aofjays Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 I really do not think it matters in the slightest if it appears on an official website or is public knowledge. It seems he is suggesting that being upfront and open about an arrangement is better than keeping it hush hush and employing the arrangement anyway. I totally see your point but how would you prove a nod and a wink? Slapping it on your official site is a pretty brazzen statement that the rules don't apply to you and you can cheat with impunity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 The terms of the loan deal between Celtic and Kilmarnock prevented Jackson Irvine playing in matches against his parent club. Good to see you wallow in fail on this DhenBhoy - always entertaining. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Thompson Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 So basically it is perfectly OK to have a go at Rangers and call them cheats for doing something that every other club does? and it is not ok for Rangers fans to point out the hypocrisy in this? Wow! Thats a pretty big jump from "What about Celtic?" to "What about every other club?" Bravo, sir. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 So basically it is perfectly OK to have a go at Rangers and call them cheats for doing something that every other club does? and it is not ok for Rangers fans to point out the hypocrisy in this? Just to be pedantic Ted, i don't think every other club does it. Although I don't think anyone would want to loan our players tbf. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 If anyone has access to Rangers TV ... his interview is on there, so maybe it can be confirmed whether it came from him. Given it's on their official site .. it still requires investigating by the SPFL if any stipulation has been agreed. Should the players not be fielded against The Rangers (after playing against others) then it will raise concerns. Densboy has Rangers tv, it figures lol Once again, the Rangers fans reaction to being accused of doing something wrong is to point the finger at someone else, screaming "what about ... what about?" Presuming, of course, that this is breaking the rules. Most people would see it as being perfectly rational to see if any other teams had used the same conditions when loaning out players and compare them, infact i believe that several people have asked about it . Not whataboutery, just a valid comparison. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Celtic have not stated via their official site that on loan players are not allowed to play against them. Rangers have openly stated the on loan players are not allowed via their own website and press releases. Vast difference ... No there isn't. Celtic and Kilmarnock made available to the press last season that the terms of the loan agreement relating to Jackson Irvine meant he couldn't play against his parent club. What the terms of Celtic and Ross County's deal regarding Irvine this season - who knows. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aofjays Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 (edited) So basically it is perfectly OK to have a go at Rangers and call them cheats for doing something that every other club does? and it is not ok for Rangers fans to point out the hypocrisy in this? It is pretty clear, we have a player who every week was a 1st team pick, not even making it to the sub bench every time when the two teams met, nobody can really argue what an arrangement was in place. But hey it seems sleekit is above being open and honest. Correlation does not equal causation. You would have to prove that there is no possibility that the coach thought "this c**t isnae gonna try against them, best drop him". Good luck with that. If celtic are breaking the rules I hope they get punished but it needs to be proven first. Sevco on the other hand appear to be boasting about it. ETA. But according to parsforlife no-one is breaking the rules. Edited September 3, 2014 by aofjays 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Celtic did indeed prevent Jackson Irvine playing against them. "On-loan Kilmarnock defender Jackson Irvine cannot play against his parent club, while it remains to be seen whether Eremenko will go straight into Johnstone's team or start on the bench" http://www.celtic-mad.co.uk/news/tmnw/celtic_v_kilmarnock_at_celtic_park_match_preview_822773/index.shtml http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/celtic/262082-celtic-v-kilmarnock-forrest-returns-to-hoops-squad-after-injury/ It's there in black and white on the STV article yet densboy is still demanding proof, while continuing to lambast Rangers for inserting the same clause. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 It does feel strange defending zombies but they are not doing anything wrong here, in fact they'd be breaking the rules to allow the player to play against them. The rule dhenbhoy quotes doesn't apply. This one does. 87. During the term of a temporary transfer, the Player concerned may not take part as a Player in the starting 11 or as being named as a substitute for the transferee Club in a League Match against the transferor Club. