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6 hours ago, NathanQP said:
Look I do feel this is going around in circles a bit. Even if the vote was unanimous, it was clear there was going to be folk upset about the changes and I can understand your feelings about not wanting to come back.
I do hope we can prove to you that the spirit of the club hasn’t changed and we can hopefully see you at a game in a few years down the line.Thank you, but I have drawn a line now.
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2 hours ago, Hampden Diehard said:
Lockdown boredom drove me to have a look at posts on here at the time and I couldn't see one QP fan mentioning another vote.
See earlier post for just two examples, there are more. However it does not really matter. Point I was making was that it was irrational to believe if your side of the argument lossed and you did not agree with outcome, you would have no interest in what was happening.
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1 hour ago, Glasgow1999 said:
I think if you look back, people were posting on this forum comments about going for another vote and how soon that could happen.
Yes for your first sentence, but I respectfully suggest you are completely wrong with your second. If the motion fails but has a majority support, as a democrat personally I see nothing wrong with The President making the argument that a majority of members are in favour of the motion and appealing to those who voted against to change their minds in a second vote at another EGM. Now you are perfectly at liberty to say you disagree with that line of thought, but I simply ask how would that be illegal per the comparison I made with Muirfield Golf Club?
I don't have an issue with a second vote but I think that there has to be a large clear majority in favour of the change. For me anything above 66% merits a second vote as you have double the number of Members for it than against it.
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1 hour ago, Mick1867 said:
Nonsense.
First of all, it was never going to go the other way once the members were informed how it was going to be funded. That was the only sticking point for a lot of those on the fence. If it had then I would have certainly posted my opinion but I wouldn't have demanded another vote or still be rambling on about it seven months later.
I would also have continued to support the club, whatever league we ended up playing in.
I think if you look back, people were posting on this forum comments about going for another vote and how soon that could happen.
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1 hour ago, an86 said:
Generally find people support teams for a very narrow number of reasons. Living locally, family, moving to the area etc. There will obviously be a minority of other reasons, but I don't think we've ever been any different from any other team in terms of the reason that people support us.
No, your opinions certainly won't affect anyone. I just don't understand why you continue to tell people that you're not interested and won't be back. If you're not interested, then why bother?
I'm not arguing about your right to be heard, nor am I not tolerating your view. As I said, I just find your stance strange, considering you're not bothered anymore.
You dont lose forty odd years of supporting a team overnight. Many on this forum often report they will not return to games until something happens, like a manager leaving. They still have an interest due to their previous involvement. For me to be a supporter and to go to having no interest is unrealistic.
Some may have supported the club because they lived locally, but I dont believe this covers everyone. If you really wanted to win leagues and trophies other teams would be better options. Now it is hoped that new people will support as there should be more success on the pitch. I at first travelled from kilmarnock when I could because of the heritage and values of the club, when obviously I had more local teams I could follow.
I was not regular in recent years for a variety of reasons and have not been to an away game for a while. So, I will not be a great loss in terms of money and outdated opinions.
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2 hours ago, an86 said:
I get the point fine. You're raging that the overwhelming majority of the membership and wider support disagreed with you. You're now trying, and failing spectacularly, to pish on a general enthusiasm that probably hasn't been seen around the club during most, if not all, of our lifetimes.
So all the talk about the players really being paid, the 10 cup wins, all the major innovations made by the club was all meaningless and no one supported the team for these reasons?
I don't believe my opinions will affect anyones enthusiasm for change?
The idea of this forum is to allow expressions of opinion and as someone who watched the team for over 40 years I believe my very small minority views can be tolerated?
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3 hours ago, an86 said:
I thought you didn't have a
Think you are really missing the point.
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On 24/06/2020 at 01:11, Mick1867 said:
...and yet here you are. Still reading QP threads, still posting about QP and obviously still taking an interest in what is happening at QP
I do hope you find something else that can lift your spirits on a Saturday afternoon as you sound pretty miserable right now . The Caledonian League might be an option for you. Best of luck.
