Guest Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 The fact that this is still even being discussed, just because it's the buns, shows what a farce Football in this Country really is Stop arranging shitey wee meetings that acheive f**k all. Get this fucking scum punted. It's really not difficult. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thistle_do_nicely Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) Technically they are doing more than dealing with Rangers. There are other pieces to the deal too. Teams are viable without Rangers but not with the standard of player the fans are used to. When Dunfermline came up they were strong in the first division but were probably the weakest SPL team ever, apart from Gretna. That is the standard most of the SPL would be reduced to by cutting back more. Players would move to England or other leagues to make more money. They do that already, though, and to be honest we're so far apart that it would take massive investment to make any discernible difference. I don't think the dynamic of players playing in Scotland, Scottish or otherwise (e.g. Farid el Allagui) ultimately aiming to go down south will ever change.Edit: or be significantly weakened by a lesser TV deal etc. here. Edited June 28, 2012 by Thistle_do_nicely 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTJ Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 FFS David Cowan on STV at 14.00 said a decision was expected in the middle of next month. CAN NOBODY MAKE A FECKIN DECISION OR ARRANGE A MEETING....what a total farce this is!! These c***s couldn't arrange a piss up in a brewery. A meeting about a meeting about a meeting, aw f**k off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Bearing in mind that the majority of the Tartan Army is made up of fans from the Diddy Clubs.......could we see an empty Hampden Park for Scotland's World Cup Qualifiers ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No8. Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) There are no critical issues affecting our game. There are just critical issues affecting Rangers 2.0. What a slimy peice of $hit statement. How clear do they want us to be?! I'm convinced they are hoping we get protest fatigue and in the hope that they can squeeze something through at short notice. The very fact this is even being considered surely shows there are critical issues at certain clubs. Motherwell have said they may go into Administration without the money brought in by The Rangers. Rangers supporters i know believe now it is the SFL 3 and are disgusted the champions of Sporting integrity would even consider this. To claim there are no critical issues at quite a few other clubs smacks of head firmly in the sand Edited June 28, 2012 by No8. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 whats the point in scottish football if this is the attitude we take to fair play i doubt this will be enough to persuade the SFL teams hopefully if it is that'l be me done with football i recon might aswell get the bulldozers in because plenty fans are going to walk over this 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Must be time for a special EGM at the SFA, surely they aren't looking after the needs of the majority with this tosh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 Haven't e-mailed the SFA, SFL, or SPL, or indeed the RSPCA... As is my own personal way though, I e-mailed my own club's BOD. Dear Sirs, Over the years I have contacted you once or twice if I have had a concern about the club or the proposed takeover of the club. Mr Gilmour has been good enough to contact me at home and discuss my concerns, which is greatly appreciated. I am sending this particular message to voice my concern over today's reports (June 28) on both the BBC and STV, which indicate that there are moves afoot to re-organise Scottish football, which would see a Sevco 5088 or Sevco Scotland Ltd 'newco' club begin life in the second-top division of Scottish football. One thing I would like to say straight away is that there is always a chance that the BBC and STV reports are inaccurate, or have been deliberately engineered to once more raise the hopes of those who have an interest in the fortunes of any prospective Sevco 5088 or Sevco Scotland Ltd 'newco' club. However, if there is any substance to the story, which intimates that discussions have taken place 'behind closed doors', then this message is to register my disgust at the prospect of any such scheme being implemented. Scottish football needs re-organisation, of that there is no doubt. However, this re-organisation should not be hastily implemented simply to try and grease the way for a Sevco 5088 or Sevco Scotland Ltd 'newco' club to begin their life in Scottish football anywhere other than the very bottom of the pile - and even then, only after competing for any such vacant SFL slot with any other interested parties, such as Spartans or others who have in the past, attempted to gain entry to the SFL. Rangers FC (as we knew them from 1873-2012) are no more. Technically they still are - until the 8-10 week period that sees liquidation replace administration is over that is. However, the situation is clear. We are not looking at Rangers FC being 'demoted' or 'relegated' or indeed 'punished'.... through their own actions, Rangers FC entered administration, are going through liquidation, and it would appear that under their new owner Mr Charles Green, are possibly attempting to re-emerge from the ruins of that club as Sevco 5088 or Sevco Scotland Ltd 'newco' club. They have no players, no SFA membership.... They may or may not apply for such membership by the deadline imposed of Friday June 29th. If they do make an application - they are a new club, a new entity - and that new entity still faces a myriad of issues even to be a credible and sustainable football club in the first place. They should receive no favours, no special treatment because they rose from the ashes of Rangers FC. Re-organising Scottish football to accomodate this Sevco 5088 or Sevco Scotland Ltd 'newco' club would be a despicable act in my personal opinion - especially as this BBC and STV story has come so quickly on the back of the NO to Sevco 5088 or Sevco Scotland Ltd 'newco' club directly entering the SPL itself. On hearing that news, many of us chose to go ahead and renew our season tickets for our respective clubs, thinking that we were at last on the correct and proper path. I would be interested to hear your views on the matter. The chairmen of all SPL clubs must by now be acutely aware of the strength of feeling amongst supporters that the only way forward, the only right and just way forward, is for any Sevco 5088 or Sevco Scotland Ltd 'newco' club to be treated the same as any new start-up club would be, and that certainly does not include a hastily arranged re-organisation of our national game for their benefit. Yours Sincerely, Paul Baird. