrel of relegation, that's when fans feelings should take a back seat. Disagree?"
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3 minutes ago, Dee Man said:
Stop saying "feelings" all the time - it's fucking morals, man.
You're literally the only poster from any club I've ever seen say the board should actively ignore the fans. What kind of shite is that?
Hi Dee Man,
How would you define the difference between 'feelings' and morals? because I honestly don't understand the distinction you appear to be making. A clarification would be helpful.
I am not saying the board should ignore the fans - where did I say that? You seem to be implying that the board should always consider fans 'feelings' above all else. My argument is that the board should put immediate football decisions above fans 'feelings'.
Clearly there's a balance, but when we are staring down the barrel of relegation, that's when fans feelings should take a back seat. Disagree?
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11 minutes ago, G_Man1985 said:
The blame lies with the board. This whole mess is to do with them. When was the last time we had any decent board?
You cant say the board listen to the fans ( Dodds for example)... because if you did McIntyre wouldn't of been picked or he would of been sacked a lot earlier...
However we need their money so we pay our money and do as we are told as fans..
First time kilmac stadium be in the championshipOk, so yes, the board takes most of the blame. Regardless of the financial backing, which in some ways makes it worse knowing that we had funds but misspent them, but my point is that we fans are not blameless either.
I'm not on the board. I say to myself, how can I help the club? I buy a season ticket, I buy merchandise in the shop, I buy Dee TV, and I don't boo the team on the park, no matter how pish they are playing.
And I don't put my 'feelings' above the potential success of the team.
Lets all pull together - the team needs us next year. And we all want the same thing - a successful team on the park.
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6 minutes ago, dd23 said:
It's absolutely pointless to speculate about that, I'd fire straight back at you what if we'd appointed the duo and gone down anyway while alienating a fair percentage of the fan base.
You're trying to make a straight up rational point here, but that point itself is based on loads of variables.
And the bottom line is football fans are not rational, if they were they wouldn't support football clubs, especially ones like Dundee who I can thank personally for over 40 years of almost unrelenting disappointments.
Take a look at the general decline of our fanbase over that period if you want an absolute indication of what happens when fans get let down again and again by the board.
To be fair i don't think this board is letting us down at all, i just think that someone who's knowledge in a field is limited has made poor decisions which have cost us dearly on the park.
Hopefully the right decision is made this time, and advice is taken from more than a spreadsheet and a load of dry statistics.
A good appointment now and in a few years this sorry episode will be well behind us.I agree with much of this.
Lets say it was McIntyre and Dodds fired today after relegation - would that have been materially worse? No. We're still down, and still fucked.
Football fans are not rational? Some of them aren't, that's for sure.
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7 minutes ago, Shadow Play said:
Let’s look at this from another perspective. If Dodds had been appointed along with McIntyre and we were still relegated (very likely given McIntyre’s appointments) would you not be more annoyed at yourself for not saying anything and just accepting him with a shrug of the shoulders?
Well let's be clear, I am absolutely fucking raging at relegation, Dodds or not. The fact is, we are relegated, and management would have been sacked, deservedly, no matter who it was.
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10 minutes ago, G_Man1985 said:
Lets bring in an ex Arab and his assistant who wanted us liquidated. Ah well we got stuck with just the one of them. The good news for him though is he got his mate Curran a nice lengthy contract so no doubt we will have to pay him off..
There is no doubt that McIntyres appointment was an absolute, unmitigated disaster …...
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12 minutes ago, Shadow Play said:
In that case why was McIntyre appointed? With the new appointment we needed an immediate feel good factor around Dens and the resultant ‘new manager bounce’. For numerous reasons McIntyre's appointment was never likely to bring that.
This is irrelevant to the Dodds discussion, and our role as fans.
We can quibble about McIntyres appointment for sure (and I certainly would).
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9 minutes ago, G_Man1985 said:
How did we fail to support the club ? 7 points at home all season and we still kept going to support them. The season was over by this weekend and 160 of us still went to see us win..
Next season they wanted to fans pay early so they can budget for next season.... which got extended.... twice....
