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1 hour ago, aidan-bufc said:
Very different case in fairness as it was neither clubs ground and Queen’s Park might’ve started playing at the ground midway through the season.
There will probably be a priority club set at the beginning of the season for every ground when it comes to ground sharing.
Syngenta had priority over Queens park as their agreement with Stenhousemuir pre-dated the agreement with Queens Park. If there was a fixture clash QP had to pay Syngenta and their opposition to move Syngenta's fixture - usually to the Friday.
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41 minutes ago, ClydeTon said:
Unfortunately we have a situation where Goodwillie is the only one being called out. They all should be.
However, to say that Goodwillie, the highest profile of them all, should get away with it because the "who are they?" ones do sets a precedent that nobody wants.
Sometimes making an example out of someone is necessary.
I see your point but I disagree. This will go the way these these things always seem to go:-
We recognise football has a problem with the character of some of its players.
We identify Goodwillie as representing that problem.
We hound him out of the game.
We all feel that our righteous indignation has been satisfied and go away knowing that football is in a better state.
Other players get to fly on under the radar and football continues to have the same problem.
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David Goodwillie is no better or worse than many guys playing football in the Scottish pyramid. There are players with actual convictions - sex, drugs and domestic abuse among them - taking the field each week with nary a word spoken and no thought given to their victims or those who might have to come into contact with them, let alone Councils and others acting outraged at their presence on Council facilities.
Lets not pretend that this is all out of principle. NLC, who threatened to terminate their lease with Clyde when he re-signed for them, said nothing during his first spell. The Clyde Women's team who resigned en masse had joined the club when he was there, some of them when he was captain. I also wonder how many folk on here, outraged at Goodwillie, mourned the passing of Adam Strachan never having spoken out against him continuing to play football, despite his "troubled past" which involved repeated convictions for domestic abuse and drug dealing.
Football is full of bad people. It is often some of the worst that can kick a ball and are lauded for it, their particular sins being overlooked when expedient. Surely the same standards should be applied to all, or to none?
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14 hours ago, Burnieman said:
The EoS are now a lot more stringent when it comes to new applicants and their facilities, from what I can gather it loosely mirrors what an SFA licence would demand with regards to dressing room/referee facilities, perimeter fencing, toilet facilities, catering etc. A 3g cage is getting nowhere near membership, which puzzles me when it comes to Rosyth's intended move to one.
They're also getting a bit tougher on existing members, hence why Rosyth's position is precarious, and Peebles are apparently faced with a move. Stirling Uni Reserves must also be under a bit of pressure, their facilities are basic in the extreme.
Not sure the EoS's view when it comes to ground sharing, particularly on non-3g pitches eg Edinburgh South.
I find Rosyth's position very confusing. They know what the EOS requires and the need for a compliant ground was being talked about with Fife Council years ago. Surely they wouldn't have agreed to the current plans without checking with the league? However, the new ground doesn't appear to comply with the requirements so have the league signed off on it?
The problem with established clubs (and Rosyth are an established club albeit only recently in to the EOS league) is what you do if this is the best they can get, through no fault of their own, particularly if did have a compliant ground until they were forced out. There is no Junior league to go to, there is just the pyramid. Are you really going to force them to fold if they don't meet all of the ground requirements?
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14 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said:
It's a particular dig at Inverkeithing or how they operate. From what's been said they got into the EoSFL back in 2018 with a very poor ground that would lead to many speculating if they would have gotten in a year later.
In the next few years didn't hear about any real ground improvements. Then they moved to Dalgety Sports Centre in 2021. So what exactly was the plan?
As turning up Dalgety wasn't something that was talked about, and also had the effect of seeing other clubs squeezed out.
Ballast bank wasn't properly enclosed and the dressing rooms were a distance from the pitch but in those respects it was no worse than Peebles Rovers and that doesn't seem to bother anyone too much.
The Swifts' plan was to improve Ballast Bank but the Council, for the sake of a couple of days per year - Inverkeithing Highland Games and and an annual car rally - wouldn't let them do what they needed to do, so they moved. There is no doubt that dalgety Bay is a better venue for pyramid football.
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15 hours ago, Salvo Montalbano said:
Will be rubbish if its just a cage and an artificial pitch. Surely a wee stand or an enclosure or something and a dedicated toilet block and catering outlet rather than using the communal changing facilities should be a minimum. Can't see the Mastertons helping out much though.
I believe that there will be toilets and a catering outlet within the enclosed area around the pitch. No stand or enclosure that I am aware of but I was told that there will be room for one if the club want to do it.
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44 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:
Guess they could always go back to being Jubilee Athletic again, but is this new ground not easy walking distance from Rosyth's railway station?
15 to 20 minute walk. The new ground isn't in Rosyth but its about as close as you could get and not really any further from the centre of Rosyth than the Fleet Grounds.