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Graham Spiers@GrahamSpiersFor anyone interested: I’m doing an SPL/Rangers/Newco Q and A with Kilmarnock fans tonight, Grand Hall in Kilmarnock, 7.30 kick-off. Unless Mr. Spiers is party to information not yet in the public domain, I doubt he'll be able to add to info. on this forum. Let's hope none of the BrownShirts pitch up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdTheDuck Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 They do that already, though, and to be honest we're so far apart that it would take massive investment to make any discernible difference. I don't think the dynamic of players playing in Scotland, Scottish or otherwise (e.g. Farid el Allagui) ultimately aiming to go down south will ever change.Edit: or be significantly weakened by a lesser TV deal etc. here. Don't talk nonsense; less money doesn't just mean not bringing in the same standard of Johnny Foreigner, it also means less money for youth development which is where the money should have been going in the first place. Weaken our clubs even more financially and kids won't be fucking off down South at 20 or 21 they'll be going there straight from school. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Join me...... You want to go back to 1872......then we could stop the Oldco even forming in the first place ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faganlives Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Bearing in mind that the majority of the Tartan Army is made up of fans from the Diddy Clubs.......could we see an empty Hampden Park for Scotland's World Cup Qualifiers ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomtown Boy Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Just catching up, this shit moves at 100 mph!!!! I am disgusted about whats being talked about and Rod Petrie...Rod fvcking Petrie (I am a Hibs supporter btw who has found life in the juniors far more appealing, wonder why??) he can fvck right off. I spent a small fortune of my hard earned money at the club over the years fvck I even got married there and cost me £15k, endless years of season tickets and strips buying into the shite that was on offer most weeks (lets no kid ourselves guys) but he can kiss my arse if he has anything to do with this. I am gutted that I only yesterday promised my 6 year old the new Hibs home kit for going on holiday next week and he is too young to understand all this shit good mind to promise him Barcelona strip instead. Why would Petrie get involved with this? Hibs better clarify what their involvement is pronto. As for the proposals we dont want them fans dont want them when will the powers that be understand this. If the proposals go through I can see no hope for Scottish football, all this makes the juniors seem like the best run organisation on the planet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillieJimbo Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Bearing in mind that the majority of the Tartan Army is made up of fans from the Diddy Clubs.......could we see an empty Hampden Park for Scotland's World Cup Qualifiers ? It won't hurt to let the SFA think this might be an issue, that's for sure. Time to let them know that it's not just the SPL who is under threat from bending over for newco. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 This looks a bit more hopeful if there's anything in it, from the Express though.. Thursday June 28,2012 By David Ewart Have your say(0) SCOTTISH football’s dramatic league reconstruction could see the top flight follow the complex Belgian model. Express Sport understands the 16-team Belgian Pro League could be used as the blueprint for the top tier of the Scottish game. The SFA has been involved in discussions with the SPL and SFL chief David Longmuir over restructuring the game along with a potential merger of the league bodies in the wake of the Rangers crisis. One option on the table is believed to be a version of the complicated Belgian top flight. The Belgian top tier consists of 16 teams, who face each other home and away before entering into play-off one, play-off two and relegation play-offs. The top six team would contest play-off one, where they compete for the championship and European places. The clubs from seventh to 14 would split into two groups of four, where the group winners would battle it out a Europa League play-off. While the bottom two clubs will be involved in a relegation play-off, facing each other five times. If a version of this was brought into Scotland it would be for the start of the 2013/14 season. Another option understood to being discussed by league powerbrokers is three leagues of 14-teams and that would be introduced for the start of this season. It is understood that option would see Dunfermline, Dundee and Falkirk promoted for the top flight for the forthcoming campaign, while crisis club Rangers would begin life in the second tier of the Scottish game. My link 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurcher Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 This looks a bit more hopeful if there's anything in it, from the Express though.. My link They've just pinched that from here, from twitter or from some other forum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owsley Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 And here was me thinking bomber didnt have a Hope. Why doesn't anybody in this saga have a normal name that doesn't provoke puns or sarky comments - Green and Whyte, now Brown, Hope, Duff and Phelps(Nuff n' Helps), Bill (I)NG, Another Bill(they can't pay them), and then the coincidences like the Queen shaking hands with Martin McGuiness (Ho! Ho! Things just get worse for Rangers fans), the announcement of the No to Independence campaign on the same day so many Rangers players said No, and the downright wacky... the children's clown who got money instead of the fans fighting fund, the porn star who started the EBT scenario, Joanna Lumley giving Minty Murray the spanish archer and so many more. I hope someone is keeping notes, this is going to be a hell of a book. Will make War and Peace look like a note to the milkman. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 This looks a bit more hopeful if there's anything in it, from the Express though.. My link They're just going from Gilmour's comments. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Unless Mr. Spiers is party to information not yet in the public domain, I doubt he'll be able to add to info. on this forum. Let's hope none of the BrownShirts pitch up. I'm going. Will send updates. It's the KFCSA who have organised it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorgieYaBass Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Just in the hoose. Not got a clue what's happened. Why is everyone goin radio fuckin rental. I'm sensing I'm no gonny be happy!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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