Chazza1910 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Just had to get on to this page. Dundee's only Scottish Cup win, at Ibrox funnily enough, after three games against Clyde. So there is a connection. Funny how so many teams are being dragged into this now. Liked the Dumbarton fan's bemusement about his team's first game: away to Dundee/Airdrie/TRFC? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broccoli Dog Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I think we should leave the marching to the Sevco supporters, they all seem to like marching so much anyway and it's probably the only thing they are good at. If you must march anywhere, march down to your club and deliver a nice letter stating that you won't be attending any games for the foreseeable future unless they develop a spine and do what is right for the good of the sport. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No8. Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 (edited) quite well known for turning out in numbers where trouble is involved though I don't think the organisers of this march have quite thought it through..At tops you will get 1,000 and that is being generous in the extreme. Considering Rangers have already had a march which attracted 10 Xs that number with another next weekend that will probably have an attendance figure that surpasses even that it all seems pointless. I am all for protesting and welcome any protests you have in mind but i would have thought emailing your chairman a far more effective campaign rather than highlighting how inconsequential you are in numbers in comparison to The Rangers. This is not a criticism of those wanting to take part. Edited June 18, 2012 by No8. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Thompson Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 You're all heart We're past the point of no return. Too many P&B reputations hang on Rangers 2.0 getting hammered Seriously, though, it wouldnt right for Rangers 2.0 to get back into the SPL with little more than a slap on the wrist. No, the SPL share is just that a share in the company. Craig Whyte will not be liable for sDM's ventures into EBTs just because he bought his shares in Rangers, he still may face charges but not for anything sDM did. I dont want to go over this argument again, but you dont know that this will be the case. If you do turn out to be correct, from a legal point of view, you would have to hope that the SPL and/or SFA make this a condition of transfer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelegendthatis Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Rangers fans well known for turning out in numbers when their club is threatened, are they? But they don't have a club. They have a company name, a leader called green, a load of big fat guys who wear blue shirts and sing offensive songs. Keep it real and factual. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No8. Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I think we should leave the marching to the Sevco supporters, they all seem to like marching so much anyway and it's probably the only thing they are good at. If you must march anywhere, march down to your club and deliver a nice letter stating that you won't be attending any games for the foreseeable future unless they develop a spine and do what is right for the good of the sport. ^^^^^^^^^^ This. After reading the Facebook page connected to this march it is already quite clear it is going to be The Green Brigade which make up the numbers. I believe there is an Orange Parade that day as well. Could get messy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I thought the vote by the spl club chairmen was to take place 2 weeks after the application??? It will be. I wasn't saying the vote would be today. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No8. Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Breaking News..This might not come as a shcok to the regulars on this thread (probably not) but there is a user on Follow Follow called T_S_A_R...Well you had me fooled but then again that is not that difficult. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 This has got to be worth a repost prior to the upcoming SPL meetings. Lest we forget the scale of cheating that was carried out by the organism formerly known as RFC. New Celtic Quick News: The tens of millions Rangers denied SPL clubs laid bare Posted on 18 May, 2012 by Paul67 The SPL deadline for clubs to provide information on improper registration of players was six weeks ago today but the league has yet to report findings to clubs, while the chief executive rallies support to allow a Newco access to the league. Time has expired on this policy of non-disclosure until it’s too late. If the SPL chief executive ever tells us that Rangers fielded improperly registered players between 2000 and 2012, resulting in years of 3-0 defeats being awarded, there will be an enormous amount of anger, not only among supporters, but in boardrooms across the country, as they ponder money which was rightfully theirs but which went to Rangers – perhaps including Rangers prize money for finishing second this season. We have made an attempt to quantify this money. Some of the losses were easier