Guest Tomsk The Beano Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 Should the Bothwell Bomber ever play for Scotland again following his vicioius verbal assault on the Tartan Army? (Interesting to note that Iain Ferguson was bombed out the Scotland team for the same crime.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
froggybinos Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 f**k off tomsk, gary macallister was not overrated, and if it wasnt for twats like yourself he would have played on for scotland for another 2 or 3 years, i the meantime he got man of the match in the uefa cup final. i do agree ferguson is a twat thouhg, who really has neve performed for scotland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k38jfb Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 It didn't matter if Iain Ferguson was allowed to play for Scotland again, because we had other better players to look at. At present, there is no better midfielder than Barry and I doubt if the SFA would take action anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tomsk The Beano Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 f**k off tomsk, gary macallister was not overrated, and if it wasnt for twats like yourself he would have played on for scotland for another 2 or 3 years, i the meantime he got man of the match in the uefa cup final. f**k off yourself! FACT: McCallister was inept for Scotland. FACT: He was booed by Scotland fans consistently before the England game. FACT: Something that his media arselickers conviently forget. FACT: The majority of Scotland fans didn't even want him in the squad for Euro'92 never mind Euro'96 FACT: His corners were woeful. FACT: His free kicks were inept. FACT: Only the meedja ever rated him. FACT: In 25 years of actually going to watch Scotland games he's the most over rated player I've ever seen. FACT: He could not cut it at international level. FACT: Man of the Match in the Uefa Cup Final thats like being man of the match at the Bells Cup final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caltonfan Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 always find it funny that fans can dish out a lot of abuse to the players and management team but when one of the players react there is an outcry, its like "oh no that player swore at me am gonnae tell my mummy on you", p*ss off if you are big enough to dish it out then take it when someone shouts back. Barry Ferguson is our best player and only one who has performed in the last two games so yes he should still play for Scotland and should still be captain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 f**k off yourself!FACT: McCallister was inept for Scotland. FACT: He was booed by Scotland fans consistently before the England game. FACT: Something that his media arselickers conviently forget. FACT: The majority of Scotland fans didn't even want him in the squad for Euro'92 never mind Euro'96 FACT: His corners were woeful. FACT: His free kicks were inept. FACT: Only the meedja ever rated him. FACT: In 25 years of actually going to watch Scotland games he's the most over rated player I've ever seen. FACT: He could not cut it at international level. FACT: Man of the Match in the Uefa Cup Final thats like being man of the match at the Bells Cup final. Those are not FACTS. They are in FACT your opinion (except for the third one which is an incoherent sentence and the second one which may or may not be a fact but if it is then I never noticed it). Try not to confuse facts with opinions. Clearly Froggy disagrees with you. As it happens I do too. And as for likening the UEFA Cup Final to the Bells Cup Final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnooo Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 f**k off yourself!FACT: McCallister was inept for Scotland. FACT: He was booed by Scotland fans consistently before the England game. FACT: Something that his media arselickers conviently forget. FACT: The majority of Scotland fans didn't even want him in the squad for Euro'92 never mind Euro'96 FACT: His corners were woeful. FACT: His free kicks were inept. FACT: Only the meedja ever rated him. FACT: In 25 years of actually going to watch Scotland games he's the most over rated player I've ever seen. FACT: He could not cut it at international level. FACT: Man of the Match in the Uefa Cup Final thats like being man of the match at the Bells Cup final. Riiiiight - so, becuase it's your opinion, it's fact. Must remember that. Gary McAllister was an excellen player in his day. WRT Barry Ferguson - it was a completely fuddish thing to do. There's no doubt however, in my mind at least, that he's the best player we've got. And has run his socks off, despite being injured, for the team in the last two games. No way should we cut off our nose to spite our face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David W Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 The Tartan Army are a joke. Most of them don't follow the OF, because of their bigotry, yet they go to Scotland games and sing anti-England songs Barry Ferguson is an excellent player, as was McAllister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhoonaman Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 If you boo players then you deserve to have them tell you to f**k off. Don't dish it out if you can't take it back. At least he got annoyed and showed he was disappointed, rather than leaving the park not giving a shit either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 Oh, and as for the subject. Barry Ferguson is our best player and probably our ONLY international class one at this time. He proved his commitment again by playing through injury in Moldova. I refuse to castigate him for ill advised heat of the moment comments which he has since apologised for. Anyone contemplating binning him internationally is clearly the twit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 I have no problem with Ferguson having his say after the game. Just as Ferguson should have had no problem with Craig Burley expressing his opinion about the current team. Cant have it both ways Bazza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughsie Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 Barry Ferguson