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That was me. I posted it earlier in this thread!

"It's your own fault when we attack journalists and team officials at Tynecastle"

It would be bad form to take it given the upcoming legal action. It's a tacit acceptance of relegation right there, to add to them voting to end the season with them relegated. That just leaves them trying to force reconstruction through the courts, as though a Scottish court of session (or whatever) judge is going to be the arbitrer of what makes for a fair sporting tournament.

They might have more success if they were willing to look at reconstruction proposals that were unpalatable to Heart of Midlothian.

Not really. Only one of Brora and Kelty ever had a chance of promotion in the first place, and going by the previous pattern of HL/LL promotion, that chance was only about 20% between them. Neither team should really have had any expectation of league football. Partick Thistle is the obvious hard-done-by team.

If so, I hope she enlists Leslie Deans as part of her court team. The thought of them attempting to argue about the technical minutiae of SPFL rules and email gateway timestamps as it relates to the democratic legitimacy of Dundee's email vote and then having the defence hold up the Daily Record to show that their idea of democracy is a brutal authoritarian overrule by diktat immediately after they lose the vote would be too funny...

I'm not saying anything of the sort. I'm saying that you have to take these things on a case-by-case basis, and use your judgement. You'd be super hard-pressed to find anyone within BLM or on the left in general who'd agree with defacing a Robert the Bruce statue on such obviously spurious grounds - and these are the guys who have no problem with tearing down a statue they don't like and dunking it in Bristol Harbour. Why would some BLM activist get it into their head that Robert the Bruce was a racist? Nobody genuinely thinks that, and Black Lives matter people tend to know far more than the average person about famous historical racists. I wouldn't have known Edward Colston from Adam before his statue was taken down, and I suspect you wouldn't have, either. Robert The Bruce makes no sense as a target and it's out of character for BLM. However, it IS in character for the right to try to denigrate BLM with phoney propaganda, though. They've been doing it for the last few years, and it's undeniable that Black Lives Matter is currently a target for far-right black propaganda. It is possible that this is a genuine BLM defacement, but it's highly unlikely. Until they catch the right-wing scrote responsible, it's down to a balance of probabilities! There are a few instances of individuals fabricating hate crimes for various purposes, sure, and Smollett is one I'd have in mind too. I can't think of a single case of an organized left-wing political group intentionally perpetrating a false flag attack, though, whereas it's much more commonplace from right-wing actors. I wouldn't be surprised if there maybe was a left-wing attack somewhere in all of history (the place to look might be Stalinist Russia), but if so, they're super-rare, unlike the ones perpetrated by the right.

- Killed Hitler? - Forget it he's rolling

Sure. However it is undeniable that the far-right have been using false flag attacks - up to and including mass murder - to discredit the left for decades now. Much of what the loyalists in Northern Ireland were doing from 1969 to 1975 were false flag attacks (1969 bombings outside Belfast, pretty much their campaign of shooting catholics until about early-mid 1973, and the Miami Showband attack). That's just Northern Ireland; the 'Strategy of Tension' in Italy involved fake attacks by fascists, almost certainly linked with the government - and these included murderous mass killings like the Bologna Train Station attack - in order to justify more draconian security measures aimed at the left. There were letter bombs by fascists pretending to be anarchists at Genoa around the time of the G8 protests in 2001, and a couple of years ago, the right had a campaign of mass-generation of twitter accounts ostensibly claiming to be Antifa in order to discredit and confuse people. That habit hasn't entirely stopped either. Here's an instance of a false flag from fascists referencing BLM and Antifa and the George Floyd protests that was caught by Facebook and reported by the press just a couple of weeks ago: https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-antifa-twitter-fake/fact-check-antifa-twitter-account-that-called-for-violence-was-fake-idUSKBN23B2TY False flags do exist, and they're a common part of far-right politics. One reason why the right are so keen to accuse the left of false flags is exactly one of projection - they do it so often themselves. And if you're familiar with left wing politics, it's generally rather easy to spot the forgeries because the right are generally pretty terrible at play-acting as the left. You have to be gullible as shit - or plain dead ignorant - to think that anti-fascists or BLM activists support killing white people or 'white policemen'. While some parts of the left do hold genuinely silly ideas, if you know what ideas they actually hold, then you can easily spot the ones that are propaganda forgeries. The Robert the Bruce statue vandalism is almost certainly not from a genuine BLM supporter.

Until we catch the scrote in question, obviously I don't have proof. Likewise, though, you have no evidence that this IS from a BLM supporter. We have to go with what's apparent from the public information. There's nobody in the BLM movement (other than this phoney graffiti artist) who has any gripe with Robert the Bruce, the statue in question doesn't appear on their list of dodgy statues, and there is evidence posted earlier in this thread of fake BLM/Antifa propaganda flyers almost certainly from the far right, aimed at discrediting BLM with fake and contentious ideas. It fits the modus operandi of the far right more than it fits that of Black Lives Matter.