to calculate than others. For example, it was easy to calculate that when Rangers won the title in 2009 with improperly registered players, earning automatic qualification to the Champions League group stage, they denied Celtic £15m European earnings, plus £340k SPL prize money. Other losses are less clear, specifically when a club was denied a place in a qualifying round for the Champions League or Uefa Cup, which they may or may not have progressed from. We have established three figures for each club in the SPL during the season just finished, to cover the period from 2000 to 2012: Minimum loss: The absolute minimum each club was denied from European and SPL prize money as a result of Rangers finishing above them with ineligible players. Weighted loss: The figure based on Scottish clubs gaining entry to Champions League/Europa League (Uefa Cup) group stages from 20% of their qualifying campaigns (which is slightly less than trend). Maximum loss: The maximum a club could have achieved if it qualified for the European group stage it was denied entry to. Out estimates take no account of the subsequent effect money has on future years. For example, If Celtic earned an additional £15m from entering the Champions League group stage in 2009-10 their league challenge for that season would have been £15m stronger, and Rangers £15m weaker, potentially resulting in consequences in future years. This multiplier effect would have benefited Celtic but it would be likely to have a greater effect on other clubs, some of whom would be denied the enormous percentage increase in budget automatic qualification to European group stages would have brought. Hearts finished immediately behind Celtic and Rangers more often than any other club over the period and suffer the greatest potential losses, even more so than Celtic. Hibernian, Aberdeen, Dundee United and Motherwell also suffered significant losses. Several clubs got nowhere near European football over the period, and some of the 11 spent only a few years in the SPL but each club lost over £1m. Figures for each club are: Hearts Maximum: £72.3m Weighted: £16.3m Minimum: £6.2m Celtic Maximum: £46.7m Weighted: £21.9m Minimum: £17.4m Hibernian Maximum: £34.8m Weighted: £8.4m Minimum: £3.6m Aberdeen Maximum: £21.1m Weighted: £5.5m Minimum: £2.7m Dundee United Maximum: £20.8m Weighted: £5.2m Minimum: £2.4m Motherwell Maximum: £16.7m Weighted: £4.4m Minimum: £2.1m Kilmarnock Maximum: £5.1m Weighted: £1.9m Minimum: £1.3m Dunfermline Maximum: £3.4m Weighted: £1.8m Minimum: £1.5m Inverness Maximum: £1.3m Weighted: £1.3m Minimum: £1.3m St Johnstone Maximum: £1.1m Weighted: £1.1m Minimum: £1.1m St Mirren Maximum: £1.1m Weighted: £1.1m Minimum: £1.1m In the event Rangers fielded ineligible players during the period under consideration, which everyone apart from Neil Doncaster knows, and even he will be unable to deny next week, we know the following: Rangers received a minimum of £40.9m which should have gone to the 11 other clubs, assuming each clubs lost all their European group stage qualifying campaigns. This calculation does not include earnings from clubs now in the Scottish Football League, such as Hamilton Accies or Dundee. If Scottish clubs progressed to the group stages of European competition on only 20% of their qualifying campaigns the loss would be £69.0m. The figure for total potential losses if clubs successfully progressed to every European group stage is, as the figure for 100% failure, more illustrative than likely, but the maximum cost to the 11 SPL clubs is £224.6m. Results will be changed, trophies can and will, be re-awarded, but these are the harsh financial consequences clubs, their lawyers and supporters, will consider when the facts are presented to them next week. The SPL executive has had six weeks to consider if there is sufficient evidence to commence disciplinary proceedings; they have failed to do so. They have failed you and every other football supporter in the land, while shamelessly pursuing an accommodation for the errant club BEFORE REVEALING THE FACTS TO YOU. Time will be up soon, Mr Doncaster. You’ve had your chance but you have convinced no one. The people who really matter in this entire debacle are those who buy tickets for Celtic Park, Pittodrie, Easter Road, Tynecastle, Tannadice, Fir Park and the rest, they will hear the truth and read these figures. You have failed them. You can read our calculations here. European income figures were sources from Uefa data. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broccoli Dog Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Breaking News..This might not come as a shcok to the regulars on this thread (probably not) but there is a user on Follow Follow called T_S_A_R...Well you had me fooled but then again that is not that difficult. Do yr duty bear 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I dont want to go over this argument again, but you dont know that this will be the case. If you do turn out to be correct, from a legal point of view, you would have to hope that the SPL and/or SFA make this a condition of transfer. Listen, the way I see it is if the SFA, SPL and Sevco want to keep saying that this is a continuation then let them. At every opportunity from now until the end of time I believe they should be reminded of the legal stance (seeing as how their acquired fans were so insistent that the law of the land should be obeyed), Rangers died and Sevco are not Rangers in any way. If you did not want to get involved in the argument again why raise the subject with me? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 It's cute that the Celtic fans suddenly care about the other clubs and their income. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelegendthatis Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 No, the SPL share is just that a share in the company. Craig Whyte will not be liable for sDM's ventures into EBTs just because he bought his shares in Rangers, he still may face charges but not for anything sDM did. Do not think the fraud squad would agree. We talk about Rangers doiing their due diligence on Whyte. But he would have done the same on Rangers. If he was aware (and there is evidence) that he was buying a company that had behaved corruptly without him reporting it to the authorities then the police would want to look in detail at what he knew and when he knew it. Similar for lLloydsTSB, but think they would be seen to be at arms length from Muir. Should be many who aren't sleeping too well, waiting for the 6am knock on the door. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Breaking News..This might not come as a shcok to the regulars on this thread (probably not) but there is a user on Follow Follow called T_S_A_R...Well you had me fooled but then again that is not that difficult. Is he a Rangers fan who always talks about Motherwell in a positive light? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Do yr duty bear Yeah, we can't have Motherwell supporters infiltrating Follow Follow. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Thompson Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Listen, the way I see it is if the SFA, SPL and Sevco want to keep saying that this is a continuation then let them. At every opportunity from now until the end of time I believe they should be reminded of the legal stance (seeing as how their acquired fans were so insistent that the law of the land should be obeyed), Rangers died and Sevco are not Rangers in any way. If you did not want to get involved in the argument again why raise the subject with me? Because you replied to another poster, stating this opinion as fact. I was simply pointing out that what you say may not actually be what happens. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No8. Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Is he a Rangers fan who always talks about Motherwell in a positive light? Funnily enough he was. I noticed him on a thread relating to a Motherwell directors statement Re. Rangers...I would have given him the benefit of the doubt but he has 300 odd posts. Believe me Motherwell do not get discussed that much 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 It appears that the decision on allowing newco SPL membership will take place in two weeks (or just over). Given the pish that has been spouted in the mainstream media to date, I can only imagine how much worse it will be over the next fortnight. "Saying no to Rangers will be like commiting an act of murder" - Chic Young - tomorrow "Saying no to Rangers will be worse than murder, it will be like mass murder" - Jim Traynor - the day after tomorrow "Saying no to Rangers will be like saying you approve of world poverty. What about the children?" - Hugh Keevins - the following day "Saying no to Rangers..................... * For the avoidance of doubt I am not refering to newco as Rangers, just making the point that these 'journalists' will. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broccoli Dog Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 (edited) I've only seen one poster on FF ever express the opinion that Division 3 wouldn't be anything but the final, final nail in the coffin for The Rangers. You would think that there would be a slightly higher level of anxiety about the possibility amongst supporters. Away days in the SFL are fun, the leagues are exciting, but by god it can be a long purgatory for a relegated team. Edited June 18, 2012 by Broccoli Dog 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Do not think the fraud squad would agree. We talk about Rangers doiing their due diligence on Whyte. But he would have done the same on Rangers. If he was aware (and there is evidence) that he was buying a company that had behaved corruptly without him reporting it to the authorities then the police would want to look in detail at what he knew and when he knew it. Similar for lLloydsTSB, but think they would be seen to be at arms length from Muir. Should be many who aren't sleeping too well, waiting for the 6am knock on the door. Doh! Let's put it this way, because CW bought sDM's shares it does not mean that he inherits the speeding fines on CW's company car. In the same vein Sevco, who in the eyes of the law are not Rangers, cannot be pursued for the crimes of Rangers. Sevco cannot acquire a share of a company (SPL) and inherit the previous owner's liabilities. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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