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26 minutes ago, houston_bud said:
The referee was pathetic today. Hemming's booking was a joke, the players weren't even in position and he was pulling the card out. It was ironic as the person on the park that wasted the most time was the referee, quibbling over a yard at a throw in. All of that went out the window in stoppage time though.
Agree about Beck, he should've walked.
As for the goal that wasn't, I've no idea if it was over. Although I'm pretty sure with goal line reviews they don't call the referee to review it.
Having checked IFAB, it doesn’t seem to clarify whether they should or shouldn’t check it. I think for the fact we sat for a good two mins waiting for a decision if there was any doubt they really should just get him to have a look at it.
I think Sportscene this evening might be interesting…unless of course they just gloss over anything contentious like they usually do to spare the ref’s blushes.
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Excellent first half, and probably should have been further ahead at HT. Second half we looked a lot flatter, but another result in the bag.
Shocking performance from the referee today. Pedantic about the wrong things…pulling St Mirren players back half a yard for throws and booking Hemming for apparently timewasting and yet on the big stuff very poor.
Not seen the Dundee penalty decision back but from the BBC point of view it’s been very soft, which would suggest why none of the Dundee players claimed for it. A good save from Hemming though!Our one looked as though it should have been a clear dive into handball and yet not even a VAR review.
Suggestion that their goal was a handball, and no on field review. If the VAR team think it’s worth notifying the referee then he needs to at least be taking a look at the video before making a decision.
As for our third goal, sat in the main stand almost in line it looked to have crossed, the BBC say it looked to have crossed, and yet again he doesn’t feel it’s worth reviewing the footage. The other question has to be if the ball didn’t cross the line, was there a potential penalty for Greive?
And finally the foul on Olusanya…the player booked immediately before it and no second yellow? I’d have argued that a reckless challenge with no prospect of getting the ball, and a player otherwise in a one on one position has to at the very least be a booking.
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30 minutes ago, glenburn bud said:
No chance they still owe us for the shambles of that useless cretin Stubbs allowing Ross Stewart to move to Dingwall for about 40 k
Was it not the board’s usual price of 50p and a couple of caramel Freddos?
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26 minutes ago, McG said:
New home shirt is smart, the away strip is even better.
On par with last year’s belter?
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Let’s vote to end the league now...Saints for European glory!
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You’re all hitting the nail on the head...
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10 hours ago, djchapsticks said:
This is him calm.
#serenity
Spectacular stuff there.
Did nobody tell this thunderc*nt that “I want” doesn’t get?
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Not winning the battle but still trying to win the war...maybe Budgie should have just told the truth!
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Nice to see BonniePrinceRedDot is out in force this morning.
Would you care for some reasoned argument?Some intelligent discussion? A bit of banter (what I’m led to believe forums are for)? Nah, f**k it...I’ve got a red dot and know how to use it. Just aim indiscriminately at anyone who disagrees with my world view and pull the trigger!
#sad
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9 hours ago, 8GamesToGo said:
You act like this is about being relegated. Every single Hearts fan would have accepted the normal relegation we were heading for. Hearts were in the championship not that long ago. It was quite fun as I remember. How was it for you?
This is about not piling on extra harm to some clubs only (while others benefit - I'm looking at Hamilton for one) during a fucking economic crisis.
Okay...for the first time in a long time you’ve actually raised something resembling a good point, though judging by your other posts in the last 12hrs it seems it was by complete accident while spewing your usual tripe.
So if this whole situation isn’t entirely about self interest on the part of Hearts and Partick Thistle but is actually a thinly veiled crusade against the idea of some clubs benefitting from the Covid-19, I’m assuming you would be delighted with and wholly accept if the league said that your relegation was to stand, but that they would reinstate the play off matches for those who were in the relevant positions at the date games finished?
As HoM are the last bastion of integrity in Scottish football I’m sure they would sleep soundly knowing that their hard work and effort over the past three months did nothing to change their own fate, but instead was altruism of the highest order on behalf of clubs who “may” have been promoted via the playoffs.
Or theres option B, where if any of this happened you would still be on here whining like a b*tch with a skint knee because it ‘isn’t fair’, or because everyone else in the league didn’t back your CEOs crackpot reconstruction plans, or because the SPFL are a secretive cabal run by the Illuminati who are trying to destroy HoMFC, or whatever other mind-bending theory you have that day.
