The_Kincardine Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Rangers and Kinky: Two inbreds creating diddy hilarity for fucking ages.. f**k. I'd hoped i'd also created, "plastic hilarity for fucking ages" I must try harder. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave.j Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Probably nothing...keith jackson @tedermeatballs · 36mHere's a wee question. How much did HMRC know about Craig Whyte's tax dodging tendencies BEFORE he bought RFC?keith jackson @tedermeatballs · 17sFull story and reaction from a furious Alastair Johnston in tomorrow's @Daily_Record A rehash of a Keith MacLeod article from nearly two years ago? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Rangers died 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Probably nothing... keith jackson @tedermeatballs · 36m Here's a wee question. How much did HMRC know about Craig Whyte's tax dodging tendencies BEFORE he bought RFC? keith jackson @tedermeatballs · 17s Full story and reaction from a furious Alastair Johnston in tomorrow's @Daily_Record Do HMRC have the power to stop tax dodgers buying businesses. If not why does it matter what they knew and when they knew it? Rangers fans should be more angered at the MSM for helping CW to carry out his con. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ribzanelli Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Rangers fans should be more angered at the MSM for helping CW to carry out his con. They should aim a bit more anger at the BBC for revealing that CW was a bit unsavoury IMO. A boycott maybe. Or a pish stained bed sheet with bigotted, biased, corrupt scrawled over it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin McCann Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 (edited) Probably nothing... keith jackson @tedermeatballs · 36m Here's a wee question. How much did HMRC know about Craig Whyte's tax dodging tendencies BEFORE he bought RFC? keith jackson @tedermeatballs · 17s Full story and reaction from a furious Alastair Johnston in tomorrow's @Daily_Record If blue arse kissing waste of spaces like jackson, young and many others had not spent their time fellating anything rangers then maybe some of the problems they now have could have been exposed earlier and dealt with better. They're "rottweilers" when it comes to a soft target, but when it comes to getting their hands dirty they disappear. Wankers. Edited August 5, 2014 by Austin McCann 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Fitlike Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 is that arse kissing and fellating at the same time? a movie I want to see.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aofjays Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 is that arse kissing and fellating at the same time? a movie I want to see.... If you can accept licking instead of kissing... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 If you can accept licking instead of kissing... Can I have a shot when you've done Ken? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Fitlike Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Can I have a shot when you've done Ken? could be a while.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityDave Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 No that was your team. 'Zombie FC' ... Stoney's team is more like the 'Borg FC' ... assimilated/merged (i.e. not risen from the dead). f**k up Pacific shelfer. Just coz your club and Rangers pretend you are history rich clubs not everyone does. ICT will make our own history thanks. Is this what happens when the fake rangers news goes quiet?. steady lads, steady......and focus there is no more money at Ibroke and they are borrowing on credit with interest adding to debt, won't be long now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest_Fifer Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 I notice the Record is up to the club/company shite again " HMRC then rejected a Company Voluntary Arrangement, forcing the club’s owners to be liquidated in a move which also saw Rangers having to start again in the lowest tier of Scottish football." Er, the club's owners weren't liquidated. Try just "the club". Mind you, "start again" suggests that something had stopped, doesn't it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityDave Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Looks like HMRC wanted to kill to birds with one stone, one down, one fled the country. Ex-Rangers owner Craig Whyte was being chased by the taxman for £3.74m BEFORE he started his catastrophic reign at Ibrox Aug 05, 2014 07:30 By Keith Jackson 3 Comments HMRC had instructed debt enforcers to chase Whyte with a bill for almost £4million and threaten him with bankruptcy in May 2011 - the same month that he bought Rangers THE taxman was chasing Craig Whyte for £3.7million before he took over Rangers. HMRC focused on Whyte’s personal finances and made several failed attempts to get him to pay his dues before, during and after his catastrophic reign at Ibrox. The taxman regarded Whyte as a “flight risk”, fearing he might flee the country without settling his huge tax bill. Documents seen by the Record show: * The authorities instructed debt enforcers to chase Whyte with a bill for almost £4million and threaten him with bankruptcy in May 2011, the same month that he bought Rangers. * It was the culmination of a probe begun the previous year when the taxman learned Whyte had returned to the UK in 2005. * Whyte was continually warned he was failing to submit satisfactory tax returns and risked being fined. * He actually claimed at one stage to have a UK taxable worth of just £24 in accrued bank interest. * Yet when he struck the notorious deal with Ticketus for funds to finance his Rangers takeover, he gave the firm a personal guarantee he was worth nearly £33million. This “guarantee”, which was obtained by HMRC, helped them calculate Whyte’s £3,741,835.29 tax bill but he continued stalling tactics to avoid coughing up. At the same time he was able to run up a further £15million in unpaid taxes and penalties during his nine months in charge of Rangers. Whyte had bought Rangers for £1 from Sir David Murray in May 2011, while agreeing to wipe out the club’s £18million debts. But on February 14, 2012, he made a legal move to have the Ibrox outfit placed into administration. By then the club’s debt had rocketed to around £50million. HMRC then rejected a Company Voluntary Arrangement, forcing the club’s owners to be liquidated in a move which also saw Rangers having to start again in the lowest tier of Scottish football. David Murray has long blamed the taxman for the demise of Rangers, saying the spectre of the Big Tax Case – a potential bill of between £46m and £100million, hanging over the club forced his hand in selling up. But a sizeable proportion of Rangers fans still hold Murray at least partly responsible for the club’s demise, arguing he should not have sold to Whyte, whose reputation had already been questioned. Ultimately, Rangers won the Big Tax Case when a tribunal ruled Employee Benefit