Kirk St Moritz
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2 minutes ago, fatbadger442 said:
He isn't "fully against". He is objecting to the possibility of a pyramid review that may suggest increased tier4/5 relegation/promotion. He is being an opportunist, using the anger against the B teams to gain support for his own self-interested status quo.
Spot on. And the amount of folk buying it is odd, as he's trying to preserve the current difficult route from Tier 5 to 4. (Which incidentally is a harder route that 5 to 6, due to the fact that there is no automatic relegation from Tier 4 to 5)
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As quite a few clubs / posters and fans have stated today, this is happening now, so best to try and make the best of it.
For me, more interestingly now is how quickly this SFA Pyramid review gets started, and in what format. Even those vehemently against B Teams should be using this review as a chance to be heard and really try and force the SFA / SPFL to have a proper look at what the future pyramid looks like and how to improve it.
I'd suggest some broad agreed principles like every champion is promoted in future etc.
I also wonder, if (and its a big IF) such a review does indeed help open up the pyramid further for greater promotion from all Tiers, have the LL done the right thing by engaging B Teams for a short period to help deliver a greater good? Or not?
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How can this happen in a league full of so many "proper teams" and full of "integrity?"
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Commiserations to Glencairn
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Shambles of a League. Who in their right mind would schedule a match for a night like tonight? Everyone saw this coming and it's now a shit show
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5 hours ago, theesel1994 said:
If Largs win against Rob Roy on Saturday they go up into the top half of the League only a couple of points behind Cumnock in 7th. If Rob Roy win they go into that 7th spot. Both have been in the relegation zone for months. I acknowledge that at this late stage of the season both were competing against clubs with only pride to play for.
To be fair, Rob Roy were only in the relegation zone because they had 4-5 games in hand of teams above them like Benburb, Glencairn and Benburb, and they also won 1-0 at Talbot, who still had plenty to play for at the time.
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23 minutes ago, craigkillie said:
Every team in the LL could have applied to join the SFL when Gretna went bust, I don't know what that has to do with anything here.
The Lowland League have nuked every remaining piece of credibility they once had over the last 18 months or so, and I cannot wait to get my grave dancing shoes out when the likes of Vale of Leithen, Gretna, Edusport, Broomhill and East Kilbride eventually plunge to their natural level in the next few years.There wasn't a LL when Gretna went bust, but on you crack. And don't take things so seriously, it's only a game of fitbaw.....
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2 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:
Now they want what everyone has been spent years asking for.
This isn't a new thing. It hasn't anything to do with the WoSFL. The LL can't hide behind that bollocks. The LL has benefited from two COVID curtailed saving clubs from relegation and lined their pockets by accepting in the colts. Not too long ago they were seen as custodians of the pyramid, now they're simply gatekeepers.
The LL League currently offer more promotion and relegation than the HL and the SPFL in the Pyramid, but I would also like to see it open up more.
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19 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:
Quite simply the Lowland league diddies should be told no spfl promotion without them changing. Either that or Wosl just applies to be a proper tier 5 league unlike these donkeys.
Ironically every team in the WOSFL could have applied to be a proper Tier 5 several years ago, but opted not to.
They now want to run the show before even completing a full season in the Pyramid and before they have even balanced their own conferences, which seems premature. But for what it's worth, I think there should be greater promotion and relegation.
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2 minutes ago, Shannon said:
Lowland League board dictated that WOSFL Premier Division has either 5 or 7 relegated this season while they stay at 1 down (maybe). A complete shambles.
No they never, it was the SFA that did this, you are spreading incorrect information.
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Notice the tweet from Pollok is now long gone, possibly embarrassed that someone was using it to shamefully try and sell Amateur players after disbanding their 20's team in March. My nephew plays for a West based Dev League side and apparently the Lowland Dev League will be taking a far tougher stance on all forms of standards next season, as there are toom many teams still acting like boys clubs.
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It was also suggested that they may use a small amount of the monies to improve the social media / website and general Comms, but don't know if this has transpired, although the social media looks better and website now appears to be getting updated quicker and with real time scores
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8 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:
Then the question still stands, what has the LL done with the £50k?
Nothing, yet, or according to the the conversation I heard in January. One guy said they had used some to pay club insurances, but this wasn't confirmed.
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8 minutes ago, Pyramid Watcher said:
The LL received the money sometime ago, it was reported to the clubs.
This is what I have been told by a club official.
I was told the same thing at Peffermill when the League Treasurer was within earshot.
But that probably doesn't fit the fake news agenda of the poster who just claimed otherwise.