Lots of people become unhappy with their club. I am certain if the vote had gone the other way, those who lost would be posting comments regularly and demanding another vote. So, I don't think it's strange that someone who was on the actual losing side continues to post. No other team for me, going to games just a happy memory, not been or returning since the change in status.
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2 hours ago, an86 said:
It's exactly the same club, just as it was when we first had sponsors on the jersey, just as it was when we started signing ex-pros, just as it was when we started paying the manager, just as it was when we signed professionals on loan. The membership spoke and spoke resoundingly in favour of the club evolving. Anyone pretending we were carrying the torch of pure amateurism for the past couple of decades is kidding themselves.
Yes you are right, the vote took place and things are changing in my opinion not for the better. So, just speaking for myself I will not carry on but many more will and are very happy with the changes.
I don't see how accepting advertising revenue detracted from being amateur?
I don't see how ex pro's playing for no payment detracted from being amateur? Don't agree that once you have been paid you can never be an amateur again.
I don't see how paying officials and other employees results in players paying for no pay, not being amateur.
For me the club was very different and now has become the same as every other.
It's just my opinion and choice nothing more or less.
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Whenever the season starts I will not be there. This is a completely different club now who are no longer the under dogs, instead most games will now be favourites due to budget. Seeing the young player of the season signing for another club sums it all up really. It will not be long until a team is fielded with no experience of playing at ameuter level, which will be a further sad day for me if no one else.
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No other team for me. I understand why the vast majority supported the changes. I am just a dinosaur. Just would have preferred staying ameuter, whatever the consequences. I realise most supporters realistically feared what would happen without the change. The consequences probably would have been huge given the changes in football and the club do now appear to be in a far better position than many others. The change was overwhelmingly supported and very openly done. So I hope it continues to prosper, I will just continue with my memories.
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7 hours ago, Chester Desmond said:
Heartening to see folk adopting the BIG CLUB mentality already. Didn't take long at all. f**k everyone else eh?
Those days are long gone. Money is everything and the clubs values have been discarded without a thought. Echoes of Gretna. I have not been back since the vote and will not be. Most overjoyed with these developments but not for me. The days of winning games based on good coaching and giving players an opportunity are distant memories. No more the underdog, no more upsetting the apple cart, just like every other club with money or willing to spend money which is not there.
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1 hour ago, QP's in my DNA said:
Funny how it's the English Game.
Did the movie mention that the world's oldest football was found up in the rafters of Mary Queen of Scots bedroom at Stirling Castle.
Probably kicked there, in the 1540's by Scotland's first "self appointed" national team captain; during a spell of social distancing; from the English.
I think it's the English Game as the English FA is the oldest and the series focuses largely on two English teams - Darwen and Old Etonians. Although Queen' Park and Hampden is mentioned in the first episode in connection to the Old Etonians captain spoken to about playing against Queen's Park. The main character in the series is often referred to as being a former player of Partick as was his friend, although I believe this club is not connected to Partick Thistle. The 'passing game' is often referred to as being the Scottish way of playing football and gradually other teams adopt this strategy.
A main point of the drama is the emergence of professionalism, as the main teams in the North of England have paid players. However, they try to hide this fact and the players officially have jobs, usually connected to businesses connected to club owners. The traditional clubs such as Old Etonians strongly disapprove of professionalism and as these clubs control the FA are keen to try and do something about it.
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Queen's Park are mentioned in the first episode of The English Game on Netflix. Very interesting drama, there is so many amazing facts about QPFC which could been used for a similar program!
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2 hours ago, an86 said:
I think the people who have steered us through this have shown themselves to be shrewd enough not to sign up to a loose agreement for some magic beans. They're not going to put the club at risk.
I am sure they will and hopefully those who follow will do the same.
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On 17/11/2019 at 17:14, The man with no name said:
I believe Eddie Hunter was all for the change.
I'm quite sure the Spider would tell you that Ross Caven would have backed the move.
As for the expenses accusation, I'm pretty certain that not all our players do not stay in the same house. They have different travel requirements and therefore some players expenses are higher than others. Nothing sinister or underhand.