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 It does feel strange defending zombies but they are not doing anything wrong here, in fact they'd be breaking the rules to allow the player to play against them. The rule dhenbhoy quotes doesn't apply. This one does. 87. During the term of a temporary transfer, the Player concerned may not take part as a Player in the starting 11 or as being named as a substitute for the transferee Club in a League Match against the transferor Club. If thats true then it makes a mockery of whats been posted in the last few pages (especially densboy lol) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 I think it is pretty clear that someone has to actually go and get the rules for this. Utterly pointless otherwise, either it is ok or it's not. If it is tolerated as long as it is not overtly set out or published, then this could be quite the f**k up. Otherwise we will not only have teamSevco claiming this is the biggest victory since LNS found them guilty but we'll have to put up with them claiming whataboutery is a valid debating tactic. Jeeeee-sus 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 This was also true of the Michael Gardyne loan arrangement between Kilmarnock and Dundee Utd last season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Oh dear Densbhoy... oh dear. It doesn't even deserve a "thanks for playing" type response, given well, you've played so poorly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Thompson Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 A St Johnstone fan pointed out that one oh their on loan players cannot play against the other club on the previous page, let me guess you missed this in your desperation to keep this subject purely about big bad Rangers I did miss that. I've looked back and still cant see it. I think this is why the levels of whataboutery on display are so amusing. You think everything is about Rangers and the whole world is one big conspiracy against them. I guess thats why its so important for Rangers fans to scream "what about ... what about?". It must reinforce that belief that the whole world can do what they like but Rangers get persecuted at every turn. Sorry, Tedi, but it just isnt like that in the "big bad" real world. To set the record straight, I have no "desperation" to make this about Rangers. I'd have happily had the same conversation about any other club, had I been aware of them doing the same thing. As it turns out, though ... It does feel strange defending zombies but they are not doing anything wrong here, in fact they'd be breaking the rules to allow the player to play against them. The rule dhenbhoy quotes doesn't apply. This one does. 87. During the term of a temporary transfer, the Player concerned may not take part as a Player in the starting 11 or as being named as a substitute for the transferee Club in a League Match against the transferor Club. ... I guess I was wrong 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 (edited) M'yah. Shame whoever was reading these out to you, didn't go any further What a total clown. 87. "During the term of a temporary transfer, the Player concerned may not take part as a Player in the starting 11 or as being named as a substitute for the transferee Club in a League Match against the transferor Club. " http://spfl.co.uk/docs/067_324__therulesofthescottishprofessionalfootballleagueasat21july2014_1406798538.pdf Edited September 3, 2014 by H_B 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 What Rule 84 concerns is the club (let's say Celtic) attempt to say "You can play against the masonic teams, but no against ra Hibs" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 (edited) The chances of St.mirren loaning players out to other premier teams would be rather low, do you honestly think that St.mirren would not ask for this agreement to be in place even if it was off the record? You're being kind there I think, I'd say non existent rather than low. No doubt they would probably seek to do so though in a hypothetical situation. My main point which I made a while back is that these agreements are invalid and there is no method for enforcing them but as a conceded to you this probably had little effect in practice. Ally's probably just been a bit stupid in shooting his mouth off. Completely out of character. Eta - having seen the actual rule that seems to go against the UEFA ruling on Courtios? You can understand why I suppose, to stop him 'underperforming' against the parent club, still a tad strange. Edited September 3, 2014 by AberdeenBud 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Eta - having seen the actual rule that seems to go against the UEFA ruling on Courtios? You can understand why I suppose, to stop him 'underperforming' against the parent club, still a tad strange. It's to protect the player. Partly for underperforming reasons and partly for overperforming reasons. Imagine you are a Dundee Utd player, and you're asked to take a penalty on the last day of the season against your parent club that means either your loan club or your parent club qualifies for Europe. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 (edited) Still, think we've ensured Den Bhoy isn't seen on this thread for some time - so job done. Time to restart the "Going Bust " timeline. Tick tock - not long now hopefully. Edited September 3, 2014 by H_B 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever_blue Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 dhense always a pleasure to watch him make a chunt of himself. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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