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26 minutes ago, Gimme said:6 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said:Anyone know what the LL has done with the £50k yet?
As I understand it the money hadn't been paid a couple of weeks ago, not sure if that's changed.
You appear to be in the know. Is this 100% true?
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35 minutes ago, craigkillie said:
The idea that he was some neutral party just passing on information about this is very clearly nonsense, as evidenced by the fact that he was forced off the board very soon after in relation to how he'd handled it.If a chair is in favour of something happening then they can and frequently do present the situation in a very specific light which suits them. That's why this deal was framed in terms of the mystical £50k and also why the issues regarding the SFA's acceptance of the new rules mysteriously didn't come to light until well after the season had started.
The clubs certainly voted democratically, but much like other bigger democratic processes which happened in this country not so long ago, that doesn't mean they knew exactly what they were voting for.
Not sure what is "mystical" about the £50k.
And the SFA not passing the rules was not declared by the SFA until after the season had started and apparently came as news to everyone. This was the doing and the fault of the SFA. However, the rules were passed, the boundary line is effectively still in place as L2 teams nominated as per status quo, Bonnyrigg have pissed the League and will go forward to play-off as champions, well deserved.
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38 minutes ago, bravehearts dad said:
Limited 250 with the Celts at home and under 1000 against the Gers. When we went to Airdrie to play the Celts they had about 10 fans compared to The Rose 120. When we go to Dumbarton next month I reckon The Rose will provide the majority of the crowd. Last week we had circa 780 against Cumbernauld Colts and as we know they have few fans.
C’mon The Rose
That would indicate that the Rangers game was the biggest attendance of season. Although it did also appear that a higher than usual crowd came to your game against Cumbernauld Colts on a night that the Champion could be declared, which is natural also. So I reckon attendances have been up.
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Non B Teams related - has a venue and date been confirmed for the LL Cup Final? Hoping to get along if its a venue not too far away, ticks another Cup Final box from my list of competitions
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Just now, bravehearts dad said:
Well Fraser ain’t there anymore and hopefully his influence left with him. For me the OF Colts contribution is zero. Taken the piss with fixtures and certainly never brought an increase in gates.
Yeah, the fixturing looks to have been an issue, but I can't agree there has been no increase in gates. What was the biggest home gate in the League at Bonnyrigg this season?
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1 minute ago, drs said:
Democratic?
In what sense of the word was what happened democratic? A complete shitstorm that rightfully cost George Fraser his place.
The sense that all member clubs voted and a majority was established.
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4 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:
And as we know what was presented as fact in the proposal was fiction. Which is why the amended Lowland League rules didn't get signed off until months after the season started, Board members walking away and eventually the LL Chair standing down due to the fall out.
All very democratic.
What was fictional about the proposal?
And I understand the SFA refused to sign off on all rule changes until the LL agreed to the revised Pyramid Play off rules. The clubs still voted democratically
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24 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:
It was from George Fraser sitting on a working group that gave them the idea of doing this for a season. As the longer term plan of introducing Colts into the SPFL wasn't going to happen this season.
I'm pretty sure you'll find quotes out there saying it was the LL that invited the OF in.
EDIT: 05/05/2021
http://slfl.co.uk/discussions-to-invite-rangers-and-celtic-b-teams/
Every club had their vote in a democratic manner. Had there not been a majority in favour, it would not have happened. The way it should be
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14 minutes ago, craigkillie said:
They wouldn't have to make any concessions because the Tier 6 clubs have no say in it whatsoever, as was discovered last year. The only difference will be whether the Old Firm can find another gormless loser like George Fraser who can do their dirty work for them in terms of convincing clubs to vote for it again."Convincing clubs" in what sense? As the Chair surely he was duty bound to pass the information to clubs to allow them to make their own decisions, which they did?
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8 minutes ago, AlansHotBath said:
It was one-off in the sense that the vote to allow them in covered this season only, any further seasons would need another vote.
It would be interesting to see what, if any, votes changed either way and whether clubs felt any genuine benefits from the Colts, or whether it's not worth the hassle for them again.
Exactly, if the League are approached, they are duty bound to inform the clubs and let them have their say, and make a decision if it gets that far.
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Celtic and Hearts B Teams in Lowland League?
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Your first paragraph describes the status quo between tier 4 and 5, which has been in place for 8 years without any serious challenge or any daylihgt.
And i get your second point (although 3 clubs and not 2) but part of me thinks that the LL now needs to make the very most of having the 3 x biggest hitters in the land inside the tent and to use them to try and effect the greater good for all levels of pyramid.