Jeremiah Cole
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20 minutes ago, ayrmad said:
I've already posted some of that, unfortunately you've shown no appetite to accept that your position might be wrong.
I’m the one in the extreme minority trying to argue an alternative view with people who won’t accept that they might be wrong.
And for the sake of healthy debate you think I should accept that my position may be wrong?
yeh, I see your logic there
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5 minutes ago, Detournement said:
There is no evidence that these are short term measures, the CMO said potentially 6 months. Hopefully some restrictions are lifted in May/June but others will obviously last longer.
If it only takes a few hundred cases to tip us into lockdown and economic chaos it's unlikely governments are going to be in a hurry to start letting people go on holiday again.
Indeed. They are going to need to double down on this over reaction for a long time to come in order to justify the damage they have done and the panic they have spread.
Truth and reality will eventually emerge.
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3 minutes ago, welshbairn said:
Utter fuckwits who can't get their head around why they're making space in hospitals can't lose, apart from maybe dying a horrible death. If social isolation works and capacity doesn't get overwhelmed, they'll say told you so, what was all all the fuss about. If it doesn't and there are folk dying without care in the corridors, they'll say told you so, social isolation was a waste of time, as they cough their last breath.
So you’re saying the hospitals in New York are empty as per the video and that they’re just waiting for the rush?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/31/new-york-city-hospitals-coronavirus/?outputType=amp
fuckwits line you are literally killing people by throwing them out of hospitals
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20 minutes ago, WATTOO said:
No surprises at all, I think most of us have been saying for the past couple of weeks that the damage had already been done (especially London) and that the "horrifying" figures wouldn't start to come through until the first couple of weeks in April.
Like everything in this country it's too little too late with Business and the Economy lording it over Health and Welfare.
These numbers are meaningless
They are telling us the numbers dying WITH coronavirus, not OF it
we need to know the excess mortality
i believe the excess mortality in the UK will be zero
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1 minute ago, Sergeant Wilson said:
All hospitals are c!earing beds as much as possible in anticipation of needing them for covid.
New York is currently the world epicentre
allegedly
folk need to start waking up
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Confirms what I’ve been hearing about hospitals in Scotland today.
The RAH and the Queen Elizabeth Uni in Govan have never been quieter
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5 minutes ago, MixuFixit said:
I'm not trying to convince anyone of it though.Neither am I
I’m just putting out the information and asking questions.
Up to people to make up their own minds.
If folk want to hurl abuse at me then fine.
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5 minutes ago, MixuFixit said:
If I genuinely thought some terrible mistake had been made by almost every chief medical officer in the world about coronavirus I'm not totally sold on the medium of P&B to persuade and disseminate this, presumably vital, information
The more people start to ask questions, the better.
A couple of weeks ago folk were sceptical of everything the government came out with.
Now everyone seems to be accepting what they are saying without question.
The tide will turn soon enough and the backtracking will begin.
They’ve already started telling us that there are green shoots, that we’ve not to pay too much attention to large daily death figures.
Next they’ll tell us that the lockdown has worked better than expected and tell us how successful they were in saving so many lives.
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6 minutes ago, ayrmad said:
Ours hasn't collapsed and we're tracking them well.
Hospital situation in the US, Germany and Switzerland
The US television station CBS was caughtusing footage from an Italian intensive care unit in a piece on the current situation in New York. In fact, dozens of recordings by citizen journalists show that it is currently very quiet in the hospitals on the US East and West Coast. Even the „corpse refrigerator trucks“ prominently shown in the media are unused and empty.
Contrary to media reports, the register of German intensive care units also shows no increased occupancy. Citizen journalists visited completely abandoned Covid19 admission centres in Berlin clinics. An employee of a Munich clinic explained that they had been „waiting for weeks for the wave to hit“, but that there was „no increase in patient numbers“. He said that the politicians‘ statements did not correspond with their own experience, and that the „myth of the killer virus“ could „not be confirmed“.
Also in Swiss clinics, no increased occupancy has been observed so far. A visitor to the cantonal hospital in Lucerne reports that there is „less activity than in normal times“. Entire floors have been closed for Covid19, but staff „are still waiting for patients“. The hospitals in Bern, Basel, Zug and Zurich have also been „cleaned out“. Even in Ticino, the intensive care units are not working to capacity, but patients are now being transferred to the empty German-Swiss departments. From a purely medical point of view, this makes little sense.
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12 minutes ago, ayrmad said:
We are Italy as far as deaths are concerned.
Italian authorities estimate that around 12% of deaths were specifically caused by the coronavirus, ie around 1,500.
A bad flu season can cause over 50,000 excess deaths in Italy.
The collapse of their healthcare system caused by the panic has caused far more deaths.
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Dr. John Lee, professor emeritus of pathology, is writing about the highly misleading definition and communication of „corona deaths“ in the British Spectator.
The latest data from Norway, evaluated by a PhD in environmental toxicology, again show that the rate of test-positives does not increase – as would be expected in the case of an epidemic – but fluctuates in the normal range for coronaviruses between 2 and 10%. The average age of the test-positive deceased is 84 years, the causes of death are not publicly reported, and there is no excess mortality.
Sweden, which has so far managed without radical measures and has not reported increased mortality (similar to Asian countries such as Japan or South Korea), is remarkably put under pressurefrom the international media to change its strategy.
Data from New York State show that the hospitalization rate of test-positive individuals could be more than twenty times lower than originally assumed.
