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Local leagues was the perfect way to go to get everyone back competitively playing but most importantly it avoided any doubt or hassle that was had last season my basically making the season not finished and not awarding promo or relegation.
By agreeing to start the league as normal and then the possibility of having to call a GM in feb/March to decide if teams should play each other once in this season to decide promo/relegation is a slap in the face to every team that was in a promotion place when the league stopped last season.
It was agreed last season that some teams had only played half their league games (some less than that) so it was deemed unfair to give awards or relegate but now they're saying it's ok to do it by way of a GM if it looks like things won't be able to finish [emoji23][emoji23].
Clubs should have done the correct thing and voted for local leagues and then start a fresh in August 2021.
The SAFA announcement last night has saved any further embarrassment tbh and I dont envey the AAFA commitee for their tasks ahead.Clubs voted not to regionalise the leagues for a season and to keep them as they are.
For me regionalised leagues although no promotion on relegation was the best way to get any sort of competitive football in this season. In saying that after seeing the SAFA announcement tonight it appears no matter what is done we won't get to play anyway.3 -
No chance of getting a season finished, especially after the vote in ayrshire last night.
Mind u as u say we will do will to see any football startedNope....be hard to get a season started never mind finished!!0 -
Am no saying dont play, quite the opposite actually. Personally a think this 2 week layoff is nonsense when they're yet to prove a spike has been caused by a football related incident at amateur level. It'll only get worse if sturgeon follows boris into the 3 tier setup.
Do what the WOSFL did. Put it to a vote of the clubs and if they want to play then play. WOSFL teams aren't all testing their players so how are they any different from amateur with the exception that they can lock their gates so general public can't come in.What happens if were still in this same situation come July next year ? Nobody knows how long this will go on . If all protocols are followed and the boys are willing to play let them play . Can't go on like this forever0 -
When I say sit out the season, i mean just play local friendlies etc. A bit like what the kids are doing at the moment.
As much as I'd love to see the competitive season started asap, would you rather play local friendlies each week and that way there is no real impact if stopped again, or start another season that may not get completed again?
Imagine the Crosshouse, Irvine, WK and Mauchline teams having to go through the same thing again by sitting in automatic promotion spots then having it taken away again by not completing the season for a second time?
The association from what I gather are doing all they can to get things going but it night not be a bad idea to play non competitive until april/May then kickstart the new season in July with the current format that was to be played this season.
The WOSFL have announced they will award trophies and medals for this season coming but not award promotion/relegation because 9 teams have withdrawn without penalty. What's the point in that? Would be as well just letting teams play non competitive games until everyone can or wants to competeAll it takes is a bad winter and tberes no chance. Were 2 months behind already plus missed all the midweek opportunities in august. Much as I'd love to get started cheggers idea actually makes sense.0 -
The question is.. would we be better sitting out the season and encouraging the SFA to make sure we restart in July/august next season, regardless of the situation?
Or do we keep hoping that we will get a clear run at it from start of november and not have a stop start season.
I know I'd rather start asap but I think a stop/start season would do more harm than good and would just piss people off and result in them wanting to pack it in.
All clubs have worked hard on their fitness for 8 weeks and most will now be back to square one come 25th oct. Takes a hell of a time to build the fitness, takes a fraction of that to lose it and good luck telling your guys to keep running 5k's on their ownQuestion is now...IF amateur fitba is stopped for much more than the 16 days than it is right now...will we be able to start & complete season 20/21??0 -
Good luck filling your team with junior players for a season to be left hanging when the wosfl finally gets going. Am sure your loyal amateur players would take a season off then come back once the juniors have left at the drop of a hat.
Shows junior players mentality if they're not willing to play without pay or expenses. Also highlights the problems at some amateur teams for all to see, that's if you didn't know about it already, if true of course[emoji102]. Dont like to hear of any teams struggling but if it's true then fairplay, been making a mockery of the amateur game in ayrshire for years and who would have thought it would take a pandemic to stop it!!
