aofjays Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 wrk is probablythe most tedious poster on the forum to be fair. Then leave him alone? If you don't like what he brings stop encouraging him ffs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngsy Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I think it's variable. At different times each of the bigot club's fans become more detestable than the other. What's not in dispute is that everyone who is a Celtic or a Rangers fan has reason to feel utterly ashamed of themselves. In what way should individual Rangers or Celtic fans be ashamed of themselves? Like many people that support either club i've never been involved in anything that gives me reason to be ashamed of myself and like many from both clubs i'm not responsible for the actions of others. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aofjays Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 In what way should individual Rangers or Celtic fans be ashamed of themselves? Like many people that support either club i've never been involved in anything that gives me reason to be ashamed of myself and like many from both clubs i'm not responsible for the actions of others. How long have you been going to games? ie. did you support a team with a sectarian signing policy? If so, why do you not think this is shameful? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave.j Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 In what way should individual Rangers or Celtic fans be ashamed of themselves? Like many people that support either club i've never been involved in anything that gives me reason to be ashamed of myself and like many from both clubs i'm not responsible for the actions of others. Says it all, really. And whilst the, i'm not responsible for the actions of others, line gets repeated, "the small minority" are given free reign by those around them, to spout their hatred. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 We all know you hate Rangers more than Celtic (which is strange) but why do you keep going back to it again and again? I know we have this discussion every 6 months or so and we'll never agree on it but you really do seem to have a bee in your bonnet over Sevco, whereas you seem to be not too fussed about Celtic. Your joining date would also indicate an alterior motive to me. Joining date is obvious - point and laugh time. Why the difference between the two? Well, as you say, there's the way I and mine have been treated by fans of either. Embarrassment is bad, abuse and violence (imho) is worse. Mainly, though, the whole thing has been cemented through the whole Sevco saga to make this lot possibly the most despicable nest of thieves I've ever known. And their fans' continued support makes them just as culpable - because since day one, they've been the ones with the power to nail the lie. The uncovering of the way that, over decades, the financial advantages that these two clubs legally (if not morally) ensured themselves over the likes of the "makeweights" turned out to not to be enough for rangers so that they had to lie and commit "administrative errors" for so long made my blood boil. Ah, but at least they'd been caught. Now we had a chance to start again, with a clean(er) slate. Right? Nope - just when you thought it was embarrassing having to explain how such behaviour could flourish in a modern country, with such fine Governing Bodies, here comes the final insult. Every rule you can think of twisted, broken, and re-written to ensure "Armageddon" was averted. As for celtic - they're already looking at empty seats all over the place, and not spending the money. I've already seen celtic fans moaning that they should be signing better players (We deserve better). So let's a) deal with one Sister at a time, and b) patienc, patience... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 How about sitting on your hands while your club died? Wee bit of shame for that one Youngsy? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave.j Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 it is true though, i'm sure you don't like to be thought of as guilty by association in any way. but is this not an excuse to tar all supporters of that team with the same brush, which in itself could be taken for a bigot mentality?. No 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngsy Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 How long have you been going to games? ie. did you support a team with a sectarian signing policy? If so, why do you not think this is shameful? Been going to games since the late 1950s, i supported a team for the good football they played and the quaility of player they had playing for them. Any players signed was down to those that ran the club, i watched the players for their ability not their religion so whoever the club signed as long as the player was good enough then that was and still is good enough for me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 He's openly expressed his dislike for Celtic. and and and .... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever_blue Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 does anyone ever reply to a williemillersmoustache post -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aofjays Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Been going to games since the late 1950s, i supported a team for the good football they played and the quaility of player they had playing for them. Any players signed was down to those that ran the club, i watched the players for their ability not their religion so whoever the club signed as long as the player was good enough then that was and still is good enough for me. You paid money in support of sectarianism. Many would find that shameful. Your excuse doesn't wash either. You funded it ffs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 . Whatever. I ain't throwing away 40+ years of following Killie 'cos you've got a snitty. Next time I'm up (hopefully before Ne'erday) we could meet for a pint and I'll present my Bona Fides. Portmann preferred, although I like the Kadi or the Howard as well. Anywhere but Fannies I wonder if norman ever presented his Bona Fides...