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Incident packed game at Gretna. Home side had plenty of effort but CSS were easily the better and more dangerous side.
On 17 minutes, a Gretna player moved unchallenged through midfield, shot and scored from about 20 yards. There was a short delay after the goal, which turned out to be due to the Strollers keeper having dislocated a finger. He went off to A&E and was replaced by (I assume) an outfield player.
CSS equalised about 15 minutes later, slack defending allowing their no.9 to go through 1 on 1.
Only one winner after this, but despite a number of goal mouth scrambles and shots missing by inches, CSS couldn't find the net. Meanwhile Gretna failed to test the replacement keeper who only had one weak shot to save.
Five minutes from the end there was a clash of heads. CSS player went off to get his head bandaged and reappeared quite quickly. The Gretna player was the player manager. While his physio tried (and failed) to bandage his head, he tried to substitute himself. Gretna had already used 3 substitutes, so this was refused and a Gretna player was yellow carded for delaying the free kick (while waiting for the substitution to happen!).
While I was watching the manager argue with the Lino and his bench, Gretna attacked down the left, crossed and scored with a header at the far post.
Strollers will wonder how they didn't win this comfortably, but full marks to Gretna for their effort and commitment.
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17 hours ago, EK man said:
Knightswood narrowly defeated St Patrick's in the vote.
Knightswoid now a member of WoSFL.
Does this mean the WoSFL is now effectively a 'closed shop' at 80 members.
So any potential future pyramid applicants need to wait for a vacancy or apply to the East or South?
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17 minutes ago, newcastle broon said:
Vale of Leven are a 3rd division West of Scotland side Vale of Leithen are in the East 1st division.
Strollers joined to make up the numbers to a 16 team league, maybes you need to do a bit due diligence as well
Oops. Rookie mistake, now corrected.
The point I'm making is that Strollers weren't there originally, but are now.
I agree they joined to make up the numbers, but that was also the year that Threave decided to drop down. So, although they weren't a direct replacement, they did strengthen the league that year (unlike Hawick who only lasted a couple of years.).
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11 hours ago, jimbaxters said:
Aye fair enough. I obviously didn't do my due diligence in regards to the named clubs. Apologies.
Still, stand by the point that it's not any stronger than it was.
Come on Jim, more due diligence needed.
From the bottom of the Lowland League we have lost:
Threave (now WoS3)
Preston (now EoS1)
Hawick (now EoS3)
Selkirk (defunct)
Whitehill Welfare (now Eos1)
Vale of Leithen (EoS1)
In their place we now have:
Tranent
Boness
Cowdenbeath
Berwick R
Caledonian Braves
Civil Service Strollers
Are you seriously suggesting the former 6 are equal to their replacements.
If not, then logically (Mr Spock mode) the league must be stronger.
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3 minutes ago, Ginaro said:
There's not been a precedent for an additional team being required to join the HL+LL champions, apart from the previous two years where one of the runners-up joined.
Now this new precedent has been set I expect next season the extra place will be offered to the team who finishes 15th in the Highland League.
Keith must be gutted. So close...
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2 hours ago, CowdenMiners1204 said:
15. Gretna
16. EdiUni
With Elgin hot favourites to go down and EK to go up, I'd imagine 2 teams to come up.
Talbot/Clydebank from West.
Jeanfield/Musselburgh from East.
Still only 1 promoted. Edinburgh Uni would be reprieved.
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2 minutes ago, bobbydazzler said:
no
ok
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18 hours ago, Bad Wolf said:
I'm not sure I really want to know, but tally ho! Who is holding who back here?
I think the argument is that Abbey Vale will be blocking Creetown from entering the promotion play-off, in the same way that Beith will probably block Darvel/Talbot.
Not suggesting either club has done anything wrong, but would there be a case in future for the best placed licensed team to be put forward?
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2 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said:
Final = Renfrew (West Second Division) v Whitletts Victoria (West Fourth Division).
