Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!

[Shades75]

They obviously do, it just does not excuse your lie

So the newspaper quote that you indicated as being wrong as they used the word, "granted" are liars too?

What about if they had said, "given" or, "allowed" would that have been a lie too?

Of course not. It is merely different words used to mean the same thing.

[SS-18 ICBM]

[WhiteRoseKillie]

Sorry was the SFA statement too long for you, let me shorten it and highlight the important word

who will be the new owners of The Rangers Football Club

Now if you do not believe the SFA, then i cannot help you, they have an an address I suggest your write to them

Oh dear, all your clever formatting confused the spelling and grammar centre again...

1. Define "transfer".

2. How many companies are members of the SFA.

Not rocket science, really.

ETA: spilleng.

Edited December 17, 2012 by WhiteRoseKillie

[Shades75]

Rangers chief executive Charles Green said: “The agreement signed today allows Rangers to be granted membership by the SFA and finally enables the club to move forward.

Liar.

[Bendarroch]

let's be fair to Bhendarroch here - on the previous page, in one of his few non orcwank posts, he did state that he would not buy shares as he felt Chuckie was ripping off the whole set-up to line his own pockets.

I think part of this share issue will be used to aid the club - far, far too much of it will be used to line his own pockets and those of his nameless investors. None of it will be mine.

I don't trust the man.

[Shades75]

I trust the SFA terminology before I would trust CG or some daily rag and especially you

They are using a different word to mean entirely the same thing.

As did the BBC, The Daily Mail, The Record..etc....

They must all be liars.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

Aye you did that all by yourself

And you were sharp enough to beat the edit (less than a minute). Well done.

Now, "transfer"?

List of SFA member companies?

[WhiteRoseKillie]

I think part of this share issue will be used to aid the club - far, far too much of it will be used to line his own pockets and those of his nameless investors. None of it will be mine.

I don't trust the man.

Your last five words make more sense than 95% of the bollox you post.

I would say, in reference to the first part of your post - the absolute minimum will be spent on making sure the Horde have something that they can continue to throw money at, a large proportion of which will go nowhere near the club. We've been telling you lot* this for months, since rangers posters on here dismissed all the Blades' slagging of Charlie as "sour grapes". Glad to see the scales are beginning to fall from the eyes - even if it is far too late.

*Those of you who were here, anyroad.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

Transfer

exactly as the SFA define it

'We are pleased to confirm that agreement has been reached on all outstanding points relating to the transfer of the Scottish FA membership between Rangers FC (In Administration), and Sevco Scotland Ltd, who will be the new owners of The Rangers Football Club

List the companies yourself, I am not your gofer

Again, that is not a definition. Try this - define "definition".

List of companies who are members of the SFA - to my knowledge:

Feel free to add - I can only find football clubs.

[Shades75]

If they used the word GRANTED then yes they are entirely wrong

They're not entirely wrong. They're using a word as a descriptive term in a context which makes perfect sense.

I see you've stopped calling me a liar though.

Maybe you'll grow a backbone and apologise for that?

[TheTaxMan]

I think part of this share issue will be used to aid the club - far, far too much of it will be used to line his own pockets and those of his nameless investors. None of it will be mine.

I don't trust the man.

You would seem to be in a minority among your own support with that view. A bunch of Rangers supporting mates were discussing Chucky in my local yesterday and he seems to have almost god like status in most of their eyes, didn't see to many of them posting their cheques for shares right enough.

[SS-18 ICBM]

I'll leave you to work the rest out for yourself.

"This has to be said about Rangers, as a Scottish Football club they are a permanent embarrassment and an occasional disgrace. This country would be a better place if Rangers did not exist."

Ian Archer (journalist, 1970s), for full article see: link

"The incessant bigoted chanting by Rangers fans at Hampden was shocking. Unarguably the most socially-backward fans in British football. The really damaging thing for RFC is, it's not the mythical 'small minority'. There appear to be 1000s upon 1000s singing these songs."

Graham Spiers (Journalist) on his Twitter feed commenting on the **** in their league cup final appearance (March 2011) (match)

COMEDIAN Andy Cameron was barracked by fellow Rangers' shareholders yesterday when he asked the club's chairman Mr John Paton to "come out and be honest" about the board's policy towards Roman Catholics. Mr Cameron, whose earlier remarks about the calibre of the Rangers' team had drawn laughs and cheers from the floor of the club's annual meeting, was heckled and told to sit down. Minutes later, a number of shareholders milled round Mr Cameron and exchanged angry remarks with him.