What's the most baffling thing about all this is 17 year olds can play and train but 18,19,21 and ammies can't... now who decided this? I find it very strange the government did and tbh what difference is allowing the Wosfl to start but not ammies? Neither are allowed fans at the moment so what's the fuckin difference? Let the boys play and give them something to look forward to every week
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Technically its not much different than normal rules tho.
If the spectators are on your side of the park then is it not up to your committee to police it? A think that's what the rules are anyway.
But lets be fair, if the local youth turn up with a carry out and stand at the side, there is only so much u can do. As you say in a public park you can't do more than ask for a bit of commonsense but in the same respect they can still tell u to f**k off [emoji23][emoji23]
Exactly these guidelines are a load of over the top shite anyway. I have been to a couple of pre season friendly's and there's been a small number of spectators ( less than 20) behind each sideline, all that happens is everyone stands a bit further back than normal and its just the Subs, Manager, Committee ect that stand next to the pitch in the so called Orange zone. As long as spectators are not standing right next to the pitch there's nothing the referee can say. But an issue might arise when the season kicks off and we have big games that are going to attract a lot of spectators, people turning up wae carry oots ect, I suspect when that happens some supporters will just do what they want and Clubs and Referee's will be put in an difficult situation
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With this being in the red/amber zone then surely any other coaches or committee members just stand further back? Or have I misinterpreted the rules?
I'd have thought it only really matters when you're close to the pitch like inside an astro with a cage around it?
I could be wrong tho lolNew guidelines are making it very very difficult for the amateur game to be run properly now.
Monday’s Zoom now has us only be allowed 38-41 bodies in a “bubble “ which literally means if both teams have 16 players & a referee...well the maths isn’t difficult [emoji85]0 -
Confirmed? A see the fella boyd has joined Irvine meadow
Thistle officially folded, would like to say I’m sad to see it but I’m not!0 -
Type into Google Brunston Castle Golf Club and put that postcode into your sat nav. Daillys pitch is on the wee off road up to the golf course
On the mention of Dailly, I tried to go to their game today but couldn’t find where they play? I thought it was near the Bowling Club. Anyone put me right in time for the game next week1 -
Well said. Backing proposals then not even bothering to turn up and vote for it #Shambles
Ayrshire clubs... what an embarrassment. Giving the opportunity and so many hid. Clubs not even bothering to turn up to vote. One of which would have been playing premier league football if the vote had been different. Shambles.0 -
They've lost a player to Irvine as well apparently
just to be clear crosshouse have signed all but 1 player from last season who has went to shortlees so Galston obtaining lads from them is wide off the mark.0 -
Dont understand it myself tbh.
I'm all for caution etc but it's getting stupid now.
I can send my son who's 9 to training from next week where it's full contact but adult teams aren't allowed to stand 20 yards apart and do passing drills?
I know of at least 5 junior teams that have been full training for the last 3 weeks and I'm talking about contact training....
What makes them different to amateur? Obviously they've more money but I don't think they could afford weekly testing of their players..
Can the SFA actually punish teams for training?
Fair point about the beer gardens, can have a team day out for 3hrs in a beer garden but can't pass a ball back and forward to each other [emoji23][emoji23]No adult non pro contact sport until 31st July at a bare minimum.
Until Leisure Centres open, we are pissing in the wind and can't get a game on.0 -
If you have the means to train with social distancing then what's the issue?
How is adult social distance training with non contact any worse off than youth football with full contact? Surely I've more risk of catching it from my kid if he's been to training than when I've went to a social distancing gathering?
From july 15th Pt's now allowed to arrange outdoor group sessions as long as proper measures in place but you cant do the same with a football? Hows that any different?
Can go for a haircut but can't kick a ball 20 yards away to a teammate... where's the logic in that?
There is talk of punishment for teams caught training, what are the punishments? Personally I've seen amateur and junior teams training already so what's the issue if you're taking the correct measures to ensure everyones safety?
Drive past any astro when the weather is decent and you'll be hard pushed to find an empty space on it with the amount of people playing in these "restricted" times.