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 You paid money in support of sectarianism. Many would find that shameful. Your excuse doesn't wash either. You funded it ffs. Oh ffs, you have to be at the wind up here surely? You can almost taste the salty tears here 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever_blue Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 You paid money in support of sectarianism. Many would find that shameful. Your excuse doesn't wash either. You funded it ffs. so tell me how this policy operated and from when it started and ended please? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave.j Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 so tell me how this policy operated and from when it started and ended please? Ask your old man how he reacted when Mo Johnston signed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever_blue Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Ask your old man how he reacted when Mo Johnston signed. he was in work with his celtic workmates who had been singing for weeks prior "f**k yer ally weve got mo" only for him and his fellow ranger workmates to begin chanting " we have ally, we have mo" , he told me you could almost see the tears in the celtic fans faces although I dont know how my old mans reaction has to do with asking for evidence of this policy? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aofjays Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 so tell me how this policy operated and from when it started and ended please? so tell me how this policy operated and from when it started and ended please? From founding until Mo Jo signed according to rangers staff. Yes there were 14 others before him but I think you know fine well the policy existed. Don't believe me? Lets ask Matt Taylor: [the policy was] "part of our tradition….we were formed in 1873 as a Protestant boys club. To change now would lose us considerable support". Or how about Sandy Jardine: “When I came here in 1964, we had no Catholics. Not just the playing staff, anywhere. There was no bit of paper, it was an unwritten rule. David Murray changed that and it moved on significantly in 1989 when Maurice Johnston signed. You cannot clear up 80 years of sectarianism in eight months, but we are a huge way down the road.” Or David Murray: “We signed him [Johnston] as a football player firstly, and also to break the tradition of this club in not signing a Roman Catholic. That was wrong.” That do you? Or are you going to claim these men are liars? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 You paid money in support of sectarianism. Many would find that shameful. Your excuse doesn't wash either. You funded it ffs. Willful ignorance/ cognitive dissonance. All OF fans, even the decent ones, have to perform some form of mental gymnastics because no matter what way you come at it they are supporters and enablers of sectarian bigotry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever_blue Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 From founding until Mo Jo signed according to rangers staff. Yes there were 14 others before him but I think you know fine well the policy existed. Don't believe me? Lets ask Matt Taylor: [the policy was] "part of our tradition….we were formed in 1873 as a Protestant boys club. To change now would lose us considerable support". Or how about Sandy Jardine: “When I came here in 1964, we had no Catholics. Not just the playing staff, anywhere. There was no bit of paper, it was an unwritten rule. David Murray changed that and it moved on significantly in 1989 when Maurice Johnston signed. You cannot clear up 80 years of sectarianism in eight months, but we are a huge way down the road.” Or David Murray: “We signed him [Johnston] as a football player firstly, and also to break the tradition of this club in not signing a Roman Catholic. That was wrong.” That do you? Or are you going to claim these men are liars? well there you have it there was no actual signing policy , there was at most an unwritten rule ? as for the part about rangers being started as a protestant boys club from Matt Taylor then yes I would also disagree with that statement too and also Murray in Hindsight was an egotistical c**t. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aofjays Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 well there you have it there was no actual signing policy , there was at most an unwritten rule ? as for the part about rangers being started as a protestant boys club from Matt Taylor then yes I would also disagree with that statement too and also Murray in Hindsight was an egotistical c**t. So three men that were there are wrong and you with your complete lack of access to such individuals are right? Whatever. If you want to lie to yourself go right ahead just don't expect anyone else to believe it. Just out of interest, those idiots outside the gates the day Mo Jo signed burning their scarves and tops as the TV reported the end of rangers sectarian signing policy. Why do you think they were doing that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.