As for the guff about insufficient compensation to justify the move. If we had got the compensation due for the players that went to the 4 Premier League Clubs in the summer that would have covered the net cost of our youth system for 2 years.
Just wondering where he hid the good points!
The vote has been won, so there is not any point in going over a lot of issues. Dont know the two guys mentioned or their views on the vote, so I will take your word that they were for it. I agree the expensive allegations were unfounded and inaccurate. I think the compensation issue is a decent point as there are some who believe it will provide huge riches which will continue for many years, which is very optimistic to say the least.
The good points for me started with the headline which describe the spirit the Club had as an amateur team
in professional league. Some on this forum report that the amateur status had no importance for them, but it was a history that no other Club in the world could match.
The article speaks of the requirements of professional football, for instance buying and selling players. It would be good if the Club could continue to differentiate itself from other clubs, by maintaining traditional and different values from most clubs but this will not be easy. Will the Club motto be changed ? It probably will as well as many other traditions.
Having to now pay wages could be a risk as it has been for many clubs. There is always the temptation to go over and above wage limits to sign desirable players. When this happens over a number of years it can have a big impact on clubs. The recent example of Gretna could be seen as a warning. Gretna achieved beyond their level of support due to a rich owner who was willing to spend a lot of money relatively. When they were unwilling to continue this support, Gretna could no longer continue and their fall from grace was a fatal one. I hope the is a direction QPFC do not head down, I am sure they will.
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1 hour ago, Boris the Spider said:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/corinthian-spirit-made-queens-park-20889520
As rubbish an article as he was a player.An interesting article with some good points.
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23 minutes ago, Mick1867 said:
Definitely a sad day for you but for the rest of us.....
I really feel that any QPFC supporter must have some sadness at the change of status which was so fundamental to the Clubs history. History of the Club must have importance even for the strongest supporters of the change, if not why would anyone support the Club? It was not a secret that the Club were amateur! If anyone did not like that they could have followed any number of teams. I do think it was not good that people who did not support the change were described as being 'selfish' amongst other things. I believe that everyone who supports the Club had the best interests of the Club at heart whichever side of the issue they were, and hopefully everyone recognises this now?
The change has been made and I am sure all supporters will do whatever they can to make it a success. There will be challenges and the change does not guarantee success, but everyone now needs to help move forward.
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Sad day for football.
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8 hours ago, The man with no name said:
None and those in the future will be reimbursed so even if we go professional the net cost to the Club will be nothing.
What part of there will be NO additional financial burden to the Club do you not get. In fact, going professional will actually lesson the financial burden on the Club as we will then benefit from training compensation and increased income from higher league positions and better Cup runs.
No financial burden if the Club go professional? Where will the money come from to pay wages?
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4 hours ago, NathanQP said:
No, not at all but if someone is coming across as so uneducated on the situation as you are coming across, I can only assume they are trolling.Uneducated in your opinion?
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12 hours ago, QPSpider1867 said:
Horrifically incorrect. Please do some more research in respect to player salaries.What players salaries have been paid bu the Club?
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14 hours ago, NathanQP said:
Please don’t feed the troll, he just doesn’t get it.
If someone has a different opinion, they are a troll!.
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24 minutes ago, an86 said:
The greatest risk to our financial security is relegation to the Lowland League. The greatest defence against that is to increase the pool of players we can attract to the club.
The second point has been done to death. It will not be viable to continue to fund the youth system if we're getting nothing in return for it. It also wouldn't survive relegation.
As for the point on youth players, if they were enough to get into the team, they'd get there. The important thing is having the most competitive team on the pitch. We're a senior football club, not a youth team.
It has been noted on numerous occasions that the Club is currently cash rich. So, why the status quo would lead to no investment in youth is ridiculous. The real threat would be the wage bill reducing funds available for youth. The current league system is going to change in the near future, which will result in most top health lowland league clubs moving up a division.
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Queen's Park 2020/21
in Scottish League 1 General Chatter
Posted · Edited by Glasgow1999
Youth system? It is certainly proving to be working ... for Cumbernauld Colts!