Another point, what was the outcome of the Ayrshire leagues debate after clubs suggested changes, when will clubs be notified? Assuming they haven't already or we would have seen the discussions on here [emoji23]
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I take it that it would be a no go for more of a summer based season?
I didn’t think you were having a go, no need to worry about that. I’m more than happy for people to have a different opinion to me and share it, as I’m more than happy to give my opinion!
The decisions on league structure are made by the clubs, the executive would obviously put forward what they thought was the best option but it’s up to the clubs to decide.
My personal opinion is that the second divisions haven’t worked as well as we would have liked, but I also don’t think it’s as bad as some are suggesting. We proposed another, more radical structure at the time which was rejected. But I don’t think the numbers are right for a premier league and first division of 14 clubs, there’s simply not enough weeks in the season to complete the leagues, the numbers just don’t add up.
And as I’ve said, I don’t think the time is right to change given the huge amount of uncertainty, it would be far better to have a structure in mind for a year or two and work towards it in a logical manner, so teams know exactly what they are aiming for.0 -
Personally I think the committee do a great job and it's a thankless task at times because I know it's extremely hard to get members to join a committee in any sport so dont think for a minute I'm having a go at the executive... far from it actually!!
I do however think whilst the current climate provides extreme uncertainty, I also think it provides an opportunity to look at things as a whole and see if changes can be made to the current setup to make it better for all involved.
Teams fold each season for various reasons, probably the most obvious one is player commitment and for that reason alone I think you'd stand a better chance of keeping clubs in the association if they weren't playing in a league of 9 or 10 teams.
Say you're going for promotion and another team also in the hunt has 2 home games against you because you play each other 3 times, hows that fair? Luck of the draw I know but its hardly appealing in my opinion.
The main reason for any of my comments on this thread and directed at you since you commented is to find out if it's the executive who decide which proposals go to the floor or if all proposals go to the floor to be voted on by the member clubs.
The rules are decided by the clubs at the AGM, same as every year.
The SSMAFL have increased their league to 16 for one season based on the current situation, but they might end up only playing each other once, or scrapping a cup or two.
So we could put the leagues up to 18 (for example) for one season, and then have 8 clubs relegated at the end of the season to get back to 12, when you include 2 being promoted??
We could increase the number of teams in a league and scrap a cup (as the Caledonian league have done), again that’s up to the clubs to decide.
Or we could have one big league of 43 and play each other once, with no cups.
You’re perfectly entitled to your opinion about the decision of the committee, but as you would expect I disagree completely. You say it’s right not to award titles but clubs should be promoted, where’s the logic in that?
Do you think that it’s right to look at reconstruction during the current period of massive uncertainty, would it not be better to wait until the numbers are known and everyone knows what they’re playing for?0 -
Thanks for the update and clarification Graham.
Can I ask if any proposals put forward by clubs are presented to member clubs to vote on?
Or is it a case of the executive decide what they like and what works then put it to a vote from the clubs?
Regardless of associations trying out larger numbers in a league for a season or not, they're still willing to try it out.
The AAFA proposal of 11-12-10-10 is just cop out tbh. Its basically saying this season didnt happen but you're not getting your membership fees from last season back and any suspensions will carry over to the 20-21 season. It also only suits the teams who are sitting in a relegation position. Fair enough you cant award titles etc and I totally agree with that but you cant say the season basically hasn't happened but still uphold suspensions and not refund membership fees. Whatever way you word it, that's what's happened if you don't look at a reconstruction
A couple of points on this I can respond to.
The SAFA didn’t tell teams they couldn’t train, the Scottish Government did. And they continue to do so.
The SSMAFL only have 16 in their Premier League for this year coming, they don’t know what their season will look like yet. I think they finished season 2018/19 with 13 teams in their Premier League.
All matches must be played before the SAFA AGM which is in June, as per the Constitution & Rules. You need to request an extension to play after this, but ideally games should be completed before it.
The reason teams don’t play for 2-3 weeks while waiting to play their last 2-3 fixtures is because they’re waiting their turn to play the team having a successful season, so this would get worse if that team plays well into June. The price to pay for having a good cup run also affects the other teams you still have to play.