The price is still the same as what we would pay in the top flight... how can you justify paying that ?
The board have had a disaster and the blame lies at their door. Sacking McIntyre now? Very goodG_man,
I don't disagree with any of that.
We failed to support the club by putting our feelings ahead of the managers choice of assistant. Regardless of the eventual outcome, Dodds was the preferred choice, and we should have backed it.
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8 minutes ago, rainbowrising said:
This Dodds argument is a nonsense. We didn't get relegated because he wasnt there (or at least a chance of staying up if he was). We were relegated because the players brought in by McCann and then McIntyre were shite. Easily the worst squad I have seen in years at Dens.
Hi RR (great album btw),
The argument is not that Dodds would have saved us, the argument is that McIntyre thought Dodds would have helped, but us fans vetoed the idea because it hurt our feelings,
My complaint is that us fans put our feelings ahead of what the manager thought was best.
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2 minutes ago, dd23 said:
In an ideal world reject away.
In reality you would have had dogs abuse coming from the stands from day one, what little slack that was extended to McIntyre would not have been extended had Dodds been in tow.
There are certain appointments that are unacceptable to any football club.
Neil Lennon will never walk into Ibrox as manager, Terry Butcher won't get the gig at Celtic and John Robertson is unlikely to manage Hibs.
Also McIntyre and Dodds as best available candidates to save us from relegation?
I'm afraid I just don't buy it.
United had just rejected them. It was a rushed and spectacularly ill judged appointment.I think the first thing is that we have to remember where we were. We were staring relegation in the face. and needed to turn things round, with the transfer window still months away. My only concern was survival, the background of the potential candidates was last thing on my mind.
Were McIntyre and Dodds the best choice? That's irrelevant. (and my opinion was no) But the club appointed McIntyre, and McIntyre wanted Dodds. The point is that the fans feelings should not then have been a factor, but the fans shouldn't have made it a factor.
Lets postulate a hypothetical; would you prefer that we appointed Dodds and survived, or were relegated? Which is more important to you?
Please remember that I am not saying that Doods would have saved us. Who knows.
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16 minutes ago, dd23 said:
The thing is the thrust of the argument misses the point.
The failure here was that of those appointing McIntyre, who were so unaware of the club's history and the outcry that Dodds' coming with him would bring.
Personally i don't think it would have bothered me that much, but i knew enough to know that the majority of fans could never have swallowed it.
The appointment was doomed from the start, and the fault lies with the man who did the appointing.The premise here is that he club should have been aware of the fans feelings, and should have made this a more important factor over who was best equipped to save the club from relegation.
I reject that premise, The most important factor should have been who could keep us up.
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Just now, Bigmouth Strikes Again said:
It's a nonsense question. IMO.
Respectfully, I disagree. We have no idea if Dodds would have made a difference or not, The point is, the manager thought he would and so did the club. Now, lets say McIntyre had requested Basil Brush as assistant, i.e. someone with no football qualifications whatsoever, then I would have been in the front of the protests. But the objection to Dodds was that he had hurt our feelings, not his ability.
We fans put our feelings ahead of the survival of the club in the top league. As fans, our job was to support the club. We failed.
Out biggest job next year is to get behind the team. It's going to be hard enough as it is …...
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2 minutes ago, srw said:
Spot on, Dodds can still GTF.
You are happier that we are relegated, than we employed Billy Dodds and stayed up? Yes?
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3 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:
Disappointed in this as it probably means Dundee will be at least somewhat competent next season.
Also where is the evidence for Dodds being some sort of great super coach?
I don't think anybody is claiming that Dodds is a great super coach. I'm not.
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Nelms has fkd up again, hasn't he? Sacked or left, Bowyers departure wouldn't have been a secret for Nelms. A replacement should have been lined up and ready to announce. We have a whole squad to rebuild and resign, we need a manager in place now, someone one who already knows what we need and has signing targets for the prem. If Nelms fannys about for the next 6 weeks then appoints the only applicant left (like last year), we're fkd.