Great opportunity for Luncarty.Whitletts are West First Division.
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1 hour ago, the philosopher said:
EK's main threat this year excluding Rangers and Celtic Colts (doesn't matter they cannot be promoted ) seems to be the 2 teams with slightly different business models ( is that the best way to describe them ? ) Caledonian Braves and Opengoal Goal Broomhill.
Is there any longevity in them ?
Well they've both been going for nearly 10 years and seem to be doing ok.
Selkirk were around for about 130 years. Maybe longevity is overrated?
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2 hours ago, KRayr said:
What an absolute shitshow of uncertainty.
If you want certainty, make sure you finish in 11th or higher.
Finishing 12th - 14th, means you could be affected by events outside your control. As FWF says, all will become clearer as the season progresses.
The rules have been set, so nobody should be surprised at the end of the season.
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1 hour ago, stanley said:
Not too difficult to stay in a league with four relegations in nine years.
Especially if you're not finishing anywhere near the relegation zone. I'm no fan of OG Broomhill, but until last season their worst season in the LL was their first - 9th of 14. Since then they've finished above such 'giants' as Kelty, Boness, East Stirlingshire, Spartans etc.
They may have got there via form-filling, but they've stayed there on merit so far. Fingers crossed though...
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12 hours ago, Dev said:
At the same time no relegation was built into the structure of the Conference A and B divisions. Why should the bottom clubs in those divisions be spared when 5 or 6 clubs will be ejected from the Premier Division? There is absolutely no consistency in that decision.
This season, all Conference A & B teams are at Division 1 level. The bottom 7/8/9 of each Conference will be relegated into Division 2 next season. Conference X is becoming Division 3. Placing any current Conference A or B teams into Division 3 would mean a drop of 2 divisions, which would be inconsistent.
It's a little bit tough on the Conference X teams. but as LLL says, things will rectify themselves over the next 2-3 seasons.
I think the league got their restructure about right.
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57 minutes ago, glensmad said:1 hour ago, Shannon said:Though it could be 5 if both go down and West of Scotland Premier League winners don't win the play off or could be just 2 if West winners win the play off and no West sides come down - most likely scenario.
There is no current rule saying what would happen if 2 teams are relegated into the WoSFL and the champions aren't promoted, so it is not correct to say that 5 teams would be automatically relegated.
There probably needs to be such a rule in place. It's probably unlikely to apply for a few years yet, but if the unthinkable happened and Darvel came back down with Cumbernauld Colts and the WoSFL champions didn't go up, they would need to relegate 5 teams to keep the Premier at 16. The same would then apply to the divisions below.
To potentially relegate 5 from 16 seems a bit too much. May be better to promote 2 in and relegate 2-4 depending on what happens above.
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16 hours ago, Sergeant Wilson said:
9th could play the winner of an East/West 2nd place play off. The winners of the 1st place play off would be a straight replacement for club 42.
15 hours ago, Muzza81 said:Eh?
Anyway, while we have a lowland and highland split there shouldn’t be automatic promotion from both. The HL doesn’t have the depth that the LL does/will and it would be mental to promote a team from that league every season. The playoff between them works for now, club 42 should get automatically relegated.
I agree there probably isn't the depth in the Highland and Lowland League to merit full play offs similar to the SPFL ones yet.
But if they did, the scenario could look something like:
Club 42 - Automatic relegation
HL1 Fraserburgh v LL1 Bonnyrigg Rose - winner promoted to SPFL2
HL2 Buckie Thistle v LL2 East Kilbride
HL3 Brechin City v LL3 Spartans
Semi Finals
A Loser of HL1/LL1 v Winner HL2/LL2
B Winner HL3/LL3 v Club 41
Final
Winner A v Winner B
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58 minutes ago, Pyramid Watcher said:
Where else would they play??
Maybe they could all apply to the Highland League and set up a Highland League (South) division.