Ayrshire can’t produce a league fixture more than a week in advance for a number of reasons; clubs can apply for free weeks during the season with 2 weeks notice (this also means if they didn’t fancy one of the fixtures they were given they could get a free week and avoid it), Scottish and West cup fixtures take precedence and can change due to postponements or replays, several clubs play at the same venue so changing one fixture could mean having to change several fixtures, changing one fixture will mean changing several depending on who you’ve already played, cup draws are done during the season rather than all at once so we don’t know what the cup ties are until the draw is made.
This would all mean the Match Secretary would be re-doing work and re-issuing fixtures every week. It’s already a big job and this would make it 4 or 5 times harder / worse. The benefit of getting a fixture 3 or 4 weeks in advance is only a benefit if that fixture doesn’t change 3 times, which it could.
Issuing weeks of fixtures is only really possible at the start of the season before the cups start, which we have done for the past few years.0 -
If it was 14 in the premier then I'd probably put 3 up but then a decision has to be made on 2A-2B how you get the 5th team outta that.
For me the current league proposal doesn't work, as I said earlier I think it's an easy out so if they didnt want a full reconstruction then the only fair way I could see it is 12-12-10-10 and you relegate and promote based on a ppg average from what the leagues look like now on the websiteI'm playing devils advocate here. Say the 14 team prem was worth a try and this season was null and void.
The same 3 teams would actually be promoted anyway from the last completed season.
Nearly all the same teams from the season before would be promoted from the 2nd to the 1st. Other than Mauchline.
Is there more sporting integrity in that or less.
Again I'm not saying that's the way to go. Just putting it out there.
Cheggars do u think no relegation this season would be fair?
If u were restructuring to 14 in the top 2 leagues would you still relegate meaning 4 teams coming up or no relegation meaning 3 to the prem and 5 coming up to the first with no relegation or 7 with relegation0 -
I try my best mate [emoji1787][emoji1787]
The premier division of the caley league also has 14 teams in it and it has some of the best ams teams about . Can definitely work with that number no problem.
Ayrshire clubs have been asked to put forward proposals by Thursday a think it is so will be interesting to see if anything comes across and also if the league committee actually let the member clubs vote on it.
In my opinion I think it's only fair the member clubs get a say in their own future, end of the day they're the ones paying the membership feesMate ur too clued up for me [emoji1787][emoji1787].
I personally dont like points per game tho for this level. Teams haven't played the same level.of fixtures as other is you know what I mean some playing top of the league yeoce and other not at all.
I 1000000% agree tho that the sfa should have instructed the sjfa and the safa what was happening or at a minimum the sjfa and safa should have told all their regions what was happening.
The cups tbf give other teams a chance of silver wear who would have no chance at all in their league so keeps teams competitive for longer.
I think as long as you have free weeks available u cant really produce fixture too far in advance1 -
You'll never please everyone but in my opinion I would reconstruct the leagues and award places based on a points by game average. I wouldn't go as far as awarding someone a league trophy but as I said, if it's good enough for the top division in Scotland to be finalised by a points per game average then why can't they do it with amateur?
The biggest mistake was the SAFA not telling each association what to do with their respective leagues.
They were quick enough to tell all clubs that they cant train etc but they wouldn't make the decision on how leagues should finish?
It should be uniformed across the country and fed down from the top to the bottom. What's the point in having a governing body who wont make the difficult decisions and have just passed the buck onto the associations to do as they please.
The SSMAFL has 16 teams in its premier division so clearly it works.
There is two local cups for all ayrshire clubs or 3 if you count the Donsport. Is there really a need for all of that?
There is an argument that with 14 teams in the premier league would be too many league games and run the risk of seasons still being played in june. Why is that an issue? Surely that's the price u pay for being successful and putting together a cup run.
Last couple of seasons you've had teams not playing for 2-3 weeks when they've only 2-3 league games left.
Another question I would ask is why cant ayrshire produce a fixture list more than a week in advance? Junior clubs and boys clubs have their fixtures 3 months in advance then if a cup competition comes into play then they take priority.
