Jobs

[Wug]

Fwiw, I emplore any school leavers with a couple of highers in maths and a science, who aren't complete muppets but don't want to go to university, to do trainee designer programmes with one of the engineering companies. I think you need an HNC in engineering and are taken on at 18/19 on decent money primarily doing CAD. By the time you're 22 the pay is about £37k, which is more than the graduates start on. Piss easy job as well, by the looks of it.

[Tryfield]

Good idea Tryfield. I'm sure P&B could get more people back into work than the Job Centre ever will.

I don't know, or care, if your being sarcastic, but in my opinion, the last place you'll get a decent job is in the job centre. It's usually the dross that can't be filled by companies internally or the job is paying the minimum wage. It still counts as a job, which statistically works in the governments favour when they decide to release jobless figures to jobs available.

I visited a job centre last year with a mate who had been out of work for a few weeks. It was an eye-opener. It was a joke that no-one would laugh at. Thanks for your input though Snoater, much appreciated.

[barrysnotter]

Deadly serious, I agree.

No need to take tone with me.

Edited December 5, 2011 by barrysnotter

[Tryfield]

Deadly serious, I agree.

No need to take tone with me.

I do apologise therefore.

[watp1873]

If anyone is looking for plastering or roughcasting work done, give me a shout. Would travel within a 40mile radius of fife

[ICTChris]

I'm currently re-writing my CV so it looks funky and feel a right dick bigging myself up.

I might put one of those Christian Bale smugg smilies in to round it off.

[Cardinal Richelieu]

We're actually looking for a technical author (writing help files, user manuals etc) in my work at the moment (East Kilbride). Quite a good company to work for... pay will probably be around £25k if you've got a couple of years experience. I advertised on Linkedin but the response was lacklustre (although I might well have posted it in the wrong place).

The best bit is if I find someone for the post, I get 500 notes in my hand. Get in.

PM me for more details

[Tryfield]

We're actually looking for a technical author (writing help files, user manuals etc) in my work at the moment (East Kilbride). Quite a good company to work for... pay will probably be around £25k if you've got a couple of years experience. I advertised on Linkedin but the response was lacklustre (although I might well have posted it in the wrong place).

The best bit is if I find someone for the post, I get 500 notes in my hand. Get in.

PM me for more details

Hope it happens.

[H_B]

You and I obviously have a very different idea of what constitutes "well paid". I could quite happily and easily live on £34k a year and be the sole earner in the family.

You realise the point I am making I assume.

Compared to a cleaner, yes, it's a good salary.

Compare that job to say a doctor of any stripe and there will be a huge difference. People tend to group the two job families together as very well-paid professionals.

34K isn't a bad wage at all, but I am willing to bet most people on here expect solicitors to be paid a lot more than that.

It's a bit of a myth that "lawyers" are rich. Some are in the private sector, but many more aren't paid that well at all, relatively speaking.

For example, most of the people I work with in IT will earn more than that. I expect people would be surprised to know that being a computer programmer even as a non-contractor, is more lucrative than a solicitor.

Edited December 6, 2011 by H_B

[Cardinal Richelieu]

Hope it happens.

Thanks mate! I might even be prepared to share the windfall. I was going to do it for a mate who was all lined up for another position here... he aced the interviews and got offered the job. Then the canniving b*****d went back to his existing work and used the job offer to leverage a £4,000 pay rise for himself.

Meanwhile, I saw my £500 go up in smoke and was left explaining why he accepted the job and subsequently dinghied it.

[Lisa Cuddy]

You realise the point I am making I assume.

Compared to a cleaner, yes, it's a good salary.

Compare that job to say a doctor of any stripe and there will be a huge difference. People tend to group the two job families together as very well-paid professionals.

34K isn't a bad wage at all, but I am willing to bet most people on here expect solicitors to be paid a lot more than that.

It's a bit of a myth that "lawyers" are rich. Some are in the private sector, but many more aren't paid that well at all, relatively speaking.

For example, most of the people I work with in IT will earn more than that. I expect people would be surprised to know that being a computer programmer even as a non-contractor, is more lucrative than a solicitor.

I don't think lawyers or solicitors are all rich at all. At the firm I worked for, there was one in particular who forever had several IOUs in the petty cash tin, for example. I would suggest though that your original point could have been made in context. You basically stated that £34 wasn't "well paid", but for an awful lot of people, it would suit us very nicely, thankyouverymuch.