The Herald (Oct 2010); the above happened in 1985

Brian Clough: "What team did you say you support again?"Man in the studio audience: "RANGERS!" Brian Clough: "That's not a football team! That's a gang of villains."

The irrepressible Brian Clough on "Sport in Question"

"In every hick town in Caledonia across the pseudo nation, you can see the most ****** up scum who were shat into creation, where a blue McEwans' lager top equals NO imagination!" Think you're a success?

Irvine Welsh, the irrepressible novelist on his opinion about Rangers fans (1996)

"I'd just come from Italy and France which are catholic countries,very warm and friendly,and here I was in Glasgow with some of my team-mates [i.e. fellow Rangers players] hating catholics. I just couldn't understand it and frankly found it ridiculous."

Ray Wilkins on an ESPN documentary said about Rangers (June 2007)

Walter Smith, a two-time former manager of the club and now manager of Scotland, once said to me: "There is a Protestant superiority syndrome around this club . . . you can feel it."

Graham Spiers quoting Walter Smith (taken from his book on Paul Le Guen's time at Rangers, 2007)

"When I came here in 1964, we had no Catholics," he said. "Not just the playing staff, anywhere. There was no bit of paper, it was an unwritten rule. David Murray changed that and it moved on significantly in 1989 when Maurice Johnston signed. You cannot clear up 80 years of sectarianism in eight months, but we are a huge way down the road."

Sandy Jardine

"It was not until the 1960's that the burning issue of sectarianism reared its ugly head at Ibrox. A former player, Ralph Brand, made the sectarian policy at Rangers public knowledge and around this time the behaviour of Rangers fans was a real problem for the club. In 1963, Rangers fans jeered during the minute's silence for assassinated Catholic U.S. President John F. Kennedy. Then, in 1967, then vice Chairman Matt Taylor was questioned about Rangers no Catholics policy and he stated that he felt that the policy was "part of our tradition....we were formed in 1873 as a Protestant boys club. To change now would lose us considerable support."

Vice-Chairman Matt Taylor of Rangers from 1960s

To the Rangers fans: "Stay and vomit in your own home, urinate in the corner of your own sitting room, fight with your own neighbours Celtic (who deserve a medal for putting up with you) and foul the streets of Glasgow. Don't come back to Barcelona, you're an embarrassment. And while we're at it, don't play in the Champions League. You're not up to scratch, either on a sporting or human level."

"There are noisy supports who, even though they drink large quantities of beer, make friends. Not you lot, because you turn everywhere you go into dumps. You are undesirables."

El Mundo Deportivo Newspaper on Rangers after the Rangers game v Barcelona in the Nou Camp (Nov 07) Full Article: "Don't come back to Barcelona" (Nov 07)

'Terry Butcher had little idea of the sectarian divide he was stepping into when he arrived at Rangers in the summer of 1986 in a £750,000 deal.But he had been given an inkling as a young pro when he blessed himself before a match and fell foul of senior team-mate Allan Hunter, a Northern Ireland international Butcher said: "I recall one incident at Ipswich before a reserve game when I crossed myself, something I'd seen Alan Brazil do. "Big Allan Hunter was sitting in the stand and after the game he grabbed me and asked me if I was a Catholic. I told him I wasn't. I was an English Protestant. Why, then, he asked, did I cross myself? "I told him it was for luck but he told me to remember I was a Protestant and warned me never to do it again - if I did, he would really sort me out."

Based on Terry Butcher's book, surprising Ally Hunter would later have Celtic down for his testimonial (in 1981)

"The people in that CCTV footage acted like a pack of wolves. Whatever happened earlier there was no excuse for this level of violence. "

Assistant Chief Constable Justine Curran, the match commander during Rangers' shame in the UEFA Cup Final "Battle of Piccadilly" in Manchester (see link)

Lionel Messi, the Barcelona striker, accused the Scottish side of indulging in "anti-football" when the same goalless Ibrox scoreline was achieved against his own team in the Champions League. Now Mutu has expressed his own distaste. "I've never seen a team play like that at home before, but that is their game, their tactic, and what they believe in," he said. "I thought maybe they would want to make more of a spectacle for the fans. For me, it was an ugly game. They were defending all the time and I just hope we see a bit more attacking, some spectacular"

Mutu (Fiorentina) on Rangers just before 2nd leg game in UEFA cup v **** (Apr 08)

"The wife of a Rangers Supporters Club secretary from East Kilbride declared that she had been suffering from insomnia as a result of disturbing religious visions involving Johnston: "My blood is boiling. Is Mo Johnston going to run about Ibrox with his crucifix? I've though about nothing else all night." David Miller, General Secretary of the Rangers Supporters Association was peddling an equally hard line: "I never thought in my wildest dreams that they would sign him. Why him above all? It's a sad day for Rangers. There will be a lot of people handing in their season tickets. I don't want to see a Roman Catholic at Ibrox. Rangers have always stood for one thing and the biggest majority of the support have been brought up with the idea of a true blue Rangers team. I thought they would sign a Catholic eventually, perhaps in three or four years time, but someone from the continent."