Please, if not for the sake of your own mental health then at least for mine as I feel I’m dropping at least 50IQ points everytime I read one of your comments...f*ck back off under whichever bridge you came from!
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2 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said:
Duly amended...
So that puts St Mirren on 4 with the Anglo-Scottish Cup win in 1980...
Or six if you count the Anglo Scottish Challenge Cup win in 1959, and the win on away goals in 1987 against Coventry!
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Did @8GamesToGo get banned or did he just take my advice when I told him to go back under his bridge? I don’t think he’s been on or commented since...
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1 minute ago, DA Baracus said:
Sure St Mirren smashed them 8-0.
Yeah, that was the 1999-2000 season we won the championship...though it was closely followed by our own embarrassment against them where we played them at Cappielow and drew 0-0 after being forced to wear day-glo yellow Morton tops as the kitman brought the wrong strips!
*shudders!
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14 hours ago, 8GamesToGo said:Every fucking season Rangers and/or Celtic talk about wanting to leave Scottish football for England. Every fucking season. What would that do to Scottish football given the SPL/SFA were talking about armageddon for clubs with no Rangers in the top league.
Nothing. no punishment. No threats for bringing the game into disrepute. f**k off. Imagine Hearts threatening to destroy (according to the SFA) the Scottish game like that, and actively working behind the scenes to make it happen, year after year.
Because at the end of the day for all their bluster and shite-talking neither Celtic nor Rangers have actually carried through with their empty threats, primarily because they know the English FA wouldn’t take them and secondly because if they did they’d be getting pumped sideways every week off teams like Wigan!
Whereas, there was a specific rule stating you couldn’t go to court without going through arbitration first and your fucknugget of a CEO thought “Screw that, I’m doing it anyway!” That’s a breach of the terms and conditions your club signed up for as a member of the SFA and likely constitutives a breach of contract as well. You deserve everything the SFA throw at you! Nice of you to drag Partick down with you though!
And before you come back with ‘Lord Clark said this...’, I listened to the whole proceedings, and he said nothing of the sort. He merely said that it might be something to look at potentially in future, but I doubt a court would overturn such a contractual obligation which had such clearly detailed consequences and yet your club signed up for.
You didn’t stand up for yourselves, you shot you own foot off with a shotgun to prove how “hard” you were, and then complained when you realised the weapon was loaded and blamed someone else for your injuries!
I’d recommend you just go back under whatever bridge from whence you came...
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1 hour ago, 8GamesToGo said:
If only there had been a sensible, workable alternative that punished no teams unfairly and rewarded some other teams not currently in this fight.
Like charging Hearts and Partick for breaching rules they signed up to abide by and punishing both to the fullest available extent...by getting them both in the f*cking sea?
Not even Lord Clark could prevent that one. At the end of the day your club signed up for it as a member of the SFA, a members only club. You can’t refuse to follow the rules and expect to still be a member of the club.
I bet in 50yrs time you’ll be remembered in the same way Third Lanark are now. Enjoy the wilderness...
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4 hours ago, Andy groundhopper said:
Think they've come to realise that the courts didn't want to change the world to suit Hearts, maybe they'll get compensated with 'parachute' money, but at the end - go and win the Championship, enjoy celebrating for a change. Most decisions covid19 have been poor for football, let's just look forward (hopefully) to next season actually starting.
They hope...
Wouldn’t it be just terrible now they’ve went down, with all of that investment and the parachute payment, and played the way they did this season...properly align themselves with Partick Thistle and end up playing in the Seaside leagues in a few seasons!
That would be the new textbook definition of natural justice...
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43 minutes ago, 8GamesToGo said:
Maybe the clubs should have made their positions clear then instead of pretending they might go for it. They should have to publish their reasons for opposition or support for whatever proposals are put in front of them IMO. Not sure "fucking over Caley Thistle/Hearts/PT/Stranraer" would be a valid one at arbitration. Hopefully it's in the documents and meeting minutes and whatever our legal team get to see.
Clubs could have a multitude of reasons for decided to vote against the proposals for reconstruction, including...