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1 hour ago, RedLichty said:
Looks like a goal to me ...
I can't believe the ref still hasn't awarded a goal after having all weekend to look at the photographic evidence.....
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2 hours ago, RedLichty said:
What is the scenario when 5 go down again? My dementia is kicking in...
Lothian must be getting more than a little nervous... 15 points left for them to play for so plenty time.
Vale of Leithen relegated from Lowland League
EoS champions fail to win promotion play-off.
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39 minutes ago, Kennie said:
I do still read this forum, but I haven’t posted anything for a long while. Probably because the more I try to explain something the more argument it raises.
I will however make an exception this time.
I have a deadline to stick to.
In order for a WoSFL Club to participate in the LL play-off, we need to declare a champion before the first game in the play-offs, which is set for Saturday 21st May.
I therefore, some time ago, decide to clear all fixtures from May to keep them for possible postponements. These postponements could arise due to Covid (still possible) weather related postponements, abandonments, or Cup games, especially the South Challenge Cup, which takes priority over the League games. (Not my preference and outwith my control).
A number of clubs have had postponements and most have been re-scheduled. In the cases of Darvel and Talbot, and to a lesser extent Pollok, Their games against Cumbernauld and Rob Roy are proving to be problematic. But they need played before the deadline as they may have a bearing on who goes forward.
I then have the South Challenge Cup game between Talbot and Pollok this Saturday, the winner of which will play in the semi-final on the 30th April. This will displace either Glenafton v Talbot or Troon v Pollok.
So that’s me into May’s reserve dates.
The potential games that may come about are quite complicated, but here you go. If Talbot win, Glenafton v Talbot will go to 7th May, Glenafton will play Kilwinning on 30th April in the Killmarnock Pie Cup, providing that Glens have defeated East Kilbride Thistle in the cup game on 16th April, if not they will play Blantyre Vics in the league and East Kilbride Thistle will play Kilwinning Rangers in the cup on Saturday 7th May. Also on 7th May, Cumbernauld will play Pollok. Talbot will play Rob Roy on Wednesday 4th May and Cumbernauld on 14th May.
I do hope you are keeping up.
Now if Pollok win on 2nd April, Troon v Pollok will be moved to 7th May, Cumbernauld will need to move to 14th May. Cumbernauld will play Talbot on 7th May. Glenafton v Talbot will stay at 30th April and Glenafton will play either Kilwinning or Blantyre on 7th May.
The above possibilities involve some of the teams that still have outstanding games v Darvel and until I have clarity on what those outcomes are, I cannot move any of Darvel’s games into May.
Still with me?
On Wednesday 13th April, Darvel play Bellshill in the Kilmarnock Pie Cup and the outcome of that also throws up possibilities. If Darvel win, they will then play either Shotts or Ardeer and that could be played like so, Ardeer v Darvel 7th May or Shotts v Darvel on 14th May.
The Strathclyde Demolition Cup is on course and is now at the Final. The Scottish Junior Cup is also on course and is at the Semi-Final stage with the date fixed for the Final well after the deadline for the Play-Offs. The Kilmarnock Pie Cup needs sorting out as I do not want to keep any clubs hanging around waiting for weeks on end without a game.
This is only the tip of the iceberg as there are many other games that need scheduled. I will change some of Darvel’s midweeks where possible to try to bring about balance. But I need to see what’s available first.
I hope this helps you understand what is happening at the moment.
Brilliant!
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21 hours ago, calmac25 said:
What division in the West of Scotland would they go into?
Could there be an argument that they are moving across from a parallel Tier 6 league and should therefore be placed in the WoSL Premier, similar to how Bonnyton were treated?
The WoSL Premier could run with 17 clubs for 1 season, relegating an extra club at the end of 2022-23.
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2 hours ago, jimbaxters said:
You didn't read it did you?
In Part C) it says the criteria to decide who goes through if points are the same. Unless I'm getting it wrong, if goal difference is the same, then goals scored are the same, head to head is the same, how can goals scored away from home be different?