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Anyone who has caused a club to fold, unnecessarily, mid-season with all the costs and inconvenience that results in, should not be allowed anywhere near any other club in the league.
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2 hours ago, highlandcowden said:
so the problem in this pyramid is,really,the LL
No. The problem is the junior clubs who stuck their heads in the sand for several years, joined the pyramid late and now don't like the consequences of that.
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I have had a look at the Rosyth plans on the Fife Council website. I hope there is more to it than shown, or that they already have EoS approval, because on the face of it the new set up is no better than the Fleet Grounds or, for that matter, Letham who were, of course, refused entry.
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I have been avoiding my Cowdenbeath supporting colleague today as I was at the game and I'm afraid he'll ask me what I thought of it. I knew there would be a dip in standard but I was shocked at how much.
If that is anywhere near Cowden's starting eleven for the season be very, very afraid. The first half was pretty poor all round but Lochore were definitely the better team in the second with the best chances and a good shout for a 2nd penalty. There was virtually no cohesion about the Cowdenbeath team and they badly need a few experienced players to provide a backbone and some guidance on the park to the youngsters.
The more the game went on the more convinced I became that there will be some big defeats - double figures, I reckon - from the better teams in the League. That's two draws against East of Scotland opposition, both playing their first friendly this season, and that is about their level at the moment.
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13 hours ago, Dev said:
Dunbar United, Inverkeithing Hillfield Swifts, Arniston Rangers, St Andrews United and Bathgate Thistle so far have shown interest in joining the Under 20's League.
Swifts have been in it since they joined the EoS. However, Rosyth have announced that they will have an U20's team next season.
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17 hours ago, Dev said:
This is a mess made by the clubs so they can, if they wish, acknowledge that it needs sorting out by the up-coming AGM.
The all Lothians Conference "X" was always going to tempt fate re no new applicants from outside the Lothians let alone none from within the area. It was seen coming as a possibility but the issue was dodged - hoping new clubs would turn up. I hoped they would too but it's not the case and the EoS needs to deal with the situation straight away. It's the only thing that they've got wrong and they need to man-up and put it right as suggested in my previous post.
Don't care if you don't like it folks. Deal with it.
Even the WoS is considering placing new clubs at the same level as the bottom layer of existing clubs.
Congratulations, by the way, to Blackburn United on battling hard and avoiding the drop!
There is no mess. Every club is in the position it would have been in if Covid hadn't prevented the formation of Premier, First and Second divisions when originally planned. Two, maybe three, of the Conference X clubs will be promoted.
Sure, it isn't ideal that the entirety of the new Third division will be from West Lothian but it is not the the League's fault that the dinosaurs survived longer in West Lothian than anywhere else.
There has been no animosity shown by the EoS towards these former junior clubs. That cannot always be said to have been true the other way. Despite that, no club has been punished and no club has been disadvantaged. That is the very opposite of the EoS getting it wrong.
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A bit of deflection from the Lowland League here, I think. This has been talked about for months but yesterday was the first time I had seen anyone say it was still subject to SFA approval. If players and clubs have made plans based on being led to believe that this was a done deal, they weren't being misled by the SFA.
In the meantime, all of the players born in 2002 have just seen up to 500 potential competitors, for promotion to their first teams next year, disappear! Its an ill wind that blows nobody any good.
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On 13/06/2021 at 22:11, HibeeJibee said:
Weekend results/5 missing:
Friday 11th June
Tranent 4-1 Edinburgh United
Saturday 12th June
Bo'ness Athletic 3-2 Lochore Welfare
Coldstream 2-4 Tranent
Fauldhouse United 3-2 Leith Athletic
Forfar United 1-1 Newburgh
Glenrothes 1-3 Thornton Hibs
Haddington Athletic 0-1 Musselburgh Athletic
Harthill Royal ?-? Stoneyburn
Heriot-Watt University 7-0 Tweeddale Rovers AFC
Inverkeithing Hillfield Swifts ?-? Duloch AFC
Kennoway Star Hearts 2-0 Burntisland Shipyard
Kilsyth Rangers P-P Dunipace
Kirkcaldy & Dysart ?-? Benarty Astros
Kirkcaldy & Dysart v Lochgelly United AFC
Livingston United 6-0 Scone Thistle
Ormiston 7-2 Gala Fairydean Rovers
Pumpherston 4-2 Edinburgh United
Rosyth 2-3 Kinnoull
St Andrews United 0-3 Newtongrange Star
Sauchie 4-5 Darvel
Spartans 2-2 Lothian Thistle HV
Syngenta 4-3 Gartcairn
Threave Rovers 0-2 Whitehill Welfare
West Calder United 2-5 Thorniewood United
Whitburn A-A Camelon
Sunday 13th June
West Calder United ?-? Thorniewood AFCKirkcaldy & Dysart 2-1 Benarty Astros. A couple of well taken free kicks - one for either side - in the first half and a goal for Kirkcaldy from open play in the second half having earlier missed a penalty.
