badgerthewitness Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Can anyone provide examples of teams who started off utter dugshite then came good after the fabled 'gelling' phase? It's a concept I'm unfamiliar with. Thanks in advance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crawford Baptie Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Can anyone provide examples of teams who started off utter dugshite then came good after the fabled 'gelling' phase? It's a concept I'm unfamiliar with. Thanks in advance.Jim Jeffries 1990 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Back Post Misses Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Can anyone provide examples of teams who started off utter dugshite then came good after the fabled 'gelling' phase? It's a concept I'm unfamiliar with. Thanks in advance.Jefferies team of 1991 could be the only one I can think of. However you could sign players all the time then and he added players regularly that season. If we could sign 4/5 in the next 7 days or so maybe but that won’t happen and we ain’t got a Stainrod, Marshall, McGivern, Hetherston, Smith, McWilliams or Hughes on the books before we start 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerthewitness Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Crawford Baptie said: Jim Jeffries 1990 1 minute ago, Back Post Misses said: Jefferies team of 1991 27/28 years ago. Does anyone have an example from the modern football era (post Bosman/tranfer window)? Doesn't have to be Falkirk, any level of senior Scottish football will do. Thanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shodwall cat Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, ShaggerG said: The unrealistic bit is you expecting 16 signings to all be players that would have us challenging for the title. You said that several of them were shite which I don't happen to agree with. To be honest though the way that you come over sounds like you expect a magic wand to be waved and it'll all be sorted. Rips my knitting a bit. You carry on though and just hope that it doesn't come good anytime soon, save you having to find something else to moan about. Should we not then be asking why we're bringing in 16 signings all at once when the managers been in place 11 months. Far too much short term thinking last season and other players being let go of when im still not convinced that there replacements are any better. Only one player kept on of all those signed last season and he struggles to get picked. Seems strange to me how hartley immediately signed a right back when he arrived nearly a year ago so he obviously saw that as a major weakness and yet here we are stuck with the same two players that were in that position when he appeared. I was never mad on tumilty but at least he was first and foremost a right back. Poor forward planning has resulted in us flinging 16 strangers together and hoping that at least 11 of them are good enough to make a team that will win us promotion this season. Huge gamble if you ask me and one that isnt looking odds on at the moment. Individually or as a team too many of those 16 look well off the pace. Edited August 23, 2018 by Shodwall cat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grangemouth Bairn Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Can we not just agree that some think Hartley and his signings are total pish, some think Hartley and his signings are really good and maybe talk about something more positive ?? Where’s the best place to go for a pre and post match pint. Discuss. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocco Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Should we not then be asking why we're bringing in 16 signings all at once when the managers been in place 11 months. Far too much short term thinking last season and other players being let go of when im still not convinced that there replacements are any better. Only one player kept on of all those signed last season and he struggles to get picked. Seems strange to me how hartley immediately signed a right back when he arrived nearly a year ago so he obviously saw that as a major weakness and yet here we are stuck with the same two players that were in that position when he appeared. I was never mad on tumilty but at least he was first and foremost a right back. Poor forward planning has resulted in us flinging 16 strangers together and hoping that at least 11 of them are good enough to make a team that will win us promotion this season. Huge gamble if you ask me and one that isnt looking odds on at the moment. Individually or as a team too many of those 16 look well off the pace.Maybe the board wouldn't give him approval to sign players for longer than the end of the season. He did offer 3 others contracts but they never took it. Honestly think you're delusional as you talk about everything like it's simple. You'll be asking why the board haven't found a multi millionaire willing to bank roll us next Also Tumilty was a right wing back 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 13 minutes ago, Shodwall cat said: Should we not then be asking why we're bringing in 16 signings all at once when the managers been in place 11 months. Far too much short term thinking last season There was absolutely no choice last season in terms of signings in January -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Back Post Misses Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 27/28 years ago. Does anyone have an example from the modern football era (post Bosman/tranfer window)? Doesn't have to be Falkirk, any level of senior Scottish football will do. Thanks.Not on my radar 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Back Post Misses Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Can we not just agree that some think Hartley and his signings are total pish, some think Hartley and his signings are really good and maybe talk about something more positive ?? Where’s the best place to go for a pre and post match pint. Discuss.Who thinks they are good? Have they watched The Shire and decided to switch to us this season? I will give you 4/5 are decent. 2 very good (both are loans from Scottish Premiership sides) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerthewitness Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Back Post Misses said: Not on my radar I'm struggling with it as well yet several P&Bers have mentioned the 'gelling' idea. It's almost as if the word has been cascaded down... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grangemouth Bairn Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Back Post Misses said: Who thinks they are good? Have they watched The Shire and decided to switch to us this season? I will give you 4/5 are decent. 2 very good (both are loans from Scottish Premiership sides) Well folk are arguing about f**k all then. Haber and Irving were always likely to be good. The other were always a case of wait and see. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairney The Dinosaur Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Can anyone provide examples of teams who started off utter dugshite then came good after the fabled 'gelling' phase? It's a concept I'm unfamiliar with. Thanks in advance.Inverness last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shodwall cat Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Rocco said: Maybe the board wouldn't give him approval to sign players for longer than the end of the season. He did offer 3 others contracts but they never took it. Honestly think you're delusional as you talk about everything like it's simple. You'll be asking why the board haven't found a multi millionaire willing to bank roll us next Also Tumilty was a right wing back Other clubs seem to be able to achieve it. Why is it so difficult for us? Money isnt the issue here as livi showed last season. Its what you do with it which is where we're seriously lacking. Appoint the right manager and get your recruitment right and a club our size will be there or there about. The three in question were obviously offered less cash and moved elsewhere. I wasnt too plussed till i saw the replacements but we needed a bit more continuity. He didnt need to sign players for longer than the end of the season. He needed to sign players hed be doing everything to re-sign in the summer. St mirren signed mcginn and davies to the end of the season and then made signing them up again priority. We have failed to do that. We've also failed to bring in anyone of the same quality bar maybe haber if he can stay fit enough to play a couple of games. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeBairn Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 This thread makes me miss Dixie Chicken.. I need a pint now. Never mind at the football. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shodwall cat Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bairney The Dinosaur said: Inverness last year. And they won what? Is finishing 5th all we're aiming for this season? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grangemouth Bairn Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Just now, DeeBairn said: This thread makes me miss Dixie Chicken.. I need a pint now. Never mind at the football. It’s worse than it’s ever been haha. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shodwall cat Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Marshmallo said: There was absolutely no choice last season in terms of signings in January And you know that how? Dunfermline signed beadling now an important part of their midfield. St mirren signed ryan flynn id take him over our lithuanian pal any day. Livi brought ryan hardie in and have him on loan still. Theres guys out there that we couldve signed and kept this season. Edited August 23, 2018 by Shodwall cat 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairney The Dinosaur Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 And they won what? Is finishing 5th all we're aiming for this season?That wasn’t the question. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerthewitness Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Bairney The Dinosaur said: That wasn’t the question. I was looking for a more successful example of "came good" tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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