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April 1, 2020
On the situation in Italy
Italian doctors reported that they had already observed severe cases of pneumonia in northern Italy at the end of last year. However, genetic analyses now show that the Covid19 virus only appeared in Italy in January of this year. „The severe pneumonia diagnosed in Italy in November and December must therefore be due to a different pathogen,“ a virologist noted. This once again raises the question what role the Covid19 virus, or other factors, actually play in the Italian situation.
On March 30, we mentioned the list of Italian doctors who died „during the Corona crisis“, many of whom were up to 90 years old and didn’t actively participate in the crisis at all. Today, all years of birth on the list have been removed (see however the last archive version). A strange procedure.
We have also received the following message from an observer in Italy, who gives further details about the dramatic situation there, which is obviously due to far more than a virus:
„In recent weeks, most of the Eastern European nurses who worked 24 hours a day, 7 days a week supporting people in need of care in Italy have left the country in a hurry. This is not least because of the panic-mongering and the curfews and border closures threatened by the „emergency governments“. As a result, old people in need of care and disabled people, some without relatives, were left helpless by their carers.
Many of these abandoned people then ended up after a few days in the hospitals, which had been permanently overloaded for years, because they were dehydrated, among other things. Unfortunately, the hospitals lacked the personnel who had to look after the children locked up in their apartments because schools and kindergartens had been closed. This then led to the complete collapse of the care for the disabled and the elderly, especially in those areas where even harder „measures“ were ordered, and to chaotic conditions.
The nursing emergency, which was caused by the panic, temporarily led to many deaths among those in need of care and increasingly among younger patients in the hospitals. These fatalities then served to cause even more panic among those in charge and the media, who reported, for example, „another 475 fatalities“, „The dead are being removed from hospitals by the army“, accompanied by pictures of coffins and army trucks lined up.
However, this was the result of the funeral directors‘ fear of the „killer virus“, who therefore refused their services. Moreover, on the one hand there were too many deaths at once and on the other hand the government passed a law that the corpses carrying the coronavirus had to be cremated. In Catholic Italy, few cremations had been carried out in the past. Therefore there were only a few small crematoria, which very quickly reached their limits. Therefore the deceased had to be laid out in different churches.
In principle, this development is the same in all countries. However, the quality of the health system has a considerable influence on the effects. Therefore, there are fewer problems in Germany, Austria or Switzerland than in Italy, Spain or the USA. However, as can be seen in the official figures, there is no significant increase in the mortality rate. Just a small mountain that came from this tragedy.“
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BBC now asking the questions I’ve been asking for days
Coronavirus: How to understand the death toll https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51979654
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6 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said:
Despite all the warnings most western leaders somehow dismissed this as a few week scenario and under control. Then a few days later go full panic mode and tell everyone to lockdown. Is this just some stupid ploy to keep the economy going for a few days?
They all just panicked and collapsed under pressure after Italy like a pack of cards
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3 minutes ago, Stellaboz said:
Have you considered a career in running around an active minefield?
Ha ha. That’s so funny.
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2 hours ago, HTG said:
He's like an unflushable shite.
That’s hilarious
my sides are splitting
have you considered a career in stand up comedy?
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I was in Asda last night and it’s little wonder that the NHS can’t get their hands on protective gear looking at the number of folk walking about dresses as surgeons.
it was like halloween
folk, who a couple of weeks ago were happy to meet up in the pub now in a panic in case their trolley happens to brush up against someone else’s trolley
its a joke
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Amazing how the public now unquestioningly believe everything that Boris and his far right fascist regime now tell them.
Amazing how they now believe everything the mainstream media tell them.
The compliant unquestioning masses now happy to fall in line and dutifully obey their fuhrer.
The folk putting their heads above the parapets to question this will grow as the days go by.
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3 minutes ago, Melanius Mullarkey said:
Post another link.
Go on. I dare ya.
That’s hilarious
do you do stand up comedy?
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10 minutes ago, Moomintroll said:12 minutes ago, Jeremiah Cole said:
Up to 650,000 deaths directly linked to the flu every year.
73,000 have so far died WITH coronavirus. No stats on how many actually died OF it.
Yet we’ve wrecked the economy and imposed a police state and all on the basis of a made up estimate using dodgy assumptions and flawed data from the people who got foot and mouth badly wrong.
we need the mainstream media to start questioning whether this lockdown is justified
Are you still fucking here?
Unique patter.
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4 minutes ago, NotThePars said:
Trump seeing off Boris's herd immunity strategy with “well you know it’s a concept, it’s a concept- if you don’t mind death" was really funny as well.
Yet there’s no more death in Sweden where they are following exactly that route
Indeed, there is no excess death whatsoever according to the European health monitor in excess death.
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Up to 650,000 deaths directly linked to the flu every year.
73,000 have so far died WITH coronavirus. No stats on how many actually died OF it.
Yet we’ve wrecked the economy and imposed a police state and all on the basis of a made up estimate using dodgy assumptions and flawed data from the people who got foot and mouth badly wrong.
we need the mainstream media to start questioning whether this lockdown is justified
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Sweden continues with no lockdown and continues to fare no differently from other Northern European nations
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Coronavirus (COVID-19)
in The General Nonsense Forum
Posted · Edited by Jeremiah Cole
Around 60,000 people a year have the common cold when they die in the UK
This compares with 2,300 who have died with coronavirus