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18 hours ago, gm_1982 said:
Think you need to bare in mind that this is the actions of one or two individuals on the board and doesn’t represent any of the supporters, or anyone else at the club for that matter.Of course it does. Your season ticket holders own the club and elect the committee. It is literally the chosen representatives of the supporters that have done this.
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Here is the original proposal for which planning permission was granted, I understand, in about April 2018.
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3 hours ago, AlanCamelonfan said:
If u go on fife council website the current planning permission was only passed on november 2020
That was the amendment. The original permission dated from April 2018.
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20 hours ago, Dev said:
If construction hasn't started is there a set date when the planning consent expires?
Yes, but there was an amendment to the application last year and I think that extends the planning permission for 3 years. I am not a planning lawyer so I am not 100% sure on this. I also heard it suggested that if some prep work had been done at the site (and I think it has) that would be enough to satisfy the time limit. Either way I am pretty sure that the planning permission is not about to expire.
Of more concern to Rosyth is that their current ground doesn't meet EOS requirements as it stands and they need to demonstrate some progress towards meeting the criteria.
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23 hours ago, Dev said:
Has the supermarket been built yet or has work started on it?
Not yet.
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Rosyth had no choice - Fife Council terminated the lease of Recreation Park once the planning permission was granted for a supermarket utilising the land. Promises were made verbally but not kept. (Yes, I know. I'm a lawyer and you don't need to tell me about getting things in writing.) A planning condition imposed on the developer said that the developers had to enter a legally binding agreement with the Council involving provision of a replacement pitch. This has never happened. To be fair to the local Counclllors they know the club has been shafted and, regardless of party affiliation, have all supported a motion calling on the Council and the developers to provide the ground before the supermarket can be built. The club is pushing hard for a solution.
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On 05/03/2021 at 16:55, Cyclizine said:
LFT misses about 60% of asymptomatic cases in the real world and a nearly a third of those with high viral loads who are the most infectious. The mass use of LFT is not without controversy and arguably they shouldn't be used for mass testing despite the government push.
Why would PCR use inflate the number of cases? It is more sensitive and specific than LFT. A positive in an asymptomatic person is highly likely to be a true positive and a negative a true negative.
PCR tests don't look for active, transmittable virus at all, but for traces of coronavirus dna. That means they can pick up on people who have previously had covid but recovered: previously had covid but had no symptoms: have current exposure to the covid virus but not enough to be ill or infectious and people who had a cold or flu caused by a different coronavirus.
WHO recommends that PCR tests should only be used to confirm a disease in someone already showing symptoms and not as the sole diagnostic tool. The NHS switched away from them because so many staff who were not infectious were having to self isolate.
Any way, we now have further scientific confirmation of what Jason Leitch was saying months ago - football is a low risk activity. There should be no need for testing at all.
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3 hours ago, Dev said:
"When levels of virus are at their highest and people are most likely to pass on the disease, lateral flow tests can detect the vast majority of cases."
Would this make lateral flow testing more appropriate for use with football excluding spectators?
It makes Lateral Flow Testing more appropriate all round. LFT tests are used by the NHS to test staff and are the tests being used in schools. PCR tests have been widely - and wrongly -used on folk who don't have symptoms thus inflating the number of "cases." They are also more expensive than LFT's so the Scottish government insisting that football use them is just perverse.
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Worth remembering that, at the point the season started for most, cases in Scotland were 5 times what they are right now, and rising, with no vaccine. If it was OK to start the season in October it is most certainly OK to restart it now with cases down, falling and vaccines having a further dramatic impact -variants or no variants.
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Rosyth FC have folded
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I think Rosyth just ran out of options.
They can't get the Rec back because it's still wanted for some kind of development and, in any event, all the former club buildings have been removed and the pitch ruined.
They can't make Fleet Grounds EOS compliant (an option they had seriously looked at and was do-able) because Fife Council are building a new school at the site which will have its own Astro etc and they won't agree to money being invested in what would be competition.
They can't share the former Civil Service club with Dunfermline Athletic because The Pars, having originally been open to such an arrangement changed their mind and don't want them there.
They can't use Pitreavie (which I didn't think was EOS compliant but the club chairman is on record saying it had been approved by the league) because the financial goalposts were moved so far at the last minute that it was simply unaffordable.
I don't think any one person or organisation is solely to blame, although Fife Council started the whole saga by terminating the club lease for a development which still hasn't happened and then put obstacles in the way of the Fleet Grounds option. However, every other party in the saga has just seen the club as a burden and despite all of the elected Councillors being supportive, ultimately all the other parties were prepared to sacrifice the club to protect their own interests.