Trusts paid to players were in fact loans not subject to tax – and HMRC’s appeal against that judgment was rejected this year. Fans remain furious at the taxman for bringing the case in the first place, and the latest documents from July 2012 obtained by the Record are unlikely to quell their anger. They show HMRC began building their case against Whyte from the moment his proposed take over first hit the headlines in November 2010, six months before he was eventually handed the keys to Ibrox. The paperwork from the taxman’s high net worth unit states: “HMRC became aware that Whyte had returned to live in the UK when the press carried stories in 2010 that he was potentially going to purchase Rangers Football Club plc. “HMRC discovered that Whyte had been back in the UK since 2005. He did not notify HMRC of his return to the UK, nor did he complete tax returns.” The documents go on to chronicle various atttempts by the taxman to force Whyte to detail his finances and warnings of fines he faces if he fails to comply. In the absence of his co-operation, the tax office made their own calculations and issued Whyte with demands for £1million for the financial year 2006-07 and £1.2million for the following year. Whyte did finally submitted some returns. But the documents note: “The returns contained entries in respect of net UK bank interest of £24 for 2006-07 and £491 for 2007-08.” This pattern continues throughout the reports, until a damning revelation centring on Whyte’s takeover of Rangers when he secured funding from Ticketus to head off the club’s future debt in exchange for money from season ticket sales. Presumably to convince Ticketus he was a genuine businessman, Whyte gave his own word that he was good for the investment, according to the HMRC documents. They state: “The personal guarantee included a statement of Whyte’s net worth, signed by him, which showed he had net assets with a value of £32,956,843.” This was the evdience HMRC needed to slap Whyte with the tax bill of £3,741,835.29 at the time of his takeover. Just four days after he posed for pictures with the SPL trophy at Rugby Park following a thrilling last day climax to the league campaign, a letter was written to Whyte by HMRC’s higher debt manager detailing the claim and giving him seven days to pay in full. Whyte was warned that a warrant would be served on him by a sheriff officer who would also provide him with a leaflet entitled Dealing with Debt to help him assess his options. The letter continues: “If the debt remains unpaid, I will arrange to present a sequestration petition in your local sheriff court. The effect of this is that you are likely to be made bankrupt and a Trustee appointed to sell your assets and pay your creditors.” Even then Whyte continued to stall, appealing to a tribunal against the judgment. As HMRC do not discuss private tax dealings, the outcome as yet remains unknown. But the emergence of HMRC’s serious concerns about Whyte before his takeover prompted further anger among senior Rangers figures. Alastair Johnston, Rangers chairman at the time, pleaded with Murray not to sell the club to Whyte. He was subsequently axed. Presented with the revelations last night, he said: “On the back of this, I would welcome a full-scale, independent investigation into the actions of HMRC around the Rangers issue.” Former director Paul Murray added: “I have always said that what has happened to Rangers has been nothing short of disgraceful. “The club has been the victim of a fraud. A lot of people have made a lot of money at the club’s expense and it has to end. “It is in the public interest to find out exactly what has happened and then to take action. Justice must be done and be seen to be done.” 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 So, because Craig Whyte was under personal investigation for his long-standing tax behaviour; HMRC had no right to pursue Rangers over the entirely separate EBT issue? What semblance of logic is there in such a deduction? Again, this idea of a link is part of the subtext the Record are peddling. I'm not pretending it's anything like as important, but it's reminiscent of the insidious attempt by the Bush administration and right wing press to link 9/11 with Iraq, in people's minds. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sting777 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 (edited) The very fact that the article is written by Keith "wealth off the radar" Jackson sums it up. Paul Murray, Alistair Johnston, the Sevconians all want the HMRC to be held to account. Facts are, Moonbeam sold the club without checking who he was selling it to and the club was already a basket case when Whyte took it over. That was Moonbeams responsibility, not HMRC!Some guys need to seriously look in the mirror. Seems that the death of Rangers was everybody else's fault except the club itself. That should surprise no one! Edited August 5, 2014 by Sting777 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No8. Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 So, because Craig Whyte was under personal investigation for his long-standing tax behaviour; HMRC had no right to pursue Rangers over the entirely separate EBT issue? What semblance of logic is there in such a deduction? Again, this idea of a link is part of the subtext the Record are peddling. I'm not pretending it's anything like as important, but it's reminiscent of the insidious attempt by the Bush administration and right wing press to link 9/11 with Iraq, in people's minds. IF Hmrc were already investigating whyte why was he then allowed to run up such a huge tax bill at Ibrox? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Keith Jackson. Again, you have to admire his chutzpah, if nothing else. The very man who's churnalism helped pave the way for The Hero and his rapturous welcome has now turned his dog whistle onto HMRC. Thankfully some of us have a brain larger than a goldfish and remember his shameless performance throughout this saga. He can win all the 'awards' he likes, his name amongst Scottish Football fans will forever be a byword for craven, inept journalism and bigot fluffing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 What I like the most is the implication that oldRangers should have been helped and warned by the evil taxman, while the club ignored, obfuscated and waved their metaphorical goolies in the taxmans face over the Big Tax Case and the discount option scheme. I'm sure they were just leaping to help that poor, innocent, victim of a club. Reap what you sow 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 IF Hmrc were already investigating whyte why was he then allowed to run up such a huge tax bill at Ibrox? He wasn't remember? HMRC forced Rangers to be liquidated over the tax bill. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 IF Hmrc were already investigating whyte why was he then allowed to run up such a huge tax bill at Ibrox? Big bad hmrc at it again, eh? 'He' didn't run up anything, oldco Rangers did. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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