Quotes from Not The View Fanzine

"We signed him as a football player firstly, and also to break the tradition of this club in not signing a Roman Catholic. That was wrong, "

Rangers Chairman admits they had a sectarian signing policy in interview (21 Nov 08)

"He said I deserved more than that - I was going off. I'd never been sent off in my career and so I had this conversation with him. Basically I told him that, if he sent me off, he'd be demoted from Grade One refereeing - the lot. That was in the days when Rangers had a good relationship with the Scottish FA."

Football Bloody Hell by Patrick Barclay when it mentions a tussle between Alex Ferguson and John Greig (Rangers player) that results in Greig getting sent off. Greig who felt he deserved only a booking relates. Plus ca change....<

"....yes we've had some pretty rank poets over the years. Thomson was probably a Rangers fan in-waiting. Rule Britannia has no modern value and should be dumped in the dustbin of history. It celebrates sentiments and ideologies that have brought great shame on parts of 'our' collective British history. Anyone that thinks slavery is smart or justifiable or just a wind up should reconsider why this song still persists in parts of Neanderthal British life. Forget the 'Hokey Cokey' guff, Rule Britannia is a song that lords it over other races, celebrates institutionalised racism, and promotes racial supremacy and it should be banned. No correction it should not need to be banned. People should be so ashamed of its vile sentiments they would not knowingly sing it. Its hardly surprising that Rangers fans are the exception. No one else would want to sing this dated piece of imperialist cant. "

Stuart Cosgrove (Journalist)

Rangers have been dubbed "the stupidest club in Europe" by France Football magazine. Senior correspondent Christophe Larcher condemned Rangers in a scathing attack on Strasbourg's opponents in the UEFA Cup first round. He said, "Rangers have spent fortunes on second-rate players and they keep getting knocked out in the first round of European competition. For these reasons they deserve the title of the stupidest club in the continent. As if further proof was needed, they went out against Gothenburg in the European Cup qualifiers after a 3-0 thrashing in Sweden."

Christophe Larcher (France Football) 3 September 1997

"The famous Rangers Iron Curtain of the 1940s derived from the emphasis on physical strength which Struth had developed in the previous decades. Another potent factor was they were all Protestants, to a man (with suspicions over one or two). And it mattered, deeply. Hardly an eyebrow was raised in Scottish society about this exclusivity during the Struth reign. People largely acquiesced as simply a fact of life. And Struth himself, with a penchant for made-to-measure three-piece suits, a stern countenance and a master of moral rebuke, seemed to be the epitome of the Presbyterian High Tory for whom the tugging of the forelock was expected in an orderly, unchanging society." Certainly people from both sides of the divide had a high regard for him as a man of principle, including Paddy Travers of Clyde, a Catholic with whom Struth had holidayed on the Isle of Man. And, ironically, there was a great bond between the man who effectively brought Stein to Parkhead, Jimmy Gribben the Celtic trainer, for whom Struth kept a "wee hauf" at Ibrox any time Celtic played there. "At that time he was not being forced to engage himself with the highly dubious morality of valuing people of another religion as not fit for purpose. With ample Protestant talent available to him, on the principle of "If it ain't broke, why fix it?", life simply rolled on. "That is why the Struth legacy contains a crucial paradox for the modern Rangers. It can be interpreted in two ways. Without doubt the triumphs, the longevity, the production of great players, all point to a man of distinction and talent. On the other hand, from the baseline of supremacy and triumphalism set, he bequeathed the club a dilemma. The temptation to maintain the tradition was initially overpowering. Waddell and Wallace in the 1970s and 1980s began to see their recruitment options diminishing but were shackled by their own personal inclinations."

The Herald article on Bill Struth (link)

"Friendly against Rangers , no such thing they'll be on the rampage they are hooligans!"

"The Likely Lads" (English TV show, 1970s)

"Assault with a deadly weapon, GBH and attempted murder..........what are they? Rangers Fans".