[Tryfield]

Thanks mate! I might even be prepared to share the windfall. I was going to do it for a mate who was all lined up for another position here... he aced the interviews and got offered the job. Then the canniving b*****d went back to his existing work and used the job offer to leverage a £4,000 pay rise for himself.

Meanwhile, I saw my £500 go up in smoke and was left explaining why he accepted the job and subsequently dinghied it.

I'm sure if you offer up half to anyone on here they'll try that wee bit harder. Anyway, a wage of £25k is not to be sniffed at. Good luck.

[Jimmy85]

Compare that job to say a doctor of any stripe and there will be a huge difference.

The staring salary for a junior doctor of the lowest grade is quite a bit less than 34k. That being said, the vast majority of those positions do involve 'out of hours' work which does add a fair whack to their earnings. But to say every doctor earns more than 34k would be wrong.

[Ad Lib]

The staring salary for a junior doctor of the lowest grade is quite a bit less than 34k. That being said, the vast majority of those positions do involve 'out of hours' work which does add a fair whack to their earnings. But to say every doctor earns more than 34k would be wrong.

The chances of a solicitor just out their traineeship getting a starting salary of £34k is also pretty remote. If you're going to compare apples with apples, you'd need to compare a junior doctor against a trainee solicitor.

Edited December 6, 2011 by Ad Lib

[Jimmy85]

The chances of a solicitor just out their traineeship getting a starting salary of £34k is also pretty remote. If you're going to compare apples with apples, you'd need to compare a junior doctor against a trainee solicitor.

Eh? I wasn't comparing the wages of doctors and solicitors. All I was doing was picking H_B up on his comment that a "doctor of any stripe" will earn more than 34k. That simply isn't the case.

[Ad Lib]

Eh? I wasn't comparing the wages of doctors and solicitors. All I was doing was picking H_B up on his comment that a "doctor of any stripe" will earn more than 34k. That simply isn't the case.

Fair enough. Sorry.

[Lisa Cuddy]

The chances of a solicitor just out their traineeship getting a starting salary of £34k is also pretty remote. If you're going to compare apples with apples, you'd need to compare a junior doctor against a trainee solicitor.

We can do that:

Pay for doctors

This page describes the pay for doctors from 1st April 2011.

Doctors in training

Doctors in training earn a basic salary and will be paid a supplement if they work more than 40 hours and/or work outside the hours of 7am-7pm Monday to Friday.

In the most junior hospital trainee post (Foundation Year 1) the basic starting salary is £22,412. This increases in Foundation Year 2 to £27,798. For a doctor in specialist training the basic starting salary is £29,705. If the doctor is contracted to work more than 40 hours and/or to work outside 7am-7pm Monday to Friday, they will receive an additional supplement which will normally be between 20% and 50% of basic salary. This supplement is based on the extra hours worked above a 40 hour standard working week and the intensity of the work.

Specialty doctor and associate specialist (2008) (SAS doctors)

Doctors in the new specialty doctor grade earn between £36,807 and £70,126. See www.nhsemployers.org/sas for more details.

[ICTChris]

All lawyers are just like Maurice Levy from The Wire.

All doctors are basically Harold Shipman with less balls.

[Ad Lib]

We can do that:

And the typical solicitor trainee salary is £15.5k for the first year, £18.5k for the second. First two years after fully qualifying they will typically receive no more than £25-30k depending on location. After about 5 years fully qualified, a solicitors' salary will vary between circa £30k and £65k.

Those figures are from the Law Society of Scotland based on April 2010 stats.

So yeah, doctors are much better paid based on year-for-year comparisons for the first 7-8 years or so in the profession than lawyers.

[Lisa Cuddy]

And the typical solicitor trainee salary is £15.5k for the first year, £18.5k for the second. First two years after fully qualifying they will typically receive no more than £25-30k depending on location. After about 5 years fully qualified, a solicitors' salary will vary between circa £30k and £65k.

Those figures are from the Law Society of Scotland based on April 2010 stats.

So yeah, doctors are much better paid based on year-for-year comparisons for the first 7-8 years or so in the profession than lawyers.

Consider the hours a junior doctor will put in, the training they will have to do and the responsibility it carries, I think it's justified. None of which changes the fact that you can hardly say that £34k a year doesn't consitiute being "well paid".