is our best player and how the f'ck was Gary McAllister over rated. I always remember at Celtic Park on the day we qualified for World Cup 98 against Lithuania(?), he was outstanding and probably won us the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raving On Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 Ignoring the McAllister thing, Ferguson would be a good player in a good side for Scotland, however, he's no in a good side so can at time look down right mince. Put 4-5 decent players around him and all of a sudden he's a different player. It's the same with Fletcher IMO. The only player we have who can win a game with a moment of magic is McFadden, who got himself suspended for last night's game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k38jfb Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 The fans and media mounted pressure on Gary McAllister because he missed a penalty. So what - he redeemed himself by scoring the penalty against Belarus, that got us three points and helped us to France 98? And then when the Euro 2000 qualifying campaign wasn't going too well, what do the Tartan Army do - boo McAllister because "he's the captain, it's all his fault, and he missed a penalty." Total idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 Got to say, in a well organised and motivated team, Barry Ferguson could be the man who dictates the game. Since moving from Rangers (and coming back from injury) I think he has improved as a player. He is more confident with his turns, he seems more aware of his position, all in all an improvement in the player that left Scotland a year ago or so. That said, he does have a tendency to look for the sideways pass. Doesn't have a cross in the boy and Berti seems unsure where to play him (in my mind he is a defensive midfielder, not an attacking one). Does he have the right to say what he wants whether this is to defend the manager or hassle the fans? Yes, he does. As much as every fan has a right to an opinion when in the stand. All Barry needs to remember is the fans are the kingmakers here, rightly or wrongly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevemac Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 Its some of the posts in this thread which make me despise the Tartan Army. They are a bunch of drunken louts who force decent players into early retirement. It happened with Gary McAllister and Brian McLair (players who performed at the top, top level, no arguments) and it is going to happen with Barry Ferguson. Most of them are the most bigoted people I have ever come accross. The irony is however that they are the same ones who accuse the OF of bigotry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codfish Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 When I heard about Barry's comments last night, I was raging - the Scotland captain should not come out after a game, and give abuse to fans who travel all over Europe to support the team (IMO of course). However, at least he had the guts to apologise for the remark a few hours later. TBH, at least it showed that he was hurting after last night. I agree that he is probably our only international class player (although a match-fit Fletcher playing in central midfield would come very close as well), but if that was to become a regular thing, you would have to have a serious look at the captaincy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundermonkey Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 Calling for Barry Ferguson to be given the chop is so stupid. How will we get ourselves out of this mess without players of his quality. George Weah was probably one of the best strikers AC Milan have ever seen but put him in the Liberia national squad and he was distinctly average. Ferguson can only work with the players and coaches around him. The changes we need are not at squad level, it's the whole game in Scotland itself. An 18 team top league to fall in line with the rest of europe (eventually) is the only way forward in my eyes. That way, if the young guys at Celtic and Rangers (or any current Premier club) that actually want to make a name for themselves could still play first team football in Scotland instead of disappearing in the English 2nd and 3rd divisions. How much better would the likes of Mark Kerr, Simon Lappin or John Rankine already be if they had had years of playing against premier league opposition (and maybe even Europe) instead of being stuck in the 1st. Having said that I'm not sure how much Mark Kerr has improved but he seems to be doing much better than Lee Miller at Bristol. The likes of Wallace and McGeady at Celtic will go the same way as Mark Burchill and Kenny Miller which means the national team will continue to look for short term fixes like Matt Elliot, Nigel Quashie and Graham Alexander. Moan over, I'm sure this is old ground but living down south I have to put up with them moaning about the way England won this week. A win, I'd love to come into work and tell everyone we had won! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 Players have to take responsibility for their own development. Lee Miller has gone to Bristol City and the English Second Division has proved to be a step too far for him. Kerr is getting a game for a rank rotten Dundee Utd side because someone is injured. Neither have improved since their Falkirk days and indeed may well have regressed - time will tell. Incidentally Aidan McGeady will be representing Ireland and not Scotland and I think he will be very good in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boosarker Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Gary Mac was rank rotten in his last few games for Scotland, he wasn't boo'd cause he missed a penalty, he was boo'd for being inept. The media just made the penaly stuff up to make a story. Oh, and somebody mentioned Brian McLair How long did it take him to score his first international goal?? Barry Ferguson however look a class above the rest of the Scottish team everytime he plays for us, which is much more frequently now he's left Ranger and stopped having an 'Old-Firm players two day Scotland' injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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