"The Sweeney" (English TV Show, 1970s)

"There was no problem as far as [the English Players] Ray Wilkins, Chris Woods, Mark Walters, I and some others were concerned. But the Scottish players - Davie Cooper, Ian Ferguson, Ally McCoist, John Brown and the rest - declined because they had received so many calls from friends telling them not to become involved. "Jimmy Bell didn't want to become involved at all. "Mo [Johnstone] roomed with Ally McCoist, as he had done for the national team, and it was Jimmy's practice to put fresh kit outside everyone's room for the next day. "But he refused to do so for Mo, just leaving Ally's, forcing Mo to go down three flights of stairs to the kit room to fetch his gear."

Ex-Rangers Captain Terry Butcher's Biography on the bigotry at Ibrox when ex-Celt & Catholic Mo Johnstone joined them

MO Johnston turned Scottish football on its head when he sensationally snubbed Celtic to join Rangers in July 1989Gers' first high-profile Catholic signing in the modern era made nationwide headlines. But Terry Butcherhas revealed how Johnston was initially treated as an outcast by some of his Scottish team-mates at Ibrox. And Rangers kitman Jimmy Bel, made sure he got the message, refusing to leave Mo's training kit outside his hotel door at their Italian pre-season base, as he did with other players. Former club captain Tel explains in his autobiography: "It was, as far as I was concerned, a fabulous signing for the club because Mo was such a good player, while Souness had achieved his ambition of beginning to break down the sectarian barriers at Ibrox. "Our only doubt was we knew Mo was fiercely proud of being a Celtic fan and we wondered how he would settle. We need not have worried - he was terrific. "Next day, the club wanted the Scottish and English players to hold a press conference to tell the media what a good signing he was. "There was no problem as far as Ray Wilkins, Chris Woods, Mark Walters, I and some others were concerned. But the Scottish players - Davie Cooper, Ian Ferguson, Ally McCoist, John Brown and the rest - declined because they had received so many calls from friends telling them not to become involved. "Jimmy Bell didn't want to become involved at all. "Mo roomed with Ally McCoist, as he had done for the national team, and it was Jimmy's practice to put fresh kit outside everyone's room for the next day. "But he refused to do so for Mo, just leaving Ally's, forcing Mo to go down three flights of stairs to the kit room to fetch his gear. "Mo did so stoicallyand without complaint. In fact, in the end he made a joke about it. "But this was a complete upheaval for the club. Even at meal-times there were a number of Scots who would not sit with him. "What had happened to the moral high ground claimed by Rangers? "They always used to say it was Celtic who were intolerant and unable to cope with the mixing of religions. Wrong. "There were no such difficulties for the English players, of course. "All we knew was that we had signed a good player who was going to help us retain our title."

Ex-Rangers Captain Terry Butcher's Biography on the bigotry at Ibrox when ex-Celt & Catholic Mo Johnstone joined them

"Football has moved on to a different planet and Scottish football has got to go with it."

Rangers chairman David Murray, (1997)

"[Rangers are] the second most important institution in Scotland after the Church of Scotland."

David Murray(2010), *** Delusion and trying to pander to their knuckle-draggers with this kind of statement. Decent members of the CoS keep their distance.

"I feel very sorry for Airdrie and their supporters but we're running a business. We have given them repeated warnings and felt they were playing on our good nature."

*** Chairman David Murray on Airdrie during their liquidation. Interesting in light of Rangers later financial debacles (2002)

"The club simply cannot shake off the stigma of bigotry. It is excruciating."

Graham Spiers (2011)

"They have a church, too. In their illiterate and incoherent scheme of things, Calvary is probably a collective for horses and maybe Gethsemane is something mysterious that happens in a sperm-bank. No, their real religion is Rangers Football Club."Glasgow Rangers is the sporting icon for loyalist bigots. The club's own words are irreproachably neutral. It is law-abiding. It is patriotically British. Its outward message is of harmony and ecumenism. But to the large thug element amongst the Rangers fans the key to their identity is almost like the Third Secret of Fatima. It is this: NO ******S here."There is a congenial, indeed government-backed myth, in both Scotland and in Ireland, that "one side is bad as another": that Sinn Fein-IRA are pretty much the same as the UDA/UVF. This is simply untrue. There is no republican equivalent to the Romper Rooms of the UDA, wherein men were routinely beaten to a pulp by loyalist thugs, and from which both the term and the practice became celebrated. And then there was Lenny Murphy and his merry gang, the Shankill Butchers, who for years in the mid-1970s abducted, tortured and murdered Catholics -- usually by cutting their victims' throats. "This culture did not emerge simply as a response to IRA violence. It was there already. It was feckless, violent, drunken, lost, lumpen proletarians for whom a perverted tribal identity conjoined with a Godlessly Calvinist sense of superiority, even as they stewed in their ghettoes of suffocating illiteracy and economic failure. But they were nonetheless elevated by the insane delusion that they are the chosen people, who have been deprived of their birthright by some vast conspiracy between the Catholic Church and the British government."

