Gaz Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Just now, EdiBairn said: How is taking us from 8th to 8th an improvement by any stretch of the imagination? It's standing still at best. It took him until January to do anything about the abysmal squad we had. By then, we were ninth, five points behind 8th. We finished 17 points ahead of 9th. The statistics back up my argument. From 0.43 points per game under Houston to 1.43 points per game under Hartley (1.83 if we count points from January onwards). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason King Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, EdiBairn said: How is taking us from 8th to 8th an improvement by any stretch of the imagination? It's standing still at best. Are you as thick as you are making yourself appear? Honestly, your bitterness is apparent in every single post. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDust Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Gaz said: This is because of your steadfast refusal to acknowledge actual, verifiable statistics about last season, instead choosing to believe a quite frankly bizarre "ifs, buts and maybes" shtick. Hartley did a good job last season. He did a terrible job in the summer and deserved to be punted. It is possible to separate the two. I think any reasonable fan would agree with that. like the 1.83 pts we would be challenging at the top over the season taking in only Jan - May.....yep no ifs and buts....!!! We beat Brechin 3 times and 3 games at the end that were nothing but friendlies for the clubs we faced, two of them we won by the skin of our teeth when the majority of supporters thoughts that we would end the season with 7 games without a win because we had used our Brechin quota up but accepted that Hartley would be judged on next season.....oh dear He sold us we want to perform like we did at Dufc in both season ticket advertising and fan meetings, looks pretty stupid now that we forgot about the other 30 odd games he had as manager and only a first half v Qos that got close to that performance which we couldve lost in the end. Still wor Paul came in with aim for the play offs, resulting in the same way as his ex jambo team mate of we wont go down egg on face moment Hartley has sent us further back than where he started, so if thats a good job then good luck with convincing anyone with that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 minute ago, MrDust said: like the 1.83 pts we would be challenging at the top over the season taking in only Jan - May.....yep no ifs and buts....!!! We beat Brechin 3 times and 3 games at the end that were nothing but friendlies for the clubs we faced, two of them we won by the skin of our teeth when the majority of supporters thoughts that we would end the season with 7 games without a win because we had used our Brechin quota up but accepted that Hartley would be judged on next season.....oh dear He sold us we want to perform like we did at Dufc in both season ticket advertising and fan meetings, looks pretty stupid now that we forgot about the other 30 odd games he had as manager and only a first half v Qos that got close to that performance which we couldve lost in the end. Still wor Paul came in with aim for the play offs, resulting in the same way as his ex jambo team mate of we wont go down egg on face moment Hartley has sent us further back than where he started, so if thats a good job then good luck with convincing anyone with that I'll be honest, I'm struggling to make sense of what you're on about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Shodwall cat said: We would've gone down if Houston had stayed in charge its as simple as that. Hartley certainly improved us . 1 hour ago, Gaz said: 0.43 points per game under Houston. Hartley was 1.43 points per game over the whole of last season's tenure. If we're counting the games past January when he was actually able to do something about our awful squad it was 1.83 points per game. These are facts, not opinions. You can't debate facts. 31 minutes ago, Gaz said: It took him until January to do anything about the abysmal squad we had. By then, we were ninth, five points behind 8th. We finished 17 points ahead of 9th. The statistics back up my argument. From 0.43 points per game under Houston to 1.43 points per game under Hartley (1.83 if we count points from January onwards). You do know he was in charge before January right? And that the squad wasn't really awful, just performing well below itself? Your caretaker won both his games in charge, Hartley came in, made it clear he was emptying the squad in January and surprisingly, he got absolutely nothing out of them. It was Hartleys choice to forsake all the games before January, if he had carried on from your caretaker then you still could've made the playoffs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdiBairn Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Grant228 said: You do know he was in charge before January right? And that the squad wasn't really awful, just performing well below itself? Your caretaker won both his games in charge, Hartley came in, made it clear he was emptying the squad in January and surprisingly, he got absolutely nothing out of them. It was Hartleys choice to forsake all the games before January, if he had carried on from your caretaker then you still could've made the playoffs. Nope, the squad we had pre-January was unbelievably bad according to some on here, despite finishing 2nd twice. They also don't seem to have noticed the fact almost all of them are now playing above us. Absolute brain donors. Edited October 11, 2018 by EdiBairn -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDust Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 39 minutes ago, Gaz said: I'll be honest, I'm struggling to make sense of what you're on about. I laugh for days anyone saying Hartley was a good manager. We needed minor surgery to the squad when he took over and now we are on a life support machine... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falkirk_Bairn_1983 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 14 minutes ago, EdiBairn said: Nope, the squad we had pre-January was unbelievably bad according to some on here, despite finishing 2nd twice. They also don't seem to have noticed the fact almost all of them are now playing above us. Absolute brain donors. I agree with some of what you say but your just making an ass of yourself now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL-FFC Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 14 minutes ago, EdiBairn said: Nope, the squad we had pre-January was unbelievably bad according to some on here, despite finishing 2nd twice. They also don't seem to have noticed the fact almost all of them are now playing above us. Absolute brain donors. The squad that finished twice had Vaulks and Leahy in it not to mention John Baird (regardless what you think of him we are one of the 2 clubs where he has been effective as a goal scorer) and Bob McHugh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falkirk_Bairn_1983 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, AL-FFC said: The squad that finished twice had Vaulks and Leahy in it not to mention John Baird (regardless what you think of him we are one of the 2 clubs where he has been effective as a goal scorer) and Bob McHugh We finished 2nd without Vaulks as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shodwall cat Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 20 minutes ago, EdiBairn said: Nope, the squad we had pre-January was unbelievably bad according to some on here, despite finishing 2nd twice. They also don't seem to have noticed the fact almost all of them are now playing above us. Absolute brain donors. They're only playing above us because we're so shit. The guys playing weren't good enough to win us the league. We needed to replace them but with better players not the shit Hartley dragged in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shodwall cat Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Grant228 said: You do know he was in charge before January right? And that the squad wasn't really awful, just performing well below itself? Your caretaker won both his games in charge, Hartley came in, made it clear he was emptying the squad in January and surprisingly, he got absolutely nothing out of them. It was Hartleys choice to forsake all the games before January, if he had carried on from your caretaker then you still could've made the playoffs. The squad was full of dross that'll be floating about this league for the foreseeable future. Emptying a lot of it was the right idea bringing in shite wasn't . Edited October 11, 2018 by Shodwall cat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL-FFC Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Tell you one thing its lucky its none of the others they would be in for pelters: https://www.falkirkfc.co.uk/2018/10/10/meet-the-players-night/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerthewitness Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 minute ago, AL-FFC said: Tell you one thing its lucky its none of the others they would be in for pelters: https://www.falkirkfc.co.uk/2018/10/10/meet-the-players-night/ I think those 3 were chosen for that very reason. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmember Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Players are players get u Wins get u draws get u Relegated Only time will tell 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 2 hours ago, TheScarf said: You'd probably find the final league placings would still be the same if you take everyone's results against Brechin out of the equation. With that in mind, Hartley didn't improve Falkirk at all last season. Whit? That some kind of Monty Python logic? He got an improvement in results, there is absolutely no question of that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) 58 minutes ago, EdiBairn said: Nope, the squad we had pre-January was unbelievably bad according to some on here, despite finishing 2nd twice. They also don't seem to have noticed the fact almost all of them are now playing above us. Absolute brain donors. Seriously, why do you make up so much absolute shite? Between finishing 2nd in 16-17 and starting 17-18 we let 11 players leave and brought in 8 players. Why do you keep claiming it was the same squad? Why do you keep claiming that most of them are now playing above us, when this has been proven incorrect? Edited October 11, 2018 by Gaz 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdiBairn Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, Gaz said: Seriously, why do you make up so much absolute shite? Between finishing 2nd in 16-17 and starting 17-18 we let 11 players leave and brought in 8 players. Why do you keep claiming it was the same squad? Why do you keep claiming that most of them are now playing above us, when this has been proven incorrect? Why do you keep including youth players(many of whom never played for us) to disguise how shit your argument is? Let's look at those "11" players who left: Luke Leahy- big loss Cameron Eadie- never played for us Kyle Johnson- never played for us Lewis McMinn- never played for us Fraser Aird- started 6 games for us(and generally didn't contribute much) David McCracken- didn't play at all after January Danny Rogers- lost his place in goal Bob McHugh- scored 6 goals all season John Baird- didn't score from February onwards The players who left the club didn't contribute anywhere near enough to turn us from 2nd place to "worst squad ever". It's complete and utter nonsense. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, EdiBairn said: Why do you keep including youth players(many of whom never played for us) to disguise how shit your argument is? Let's look at those "11" players who left: Luke Leahy- big loss Cameron Eadie- never played for us Kyle Johnson- never played for us Lewis McMinn- never played for us Fraser Aird- started 6 games for us(and generally didn't contribute much) David McCracken- didn't play at all after January Danny Rogers- lost his place in goal Bob McHugh- scored 6 goals all season John Baird- didn't score from February onwards The players who left the club didn't contribute anywhere near enough to turn us from 2nd place to "worst squad ever". It's complete and utter nonsense. You're the one saying "the squad was the same", champ. Are you now acknowledging that the squad wasn't, in fact, the same? Even if we discount the youth players, that's still 6 players who have left. That's not "the same". Edited October 11, 2018 by Gaz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superandy_07 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 52 minutes ago, badgerthewitness said: I think those 3 were chosen for that very reason. The 3 lads and the event were in place shortly after the Alloa game 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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