Not really. Nobody thinks Robert the Bruce was a racist. Not BLM people, and not even the fannies who wrote the graffiti, who were just doing it as some kind of rounabout smear aimed at discrediting BLM.

Isn't that what's happening when the far-right fight the police?

It's not a confirmatory vote. These were two separate, if linked, issues. 'What happens if the season ends early?' and 'Does the season end now?'. And the reason you don't understand the thinking of Heart of Midlothian football club is that, in common with all other Hearts fans, you've spent the last 3 months in a hysterical overdose of desperate, wishful and unrealistic thinking, while the people running the club have a bunch of obligations and responsibilities which keep them tethered somewhere closer to reality. From the best economic and public health and government information around, there was no realistic prospect of playing out the end of the season, so Hearts did what everyone knew was the most sensible thing and stopped the season. For added bonus points, the people inside Hearts also know that legal action is almost certainly a dead loss, but they may have to go along with the delusions of the fanbase in order to stave off a possible 'sack the board' campaign.

The 'rushed through in 48 hours' vote wasn't the vote to end the season. That was the vote to decide how to divvy up the points if the season ended early. It didn't end the season early. The 'end the season' vote for the Premiership came much later and, to date, there has been no public dispute about the conduct of it. and it was unanimous, with Hearts voting for it, even when it knew the result of the prior vote. If you, or Hearts, are contending that the season should have been played out to completion, you have absolutely zero moral or legal leg to stand on, since Hearts actually supported it at the time, without any complaints.

When you say 'a choice was made', you're handwaving the fact that it was made by Hearts, among others. Can Hearts sue themselves for halting the season?

How do Hearts get compensation for the premature relegation, given that they voted to end the season prematurely, knowing in advance that it would result in their relegation?

The official one is going to be Christian Doidge, whenever that is or was. But there will be an unofficial asterisk beside his title, thanks to yer man Jonathan Obika.

Not to mention that the teams would need to hire players with the income they're not getting, since a pile of loan and contract expiries kicked in about 3 days ago. Either that or they could have 'easily' played football before the end of last month in defiance of government movement restrictions and the prevailing health advice. Some people may have died, but that's a chance that bennett was willing to take to resurrect Rangers' tiny chance of beating Celtic this year.

I can't see what the Ayr chairman is supposed to have said wrong that they're all so upset about. He's just agreed that more away supporters bring in more money to his club and he would welcome that. Was it not only the Premiership clubs that voted on the proposal to call the Premiership season, in which case Ayr had no involvement? Apparently he suggested that Hearts fans might be prone to taking a huff and boycotting away grounds, to which ridiculous slander Kickback has taken umbrage, and decided to, err, take a huff and boycott Somerset Park.

I'd assume that a successful investment trust manager like James Anderson considers hoors and ching to be a necessary business expense.

I reckon that at some point over the 4 years, this face who keeps showing up on matchday in the director's box would get known to the people who worked at Tynecastle, and the word would have surely leaked out as to who he was. You're absolutely certain that it was the SPFL that blew this guy's identity within 24 hours, but you're finding it hard to believe that the entirety of Heart of Midlothian Football Club with it's rolling turnover of dozens of staff members might have some significant chance of leaking the identity of their high-profile multi-million pound donor, over a period of about 4 years - or that this Anderson guy blew his own cover. You have some bizarre sense of absolute faith in the absolute honour and rectitude of Heart of Midlothian football club, of all organizations, I'll give you that.

Oliver Bozanic, Clevid Dikamona, Jay Nwanze, Brodie Strang, Craig Levein, Austin MacPhee, Jack Wilson, Donis Avdijaj, Daniel Baur, Marcel Langer, Steven MacLean, Alex Petkov, Kelby Mason, Dean Ritchie, Rory Currie, Ryotaro Meshino, Joel Pereira and Toby Sibbick. Sun is reporting 18 people, sorry. As for your second point, the donor was known to frequent the director's box at games, and almost certainly got to meet all the players as part of being wined and dined at Tynecastle. He's almost certainly met every first team player as well as the managing staff, and of course people in a workplace gossip to one another. It's unlikely that none of the seventeen or eighteen folk knew.

Plenty of people call their friendly newspapers when they have something to say. It's one of the ways journalists get their stories. But to entertain you, there are other obvious suspects. Remember, Neil Doncaster talking to the donor wasn't the only relevant thing that happened in Gorgie recently. You know what else happened in Heart of Midlothian football club over the weekend? Fifteen players got fired, as well as Craig Levein and Austin MacPhee. It's quite likely that at least some of them knew who the donor was (can't imagine that Craig Levein, Director of Football, was out of the loop as to where his transfer funds were coming from, for instance), and it's also quite likely that some of them kept a grudge against Hearts, and it's only yesterday that they could spill the beans without losing their last paycheque. Even if you're just going by the apparently coincidental timing, you've still got seventeen obvious suspects for an unwanted outing, not including people at the SPFL end, or Anderson himself.