Kevin Myres (Independent.ie)

"Rangers had an unfortunate historical legacy with regard to the religious issue. When we signed Mo it became clear it was no longer a pre-requisite that you belonged to one religious persuasion, but not another, in order to sign for the club."

Walter Smith tries to belitte his club's long-held old sectarian signing policy (Dec 2012)

"Glasgow Rangers had their fans barred from entry, played pig-ugly football and behaved like swine.

"The Scots realized that they would not be able to eliminate Malmö from the Champions League fairly. Therefore they resorted to intimidating, kicking and fighting them. It was pathetic."Edu should have been sent off having been well warned. McCulloch's yellow card when he kicked Durmaz from behind should have been a red - Durmaz should have been red carded when he retaliated, but wasn't even warned - and when Majid Bougherra assaulted Dardan Rexhepi leaving him almost unconscious, the sending off was indisputable. "This was how Rangers acted. "Their fans were banned from European matches. Their team should also be."

Mattias Larsson (following Rangers defeat to Malmo in Aug 2011; from www.expressen.se, source: http://www.expressen...jakla.-rattvist)

"Rangers are a big club but unfortunately they are behaving like a little one."

Steve Lomas (St Johnstone Manager, self-admitted Rangers fan as a kid, Jan 2012)

[Ken Fitlike]

Are you being trained in surveillance techniques and how to interpret information by 00WKR?

Is he the one telling you that the letter 'h' is an indicator of 'a master race'? Did you buy into it?

[Ken Fitlike]

Sorry was the SFA statement too long for you, let me shorten it and highlight the important word

who will be the new owners of The New Rangers Football Club

Now if you do not believe the SFA, then i cannot help you, they have an an address I suggest your write to them

FFFY

[Bendarroch]

You would seem to be in a minority among your own support with that view. A bunch of Rangers supporting mates were discussing Chucky in my local yesterday and he seems to have almost god like status in most of their eyes, didn't see to many of them posting their cheques for shares right enough.

I can tell you that very few of my Rangers supporting pals are handing over money to Green.

Most of us might chuckle at his comments - very few have their eyes closed.

Ultimately he's not important. If he fucks us over he'll be chased. We'll still be right there supporting the club long after he's fucked off with his pension.

[wunfellaff]

It's a variant on the 'choc-ice' racist comment - dark on the outside, white on the inside. A defamation of the person it is aimed at is always there of course, but it's the insulting nature of what it aims to illustrate that is fundamentally racist.

Whatever being 'white on the inside' might mean to the hard of thinking delivering the term - the intention is perfectly clear: it is not a good thing to be.

Especially so if you happen to be 'dark on the outside'. It's pathetic that a man in Powar's position would employ the language let alone remain in his post as exec of an anti-racist organisation.

I remember when mark Walters signed. It was only, repeat only, Rangers fans who referred to him as a jaffa cake. But, hey, the smashing orangie bit in the middle suited your agenda then so that made it okay .......

[WhiteRoseKillie]

Body removed as we've already seen it on multiple occasions

Seriously, how many MORE times? We know who and what they are.

[stonedsailor]

I can tell you that very few of my Rangers supporting pals are handing over money to Green.

Most of us might chuckle at his comments - very few have their eyes closed.

Ultimately he's not important. If he fucks us over he'll be chased. We'll still be right there supporting the club long after he's fucked off with his pension.

This one is almost cured, we should consider day release after a wee spell in the unsecured ward.

[~~~]

Ultimately he's not important. If he fucks us over he'll be chased. We'll still be right there supporting the club long after he's fucked off with his pension.

[Bendarroch]

I remember when mark Walters signed. It was only, repeat only, Rangers fans who referred to him as a jaffa cake. But, hey, the smashing orangie bit in the middle suited your agenda then so that made it okay .......

And I remember the shower of bananas that the plastics greeted him with when he made his debut at darkhead. Your point, caller?

My comments on Powar's shame were not intended to excuse anyone else's moronic racism.

Edited December 17, 2012 by Bendarroch