1. The proposals presented were ill conceived, poorly presented, and provided little to no detail of the benefits or drawback associated. They were submitted purely for the purpose of keeping Hearts in the top flight and not for the greater benefit.
2. The redistribution of prize money would have resulted in many clubs being worse off. That might not have a massive impact on clubs like Hearts who have a multi millionaire willing to spunk his money up the wall bankrolling you, but to smaller provincial clubs that could make a massive difference to long term survival.
3. Maybe the didn’t see the much touted ‘sporting integrity’ in changing a whole league set up for the benefit of only a few clubs
4. Maybe they wanted reconstruction but a proper planned and thought out approach rather than just forcing it through quickly because Hearts and Thistle wanted it.
Anyway, forcing any club to publicly acknowledge what way they voted full stop never mind justifying the reason for their vote could actually prove to be ‘prejudicial conduct’, and may force a club to disclose matters relating to their own business which they are under not obligation to disclose and could be harmful to their financial status. (Eg, a club states they voted against it because changes in prize money allocations may affect their ability to keep trading)
Just a reminder, prejudicial conduct is exactly what your club are complaining about In their arbitration hearing...yet you’ve just said such action is totally fine?
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27 minutes ago, 8GamesToGo said:
Using your boss analogy, you've a company of 42 people. A pandemic hits. Do you fire the worst performing 3 to keep paying everyone else as close to what they'd expect as possible - without even discussing alternative options, or do you ask all 42 to take a smaller hit to look after everyone?
Happens frequently...not specifically for a pandemic, but in most situations where the company is taking a financial hit then yes, lay off some of the worst performing staff and try your best to keep the company afloat for the benefit of the other employees, management, the owner, and the customers!
Unfortunately you seem to missing the bigger picture with your analogy. If Hearts and Thistle are the unlucky employees to be laid off in hard times then usually you would be able to go look for a job elsewhere.
In this case, by effectively taking a sh*te on the managers desk because you were unhappy with being unlucky enough to be laid off you’ve scuppered any chance of being re-employed by that company (the SPFL won’t reinstate you); your references for going elsewhere won’t be worth the paper they’re written on (your reputation is shot to hell); no other companies will take you (unless the EoS league are looking?); and you’ll forever be remembered as the twat that shat on the desk out of petulance (and fans of other clubs have long memories...this will be a source of p*ss-taking for way longer than ‘86).
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10 hours ago, 500ClubCraig said:
Glad to have got such a warm welcome.
I was making the point that whilst multiple clubs are blaming each other - “Doncaster, nobody seems to be laying the blame at his door yet the farcical resolution forced through by him and his SPFL Board is the reason Scottish Professional Football is in this mess. “
Wasn’t having a go at any other clubs specifically, don’t agree with most of the sentiment on JKB at present but can see how the strength of feeling there has got to this point.
The SPFL clubs pay ND in excess of £7k per week and should be expecting a whole lot more than he has delivered.
As for me making racial remarks? Not aware that I had and certainly never purposely did so.
Whatever the outcome of Arbitration the game as a whole has a very challenging period ahead as does the whole of society, how well and how quickly Scottish Football heals these wounds could prove critical.
Apologies. The guy in charge of rolling out the red carpet and dispensing chilled Sancerre is on furlough at the moment. As soon as the lockdown is lifted we’ll get cracking on the welcoming committee.
Why are Hearts fans so insistent that Doncaster is to blame? He put the resolution to a vote, and it was voted through by the majority of clubs, including Hearts! He and the board have only acted on the decisions of and in the best interests of all forty-two clubs, but because HoM have some siege mentality they think they’re being hard done by. If you’re so desperate for someone to blame maybe point the finger at “successful businesswoman” Ann Budge, who hired Levein as manager, let him spunk the third biggest bill in Scottish football on wasters, journeymen, and drama queens and then kept him in post while they played rank rotten? Then, when she finally realised he was useless, replaced him with Stendel, who wasn’t much better. Due to poor management, your team pissed 8.5Million of Anderson’s money up the wall and managed to win four games all season. She managed to cock up building a new stand so spectacularly, and even managed to make sure her brother made a profit from it. Any other club doing that would be baying for blood, and yet your ragtag maroon army of self pitying moonhowlers are so blitheringly oblivious that Budge has you believing she’s doing a great job.
