Shadwell Dog Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, TheScarf said: He's shite but he's better than Mark Durnan. But yep if you do go up, McKay is miles out of his depth in the Championship. 3 years if insanity. So how has he managed to play 110 times at that level or higher for you guys? Surely somebody should've worked that out about 90 games ago? Is Robbo that bad a manager that he just keeps on playing him even when he's shit? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FFC 1876 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 Just now, ewan_fife said: McGuffies's signed I preferred the Liam Brown rumour. Does Mcguffie play in the middle of the park? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said: So how has he managed to play 110 times at that level or higher for you guys? Surely somebody should've worked that out about 90 games ago? Is Robbo that bad a manager that he just keeps on playing him even when he's shit? He was our lowest earner and as soon as we signed Wallace Duffy and Dave Carson he was sat in the stand every week. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebobsboy Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 47 minutes ago, ilostmyself said: 3 years! Who was the last player who got that long? Didn't Burton O'Brien get s three year deal? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, TheScarf said: He was our lowest earner and as soon as we signed Wallace Duffy and Dave Carson he was sat in the stand every week. He started 19 of 27 games last season. Doesn't say much for the management team playing a guy whose out of his depth in so many games. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Shadwell Dog said: He started 19 of 27 games last season. Doesn't say much for the management team playing a guy whose out of his depth in so many games. He played centre back for most of them, where he was still shite but had Robbie Deas covering for him. Weird how you aren't taking any The Caley fans opinion of him given he's been with us for 5 years and been shite all that time. It's not as if we've seen him every week. He might be brilliant for you at League One level, he's 100% not good enough for the Championship. Do you want me to say he's brilliant or something? 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FFC 1876 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 Just now, TheScarf said: He played centre back for most of them, where he was still shite but had Robbie Deas covering for him. Weird how you aren't taking any The Caley fans opinion of him given he's been with us for 5 years and been shite all that time. It's not as if we've seen him every week. He might be brilliant for you at League One level, he's 100% not good enough for the Championship. Do you want me to say he's brilliant or something? Talk about him like you talk about Todorov please x 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 Just now, FFC 1876 said: Talk about him like you talk about Todorov please x Godorov to you m8. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalWolf Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 Just now, TheScarf said: He played centre back for most of them, where he was still shite but had Robbie Deas covering for him. Weird how you aren't taking any The Caley fans opinion of him given he's been with us for 5 years and been shite all that time. It's not as if we've seen him every week. He might be brilliant for you at League One level, he's 100% not good enough for the Championship. Do you want me to say he's brilliant or something? I think we'd like a bit of clarification at what you guys see is bad about him? Just saying how bad he is doesn't really tell us much... can't tackle? terrible in the air? can't pass? can't hold the ball? what??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 Just now, MetalWolf said: I think we'd like a bit of clarification at what you guys see is bad about him? Just saying how bad he is doesn't really tell us much... can't tackle? terrible in the air? can't pass? can't hold the ball? what??? He can't tackle and has no pace and he fucking always loses his footing. At least once every game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Fitzgerald Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 McGuffies's signed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalWolf Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 Just now, TheScarf said: He can't tackle and has no pace and he fucking always loses his footing. At least once every game. so.... you mean he's just bad then who knows maybe he'll do better for us than you guys think he did for you (blind optimism you might call it). I don't ever remember thinking Todorov was gonna see the pitch for us let alone score..... the rest is history. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanky_ffc Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Bainsfordbairn said: Fair answer, and FWIW I'd have been in favour of the patrons bid just as I would have with the previous one. Re the 45K. I obviously have no idea of our current budget, but a couple of years back when we first got relegated I think it was around 1.5 million. Let's say around a million just for the sake of debate. That's less a twentieth of our income. Maybe the value or one or two players? The DOF is probably one of the two most important people at the club, the other obviously being the manager. If we're confident he'll deliver success then it is not a salary worth paying? It's a bit like a salesman. Not matter how much they cost, a good one will always earn you several times more than you pay out. This is the key for me. It's always framed as 'can we afford this?' because it's a position we didn't previously have. But a good DoF can make you money with savvy transfers and save you money by signing less dross that you end up having to pay off early to bin. Whether Holt is that person is a completely different question. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, TheScarf said: He played centre back for most of them, where he was still shite but had Robbie Deas covering for him. Weird how you aren't taking any The Caley fans opinion of him given he's been with us for 5 years and been shite all that time. It's not as if we've seen him every week. He might be brilliant for you at League One level, he's 100% not good enough for the Championship. Do you want me to say he's brilliant or something? No I just find it strange how a player 'out of his depth' can play so many games for a club. Ones that aren't great or not very good is one thing but out his depth suggests he should be looking for another vacation in life so God knows how he managed to play so many games in the premier League and championship for you guys without someone in management realising that and freeing him a few years back. Who knows what he'll be like for us. We've had many a player that's been dreadful here and done well elsewhere whilst others have come here on glowing references and been completely shit so it's a simple case of wait and see. Edited June 3, 2021 by Shadwell Dog 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebobsboy Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 I'll reserve judgement on McKay till I've actually seen him play for us. A three year deal seems mad though especially if he does turn out to be as poor as ICT fans are saying. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FFC 1876 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 1 minute ago, lanky_ffc said: This is the key for me. It's always framed as 'can we afford this?' because it's a position we didn't previously have. But a good DoF can make you money with savvy transfers and save you money by signing less dross that you end up having to pay off early to bin. Whether Holt is that person is a completely different question. The key point, we're in the third division of Scottish football so the majority of our signings are going to be from Scottish football so I have no issue with that. I am however sceptical about Holt's ability to identify the right players which is obviously the main point in his role. Hopefully Sheerin's got a bit of know how there and helps bring in the right ones. Can you imagine being a player and having to listen to Holt giving you a 10 slide presentation about how he's going to make you a better person as well as a better footballer. "That stickman's you and look you're smiling" The fear. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 14 minutes ago, MetalWolf said: I think we'd like a bit of clarification at what you guys see is bad about him? Just saying how bad he is doesn't really tell us much... can't tackle? terrible in the air? can't pass? can't hold the ball? what??? His awareness and positioning seem to be pretty poor. He can often lose his man and doesn't realise it. This goal coincidentally against Falkirk, is the kind of thing we saw quite often from him. Mckay is number 22 and is meant to be marking Rudden but completely loses him and doesn't seem to know where he has gone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FFC 1876 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, RiG said: His awareness and positioning seem to be pretty poor. He can often lose his man and doesn't realise it. This goal coincidentally against Falkirk, is the kind of thing we saw quite often from him. Mckay is number 22 and is meant to be marking Rudden but completely loses him and doesn't seem to know where he has gone. He's a donkey but he's our donkey now so back off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroMoutinho Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 27 minutes ago, lanky_ffc said: This is the key for me. It's always framed as 'can we afford this?' because it's a position we didn't previously have. But a good DoF can make you money with savvy transfers and save you money by signing less dross that you end up having to pay off early to bin. Whether Holt is that person is a completely different question. Absolutely. The amount we must have spent on signing and paying off players over the last few seasons doesn’t bear thinking about. 100 players signed over the last 5 years and the vast majority have been nowhere near good enough. £45k a year is a small investment to make if it’s going to result in better recruitment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairn in Exile Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 As I have mentioned ad nauseum, it gets on my tits when supporters from other teams plague our thread. I've done my research and just been onto the Caley thread, 2 people online, the Ross County thread, 3 people online, the Saint Johnstone thread, 3 people online. We've got 33 people online at the moment. I get it now. They are lonely as f*ck! And our thread is to them what Wilson was to Tom Hanks in Castaway. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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