Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!

[MikeyWellFan]

Sing that at Ibrox and you will get horsed out and told never to come back...that is reality of where we are today, not 20 years ago.

But sing it at Hampden and you'll be fine?

[stonedsailor]

Apart from use the division that already existed for marketing purposes.

Both clubs exploited sectarianism to the max. They didn't cause the problem but they have helped fuel the fire for many years.

Without that fuel they would have run out of steam years ago. The dying out of sectarianism, it is dying, has already seen one of those clubs die and it's replacement failing badly.

[kildog]

...and yet one of them adopted a sectarian signing policy.

Cute that you wish to defend it though.

It's classic stuff.

[stonedsailor]

as does religion

....and the baggage that follows it around

You are conversing with a confirmed atheist.

FWIW I like blue, it's my favourite colour but your posts do my head in. I wish they never because, now that I am taking notice, I like your way of thinking and writing. Drop the crayola sponsorship.

[aofjays]

But sing it at Hampden and you'll be fine?

Celtic Park a few weeks beforehand as well.

[forever_blue]

I don't agree. We're an advanced, left leaning country, one in which most forms of bigotry and unthinking prejudice have come to be frowned upon, legislated against and marginalised.

However, we can still have gatherings of over 30,000 people where huge numbers can sing about ****** blood in an environment which they feel - and that ultimately does - permit it ( I'm thinking here of the Christmas time fixture away at QP 18 months ago).

No such arena for the expression of such ant-social sentiment otherwise exists. Football sustains this.

It's pretty damn obvious.

We obviously can't be that advanced a country if you believe that we would let football dictate a bitter sectarian divide. If rangers and Celtic had never been around then other organisations would have been clung onto and passed down to the next generation, the songs would have still been sung it just so happened that as already put football was an easy way for people to gather and express their political views.

Scotland has always been a left leaning country but the difference is particularly with Glasgow and the surrounding areas the role of Irish immigration both the Protestants and Catholics who came over played in shaping the Glasgow we know today, and as already put these people brought their politics, culture and resentment for the other community with them. Is it not something like 1 third of Glasgow population has direct Irish background? The tensions created by the role of this huge influx of immigration would have thrived regardless of wether rangers and Celtic existed or not. It would be the equivalent of 200, 000 Iraqi immigrants moving to Glasgow in the next few months with a mixture of Sunni and shiit Muslims, do you believe that the resentment felt by these two communities towards each other would be eradicated within 100 years of living in Scotland?

[MikeyWellFan]

I expected the SFA to do something, they did f**k all, they never take action against Dundee or any of the other clubs who sing about being up to their knees in some groups blood either.

But but but they do it aswell.

Embarrassing.

If it's unacceptable at Ibrox nowadays why did it get sung at Hampden? What's the difference?

[williemillersmoustache]

Sing that at Ibrox and you will get horsed out and told never to come back...that is reality of where we are today, not 20 years ago.

I was at Dens a few weeks ago, they were singing the same tune but this time it was arab blood, the majority were singing it, the Man city fans replied with their own version and again they were up to their knees in some groups blood.

I look forward to you condemning all these fans too.

Both armed forces shambles seem pretty recent. Can't remember seeing anyone horsed out and told never to come back. Do you?

[stonedsailor]

But but but they do it aswell.

Embarrassing.

If it's unacceptable at Ibrox nowadays why did it get sung at Hampden? What's the difference?

More easily identified at their own ground.

[forever_blue]

Celtic Park a few weeks beforehand as well.

when dd we play at celtic park 18 months ago ? aofjays talking shite again ?

[youngsy]

Aw Jesus.

Are you both now seriously claiming that lodge membership etc would be greater, were it not for the existence of Rangers?

Don't be ridiculous. Members of such bodies would be viewed far more widely as the sad inadequates they are, were it not for the existence of a football club which lends such bonkerdom a perceived legitimacy.

