Jay Silverheels Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 No that is so wrong! The livi fans are happy to survive & play in the third division! WE are NOT saying we are too bloody good for anything! Not all of your fans are maching to that tune, PLL, you should know that from the posts on your boards lately. Some still believe that nothing short of Almondvale falling into the bowels of the earth should stop them from playing First Division football next season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 (edited) "Dignity?"How did Rangers get involved in tihs? well true. Perhaps they can wheel Martin Bain in, and ask for the season to be extended...? Livingston are keeping it legal. In what way? I'll quote below the exact wording of the SFL rules (to which Livi agree to abide) - 76.3 Any club, club official or player aggrieved by a decision of the Management Committee, otherthan a decision taken in terms of Rule 28, which shall be final and binding, or any club aggrieved by a decision of the Management Committee in terms of Rule 31, 32 or 70 concerning the suitability of its ground, shall have power, within ten days from the date of decision, to appeal to a Special General Meeting of the League on payment of a deposit of £500.00 which shall be forfeited in the event of the appeal being dismissed. 76.4 The appeal shall, however, be deemed to have succeeded unless the decision of the Management Committee is supported by a majority of the votes cast at the said Special General Meeting. Yes, the meeting finished around 4pm so I would imagine that it will take a bit of time for the SFL to update the info, but they have agreed to this in discussion with Frazer Wishart. Things may have moved on, but Reporting Scotland at 6:30pm said that the SFL expected Livi to play at Ochilview tomorrow. And it also suggested that not turning up would be like Estonia!! Gies peace. Whether you think the appeal has a case or not, playing the games in the meantime is farcical. It's simply an ill-conceived attempt by the SFL to get themselves out of the hole they made for themselves by delaying the relegation decision until Wednesday.Are you really suggesting six teams should play games (and charge people to see those games) when there's a chance they won't count? Of course. If you took this to the Court of Session, it could take months... Do you think that in the interim, every club in the SFL should be sitting about waiting? Livingston are trying to get a punishent reduced/overturned. Do you let a murderer out free if he appealled a life sentence, on the grounds that it should have been 25 years then parole? Of course not it stands till changed. If Livi have indeed refused to fulfill a fixture that is deemed valid in the SFL's eyes, would this not then leave them open to new sanctions and possible expulsion from the league should the appeal fail, and thier refusal to fullfil a fixture outwith the guidelines set for cancelling fixtures? They will be guilty of rule 28.4, which is arguably one of the most serious offences commitable: 28.4 Any club without just cause failing to fulfil its fixture obligations in respect of any such matchunder the jurisdiction of the League on the appointed date or dates shall for each offence be liable to the deduction of points in respect of a League Championship match, and/or to such other punishment as the Management Committee may determine. Furthermore, East Stirling (provided they turn up for the game) can pursue compensation: 28.4.1 The club failing to fulfil its fixture obligations shall be liable to pay compensation forany expenses actually incurred as a direct result of the failure. The amount of compensation will be decided by the Management Committee. To be honest, if Livi are doomed entirely and scratching tomorrow's tie is a show of defiance from Livi 5, then my sympathy is with the Livi fans - whose club is dying in a terrible manner. Edited August 7, 2009 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 (edited) Just hurry up, fold and give us all fucking peace. Just my thoughts also only wish i could have put it so eloquently. This needs put to bed and tolerating there maybe we will /wont is only making them feel empowered for me its Div3 or the door .If its a no show there out and if they go to court so be it as it couldnt be a bigger farce than now..........also if it was a wee club at this patter ive a feeling it would be out on youre arse a long time ago Edited August 7, 2009 by Loondave1 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PELE Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 There is not a hope in hell of any appeal being successful! The Livi supporters should turn up and play ( or play the shire supporters ) to fill the time. Why don't some livi fans blag it and turn up in a bus with some lookalikes for McD and co and play the game. Or, are the supporters too good for the 3rd division as well? After all, the supporters would have more chance of avoiding bottom of the 3rd division than the team. Will shire charge an entrance fee? I think Cowden should send a team to play the shire as well as Arbroath, just in case. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luggy Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 Game is off according to shire web site. Fucking disgraceful http://www.eaststirlingfc.co.uk/news_artic...livipreview.htm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike rankine Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 (edited) The SFL Management Committee have shown themselves to be completely incompetent by their handling of the whole affair. David Longmuir spouted a lot of shite the other day about upholding the integrity of the competition but is now insisting that teams should play games that might not count. You're letting your (understandable) passion for Livi cloud your rationale here. Longmuir HAD to say that. As has been stated, Livi had the right to appeal. So Longmuir had to couch his wording accordingly, acknowledging that in the (unlikely) event of a successful appeal, Livi could theoretically be reinstated to the 1st Division, causing these three fixtures to become null and void. However, the path of least hassle for all concerned was to play the scheduled fixtures in the mean time in all three divisions. The SFL has done very little wrong here and has had to wait for certain milestones to occur before they could act / react. Livingston's interim manager (and Consortium waiting in the wings) on the other hand have treated the SFL and every other Scottish club with complete and utter contempt. You are losing any remaining sympathy you had. As a Dumbarton supporter, I'm realising what a lucky escape we had when Neil Rankine was in charge of us. Edited August 7, 2009 by mike rankine 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordieBoy80 Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 If Livi are rightly punished for not fulfilling their fixture tomorrow then will they have the right of appeal and will they ? Making this whole thing even more of a farce than it already is 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PELE Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 There is not a hope in hell of any appeal being successful! The Livi supporters should turn up and play ( or play the shire supporters ) to fill the time. Why don't some livi fans blag it and turn up in a bus with some lookalikes for McD and co and play the game. Or, are the supporters too good for the 3rd division as well? After all, the supporters would have more chance of avoiding bottom of the 3rd division than the team. Will shire charge an entrance fee? I think Cowden should send a team to play the shire as well as Arbroath, just in case. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luggy Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 Games off http://www.eaststirlingfc.co.uk/news_artic...livipreview.htm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueminer Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 Livi are now the most hated team in Scottish football. Don't think any other teams or their fans will have any sympathy for them if they do disappear from the game. If they don't turn up tomorrow then that should be it. Nothing against Livi, but the stance of the club not to play makes me sick. What gives them the right to say we'll only play football if it's in the first division? No team has the right to that status, you have to earn it and with Livi in the situation they're in they should just be grateful they are still in any league instead of trying to blackmail Scottish football 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Naitch Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 Games offhttp://www.eaststirlingfc.co.uk/news_artic...livipreview.htm Livingston get their way then - fucking ridiculous. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellibob Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 this is total farce. shire are gonna be well out of pocket fo rthis non game as they will have to pay for stewarding & policing (extra for opening the terrace), lost hospitality, cost of staff wages, cost of hiring stenny for a non existant game plus what about the fans that are travelling from england who have trains and hotels booked. There is never any consideration for fans as people just think they live locally and never have to travel for a game or make plans so they can get to the game. and to reply to the tosser in 1st post. we humped you last season when you were a 1st div team. what makes you think we wouldnt do same now your a non-existant, very much hated 3rd div club (for 1 match only then a non league league). I'll be turning up tomorrow. If livvy want to survive I think they should do the same. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 (edited) No that is so wrong! The livi fans are happy to survive & play in the third division! WE are NOT saying we are too bloody good for anything! Your fans should have made that clear to McGruther & co. Your club should have accepted the decision reached with good grace. The blackmail campaign, highlighted by the first division business plan, must have played some part in the SFL's decision to demote you to the third division. By all means appeal (you have no chance of winning), but do not refuse to fulfil a fixture. Edited; After reading a few posts on Livi Lions forum it is pretty clear to me that many of your fans cannot accept the prospect of third division football. McGruther appears to be of a similar mind. How can Livi fulfil a fixture in Dingwall, but not one just up the road at Ochilview? What bloody planet is he living on? Edited August 7, 2009 by MB 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 (edited) If Livi are rightly punished for not fulfilling their fixture tomorrow then will they have the right of appeal and will they ? Making this whole thing even more of a farce than it already is No. As the SFL rules explicity state that there is no right of appeal over a Rule 28 punishment. The Livi supporters should turn up and play ( or play the shire supporters ) to fill the time. Why don't some livi fans blag it and turn up in a bus with some lookalikes for McD and co and play the game. Or, are the supporters too good for the 3rd division as well?After all, the supporters would have more chance of avoiding bottom of the 3rd division than the team. The supporters cannot play, but the players themselves (including any U-19s) can turn up and play if registered. The alternative is the end of Livingston football club. Check to check-mate... Will shire charge an entrance fee? In theory they should charge the league minimum; in practice they should just throw the doors open. But if they need to pay day rental to Stenny, perhaps they'll have to charge something? EDIT TO ADD: Stuff about Shire is pointless now as they're not playing a game tomorrow. Oddly. Edited August 7, 2009 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 Games offhttp://www.eaststirlingfc.co.uk/news_artic...livipreview.htm I don't understand the bit about influencing the appeals process. The SFL already stated that they expected Livi to play regardless, then nullify the results if needs be. So is that last paragraph just opinion from East Stirlingshire? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 (edited) Games offhttp://www.eaststirlingfc.co.uk/news_artic...livipreview.htm Has the SFL said it's off to avoid prejudicing the process - or is this the Livi/Shire line? How can the SFL say that all games are on at 11am, then do an entire 180 degree turn later in the day? Edited August 7, 2009 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantoms-livi-lass Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 Not all of your fans are maching to that tune, PLL, you should know that from the posts on your boards lately. Some still believe that nothing short of Almondvale falling into the bowels of the earth should stop them from playing First Division football next season. That is true. I'm sick fed up with the whole hideous mess now! Why does football have such a grip on us? I wish I never started going to games in the first place now, I'm going to go away to my bed to greet now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Northerner Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 No that is so wrong! The livi fans are happy to survive & play in the third division! WE are NOT saying we are too bloody good for anything! That is, unfortunately, bollocks. They are anything but happy about it. Read your own board for details. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 Has the SFL said it's off to avoid prejudicing the process... I just don't understand that. How could fulfilling a fixture prejudice the process? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsidediamond Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 From the SFL site.... a somewhat different take on the issue from the wording that appears on the ES site. East Stirlingshire v Livingston The Scottish Football League have this evening been advised by that Livingston Football Club will not be fulfilling their IRN-BRU SFL Third Division fixture against East Stirlingshire at Ochilview Park tomorrow, Saturday August 8, which had a scheduled 3.00pm kick off. It is our duty to communicate this information to all supporters who were planning to attend the match. This matter will now be referred to the Scottish Football League Management Committee for consideration. All other fourteen fixtures in the IRN-BRU Scottish Football League will be played tomorrow as previously communicated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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