Using the argument for ‘strength of feeling’ won’t win you too much favour here either. Supporting a club is one thing, but some of the comments from Hearts fans making direct threats to fans, players and management of clubs who voted against reconstruction (because the proposed ideas were sh*te; not because of some anti-jambo conspiracy) is unjustifiable. I feel strongly about lots of things, but it doesn’t give me the excuse to be an ars*hole to everyone else because I have such strong feelings, nor does it make whatever I’m saying right!
Your last paragraph is the most sensible thing you’ve said since joining, and I agree. These divisions are going to take a lot of healing, but until Hearts as a club and as a fanbase accept that there’s no blame to apportion and that the rest of Scottish Football did nothing wrong then I’m afraid they’ll always end up as a bit of a pariah...not so dissimilar to Sevco.
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4 minutes ago, 500ClubCraig said:
Pot...Kettle...outdated racial remarks!
You’ve been on this forum for all of ten minutes and every post you’ve made has been debunked a thousand times in the nearly 700 pages prior to your arrival.
Try come up with something original and maybe I’ll care about your opinion, or what point you’re trying (read as failing) to make...
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1 hour ago, 500ClubCraig said:
Had the music stopped after 38 games you would be correct.
Surely this argument is dead, there’s no way the games could have been played...but do feel free to keep digging!
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9 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said:
Is that possible? Neither party has any right to appeal?
Arbitration is legally binding in Scotland. Should Hearts and Thistle’s arguments fail in arbitration and the SPFL win the case then the only recourse would be to claim that the process of arbitration was unfair in itself, not the actual details of the case itself.
Lord Clark has stated that the arbitration should be carried out by an independent panel overseen by legally competent person so it’s unlikely they’ll have any argument to make.
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The only thing Lord Clark has done so far is say he cannot legally dismiss the case.
From what I’m hearing I’d say it’s going to court ordered arbitration as detailed in the SFA Articles of Association which have been judged as incorporated in the SPFL rules , and the decision from that will be legally binding. He has acknowledged it is for the tribunal to hear the arguments and make a determination based on the arguments, not the courts.
This will be concluded at the earliest opportunity, and then we can put this whole sorry saga behind us, and hopefully punish Hearts and Partick Thistle to the fullest extent for the breach of rules for failing to go to arbitration in the first place.
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1 hour ago, JTS98 said:
1) Yes. But with a 3/4 season. That was never the deal when we kicked off last season. I think anybody can see, regardless of the legalities, that that is off. Hearts are having the goalposts moved on them twice. Firstly by being relegated on a season shortened by 20%, then by being put into a reduced league.
2) I'd advise a 'wait and see' on that one. I think it would be naive to assume Premiership clubs are not investigating the possibility of switching off relegation for a year. Why wouldn't they try?
3) Yes, but they'll have Premiership tv money. Hearts will lose that, plus be put into a shortened Championship season It's a double lose.
4) I don't see on what basis, but up to them.
5) Hearts disagree with that. The financial implications of being in next season's second tier as opposed to first tier are quite obvious.
1. Your team were pish all season. Even without COVID-19, the consequences of being pish were that your team would be relegated. Maybe instead of complaining about the fair relegation, Hearts fans should point the finger blame at the club’s players and management?
2. Your team being pish isn’t excused by what the English leagues do to their pish teams.
3. If you’re too pish to stay in the Premiership you don’t get the biggest TV money.
4. Any other teams complaints have as much legal standing as Hearts and Thistle’s...which is nil. I listened all day to the court case today, and in that time I heard very little from their legal team to suggest anything otherwise.
5. Hearts can disagree all they like. Unfortunately taking in less money is a consequence of being in a lower league and playing smaller clubs. Hearts are not being singled out by this as a number of clubs (including my own) have spent significant time there in the past few years. Was the loss of earnings unfair? No...because had your team been less pish you wouldn’t be dropping into the Championship in the first place.
As far as Hearts fans go, you’ve been one of the more rational and reasonable ones til now, but trying to justify any of the above is laughable. If this were any other club in your situation you’d be quite rightly ripping them for the way your club and fans have reacted.
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The St. Mirren FC 2023/24 thread
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Twitter seems to be reporting we’re about to take Yutaro Odu on loan from hearts…which seems like a strange one?