WoS v EoS 1-1 WoS win on pens
EoS v SoS 0-0 EoS win on pens
SoS v WoS 0-0 SoS win on pens
Pld F A Pts
EoS 2 1 1 3
WoS 2 1 1 3
SoS 2 0 0 3
All teams gained two points from two draws, plus an extra point for winning a penalty shootout.
All teams have goal difference of 0
WoS and EoS both have goals scored = 1
EoS scored 1 away from home, WoS scored 0 away from home
EoS win.
It’s an unlikely scenario, but they are trying to cover all eventualities.
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On 05/04/2021 at 11:13, Che Dail said:
Adults ages 18 or older will not be allowed to return to full contact training until Monday, May 17.
Allow 3-4 weeks 'pre-season' to start w/c Monday 14th June. Players may be out of contract on 30th June.
So 3-4 weeks preparation and cost for just 2 weeks competitive football (?), playing 3 or 4 games a week to get to 50%? It makes no sense at all.
If the league can agree upon a winner based on PPG (over the past 2 incomplete seasons) to replace Vale of Leithen in the LL that's one thing - but when it starts to affect everyone else to their detriment, that's quite another.
Instead of trying to shoehorn 6-8 games into those two weeks, which would be quite brutal, how about the following?
Use PPG to create a list of the top 9 ranked teams and split these into 3 groups of three. Each group plays each other once = week 1
The group winners play each other in a final group = week 2
So a maximum of 4 games in two weeks.
Doing the maths quickly we could have something like :
Group A Jeanfield Swifts, Linlithgow Rose, Dundonald Bluebell
Group B Tranent Juniors, Camelon Juniors, Hill Of Beath
Group C Lothian Thistle HV, Penicuik Athletic, Musselburgh Athletic
I guess something similar could be used to determine relegation - the 3 bottom sides in each equivalent group go down plus two of the second placed teams. Personally, I would skip relegation again this season, but it would be nice to be able to provide a club that could call themselves champions.
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On 24/03/2021 at 19:53, FairWeatherFan said:
The problem is figuring out how to get a Champion in the first place.
On the Lowland League forum there's a claim that they are using PPG to decide their Champion.
Looking at the EOS Premier, the same process would provide Jeanfield Swifts. However, Jeanfield, Penicuik and Dundonald have only managed to complete just over a quarter of the season, and as someone has pointed out, Jeanfield are the only side to have played against all 3 bottom sides which probably gives them a slightly unfair advantage.
So, then I thought why not use PPG as a guide to produce a Top 4 and then have a knockout tournament to provide a champion - Covid allowing.
I've used PPG and Goal Difference / Game which would give:
Jeanfield Swifts v Camelon Juniors
Tranent Juniors v Lothian Thistle HV
Then, as I'm having a quiet afternoon (please don't judge me), I thought why not use PPG to identify the Top 8 teams, then produce a second league table, still with PPG, for those 8 teams using only matches played against each other. Unfortunately, the way the fixtures have fallen, I've only been able to find 10 matches between these sides. Jeanfield and Dundonald have only 1 match each, LTHV have 4.
The rankings in this table would be:
1. Lothian Thistle
2. Tranent Juniors
3. Camelon Juniors
4. Penicuik Athletic
5. Jeanfield Swifts
6. Musselburgh Athletic
7 .Linlithgow Rose
8. Dundonald Bluebell
But at the end of the day, there probably haven't been enough matches to justify using PPG. Null & void?
Oh well, that's the weekend here...
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2 minutes ago, newcastle broon said:
Depends if Pollok were licensed.
At present it's a 2 legged play off.
Thats kind of my point. My understanding is that Pollok may have trouble getting a licence. (If I'm wrong, just substitute another unlicensed West club).
In that case, no play off is necessary.
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What if Talbot treat both legs as 'one off games' ?