Let me put it this way. In 1981 there was an upsurge in membership of both the OO and Republican Associations in the UK, both peaked that year and then dropped off within a two year period. The reason of such an upsurge was down to two reasons, rightly or wrongly. One reason was the hunger strikes another was the impending visit of the Pope in 1982, the reason for the upsurge in membership was nothing whatsoever to do with either club.

Before either club existed there was a greater membership in such organisations than there are now. Whether they would be more widely viewed as inadequates than they are at the moment is not the issue, they would still require a focal point and this would be an outlet for them. As i've said the clubs aren't the cause of sectarianism, certainly over the years they didn't do too much to eradicate it but if both had never been founded there would still have been this problem.

[MikeyWellFan]

That was my original point, it is still very much valid despite your wish to ignore it.

Why can't you address the singing without embarrassing whataboutery?

Why is it acceptable at Hampden but not at Ibrox?

[forever_blue]

How exactly did he know you were (in his mind) a legitimate target for that particular insult?

because rangers were playing at easter road that day and maybe the scarf I had round my neck was reason for him to believe I was a rangers fan and therfor was enough of a reason to label me an orange barsteward for that. tbh i have thick skin so it did not bother me in the slightest, i could cry mock outrage but i am really no that bothered

I have no proof for his maw been a spoon burner other than he looked like a neddy leith arse

[aofjays]

when dd we play at celtic park 18 months ago ? aofjays talking shite again ?

Where did MikeyWellFan mention a date? Any time since it being banned in 2006 would prove the point.

[MikeyWellFan]

Why cant you address the original point without being a shitebag?

You said 'sing that Ibrox and you'll get horsed out and told never to come back'.

I asked why Rangers fans at Hampden thought singing a song that, according to you is widely condemed, is acceptable there.

You then went on about how Dundee sing it aswell which has nothing to do with Rangers at all.

[Taza]

Sing that at Ibrox and you will get horsed out and told never to come back...that is reality of where we are today, not 20 years ago.

I was at Dens a few weeks ago, they were singing the same tune but this time it was arab blood, the majority were singing it, the Man city fans replied with their own version and again they were up to their knees in some groups blood.

I look forward to you condemning all these fans too.

Different thing entirely. You can't turn a group of football fans' singing bad things about another group of football fans into an 'ism'. When Dundee fans sign about Arabs, it's not racial. They are not actually singing about the people of Saudi and Kuwait etc.

[YassinMoutaouakil]

I've been called a ****** numerous times for wearing green, I'd get used to it if I were you.

[MikeyWellFan]

because rangers were playing at easter road that day and maybe the scarf I had round my neck was reason for him to believe I was a rangers fan and therfor was enough of a reason to label me an orange barsteward for that. tbh i have thick skin so it did not bother me in the slightest, i could cry mock outrage but i am really no that bothered

I have no proof for his maw been a spoon burner other than he looked like a neddy leith arse

See if you were walking down the road with your mates without colours on do you think you wouldn't have been abused?

[aofjays]

Why cant you address the original point without being a shitebag?

It was the line "Up to our knees in ****** blood" that got the song banned. Were others singing this? You should report them.

[stonedsailor]

Let me put it this way. In 1981 there was an upsurge in membership of both the OO and Republican Associations in the UK, both peaked that year and then dropped off within a two year period. The reason of such an upsurge was down to two reasons, rightly or wrongly. One reason was the hunger strikes another was the impending visit of the Pope in 1982, the reason for the upsurge in membership was nothing whatsoever to do with either club.

Before either club existed there was a greater membership in such organisations than there are now. Whether they would be more widely viewed as inadequates than they are at the moment is not the issue, they would still require a focal point and this would be an outlet for them. As i've said the clubs aren't the cause of sectarianism, certainly over the years they didn't do too much to eradicate it but if both had never been founded there would still have been this problem.

Did the 1980 Scottish cup final and effects on Scottish football have anything to do with the upsurge? or did you poll the members as to their reasons for joining and have a definitive list? Or are you making things up to look good?