Btw the match sec has done a fantastic job over the years, not saying anything bad against him but I do feel that fixtures could be laid out for 4-6 games at a time minimum.who do u suggest should come up if its " null and void " and kept 12-12-9-9.
I agree there should be 12 but I also dont think teams should be awarded for playing half their season. Nor teams relegated with plenty in the tank to change things.
I do not for a minute think there should be a 14 team premier league. All the major leagues in the Amateur games is 12 maximum for a reason
Cowards way out with only 11 teams???? 100% agree.1 -
If I was a team in 2A or 2B then I'd be crying out for a reconstruction.
Why would anyone want to play in a league with 9 or 10 teams then have to play each other 3 times and possibly throw in a made up cup for extra games so your season doesn't finish in February?
The AAFA have followed the guidance from sfa/safa all the way through the pandemic with the exception of proposing a premier division with 11 teams in it (which has never been done before and was always made clear at previous formation meetings that the premier had to have 12 teams, no more, no less).
You cannot just say that's it the season is finished and you all paid money and played for nothing to then be punished the next season by suspensions carried over and no relegation/promotions from a season that apparently "doesn't count".
The association need to do the honourable thing and agree to a reconstruction or go back to the setup of 12-12-10-10 and award promotion and relegation places based on a points per game average for the season just played.
If it's good enough for the top league in scotland then it's good enough for amateur football.
Changing the constitution for one season so that the premier has 11 teams next year is the cowards way outHearing there is somewhat of a standoff between the 4/5 " hard done" by clubsin ayrshire and the league. They are demanding reconstruction for the season ahead. Are the league taking the easy way out?
I think it's the fairest way personally but can see the frustration from some and the reasons why.
What are other associations doing in the amatuer game?1 -
Any changes must be put forward to the league by a certain date. The league then decide if it's a viable option and if so then they put it to a vote by the member clubs. That's only if the executive committee deem the change as a reasonable option.
Just because someone suggests a change doesn't automatically mean that it will get put to a vote by the member clubs.
When the restructuring of 2a/2b was brought in, I know some of the suggested league restructuring ideas weren't put to a vote cause the league said it wouldn't work. I think (I could be wrong) that one of those was a 14 team premier but because the premier teams are likely to go further in cups than the lower leagues, it was deemed too many league games to fit into the seasonSurely the clubs should vote on any suggested changes at each AGM since they pay a membership fee.
It's been a few years since iv sat in an AGM but that's exactly what happens. Any rule changes are always voted on by the general council. I dont think any exec can change the rules without the general council voting for it. So I'm assuming that the 11 league premier would be the same.
I agree about the restructuring of the leagues. The 2a and 2b is a farce. That would surely be voted on at the AGM or league formation meeting for next season tho surely. Not at how to finish last season.0 -
Constitution changes are always made by the executive committee which in itself is wrong imo.
Why ask for suggestions from clubs to make changes each year only for the committee to decide if they want to put them to a vote or not?
Surely the clubs should vote on any suggested changes at each AGM since they pay a membership fee.
Having an 11 team premier is just a joke tbh. This scenario should have been used as an opportunity to make real changes to the league setup. No reason why you couldn't run 3 leagues instead of 4An 11 team premier is unconstitutional and should have been put before the general council and not decided by the executive committee imo1 -
Would seem like the fair option for the teams at the top of the 1st division although I think it was mentioned a couple of years back that 14 teams in the one division was too much.
Would like to see it happen tho and make 3 leagues in ayrshire instead of 4Crosshouse , Irvine and west Kilbride all to be promoted into the premier making it a 14 team Premier and rest of league to be reconstructed ,0
GK Wanted - Ayrshire
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Due to injury, Irvine afc require a GK for the season ahead.
Preferably we would like someone with decent level amateur or junior experience as we play in the first division with hopes of making it to the Premier this year.
We have a good setup with own park/training facilities and also a GK coach.
If genuine interest please email irvineafc@gmail.com