Tonsilitis Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Firstly, no need to apologise. Secondly, yes I have Googled and found said paragraph. The SPL can cover, and make provision to cover, their own internal costs prior to making payment to SFL, I will try to wade through the legalise to see if i can find other priorities beyond this. My reading of para 4.2.2 of the SPL rules suggests that the settlement figure ranks equally with the SPL running costs. In practice they will have paid wages etc. on an ongoing basis and so the settlement payment in practice comes after running costs. Facts are though, its payable before a bean is due to the SPL clubs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broccoli Dog Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 my team was always scotland. i was under the impression when i joined that "rangers" wouldnt be an option to choose. still why let the truth get in the way of a good dig at someone... I'm pretty sure P&B has to option to set dead clubs as your team. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veteran Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Longmuir quoted in one of today's papers saying the clubs, not the board, will decide on Division 1 or Division 3. John Yorkston has also said any other option would not be acceptable. Voting proposals for Friday have been altered or removed then ? Proposal (ii) is clear and uneqvivocal as it stands. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastspider Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 So he abstained because he's honest, then lied about the reason to protect a scam? What a great guy. isnt a scam , another name for fraud, if the SPL clubs all knew about the SFA/SPL plans in advance of the SPL vote,surely this would be a conspiracy which im sure some of the legal experts on this site, could tell me it it would be considered illegal, in as much as the were fixing not only the leaques (match fixing), or were trying to obtain ST monies under false pretences 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huistrinho Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Voting proposals for Friday have been altered or removed then ? Proposal (ii) is clear and uneqvivocal as it stands. There's still little clarity over what it means if clubs vote yes to (i) and no to (ii). It would appear to imply that this is equivalent to saying yes to D3, but it's far from clear. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pampered Adolescent Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I got a bank charge the other day, was my fault you know. See I completely messed up my budget but now I guess I'll have to pay the fine and just get on with it. Shame I'm not a football club then I could just blame Rangers... I know what you're thinking, here's another bear with a chip on his shoulder. Well it's not true. Rangers messed up monumentally, they stiffed the tax man (strange how many denizens of parkhead suddenly care about the queens bank balance) they stiffed other football clubs they stiffed small businesses and they eventually went down in a blaze of arrogance one news of the world phone hacker was said to have described as "a bit dis-tasteful". Since February everybody's had their pound of flesh and oh boy what a party it's been. In the beginning it was fair and the criticism which flowed was justified but fuelled by lashings of pent up anger / jealously / self-righteousness all and sundry have had their say, one hundred years of hatred and envy has poured forth. No critisim is too much, no ancient slight or percived controversial loss has been left un-avenged and truly the mob has spoken. Rangers must be punished. Then again. then again. then again. Repeat until bored. Sporting integrity is the new black (or should I say Japanese tour grey...). That fantastic little phrase © Lawwell '08 has made a comeback in a major way. Rangers we are told must not be allowed to darken the SPL's hallowed turf / sand again; they must be cast asunder and taught a lesson. And do you know what? I agree; we knew the rules because we bloody helped make them. We were part of the cabal and ran it arrogantly for our own means for far too long forgetting that one day even the mighty might just need a friend. We built a castle on sand and when it collapsed we should pay the price, no bailout for "the establishment". But now the pygmies have spoken. Every no mark supporters group has had their say and "people power" has rescued the Scottish game, for after all what is the SPL without its integrity? Well pretty much the same as it is now. It's a flawed broken product were teams can play 18, 19 or 20 games home or away each season. Where Falkirk can't get in with a new ground being built but Gretna can swan in and ground share a swimming pool. Where special dispensation cannot be given to clubs to solve a fixture crisis but can Gretna can play Celtic at Almond vale. Where chairman speak of punishing Rangers for their fiscal failures while presiding over £33 million of debt. But with those big nasty bigots from Govan the spl is going to thrive. Blue chip sponsors will rush to buy into the new super competitive league were any one of half a dozen teams can come second to Celtic! Sky will no doubt cancel super Sunday to broadcast Dundee vs. Ross County from a packed Dens park as families have picnics outside the new sectarian free grounds of the spl. Everybody will hold hands and sing when hopefully in a few years Rangers will gain a place in this footballing Utopia. Maybe that day will coincide with Rooney signing on at Aberdeen citing "pure financial greed" as the motivation for his move to the best league in the world? I'd at least have respect for any fans group who simply said "yeah we just want to stick it to the Rangers" instead of hiding behind clichéd phrases. But what of this sporting integrity? Surely it should be followed through to the last and most Rangers fans agree. Apparently we only want to go to the third division to see others in financial trouble, it's awfully good when people tell you what you are thinking isn't it? For me and many others that is not the case, we want to go to the third division to start again, to build anew. We want to build bridges and if not forget the past then at least be given a chance to put it behind us. We have been punished more severely than others already (just how many points did Motherwell get docked?), but for some no punishment is enough. The twitching corpse must be flogged until it bleeds no more. We do not want any parachute into the first division and it is being forced upon us by the self-same chairmen who proclaimed that sporting integrity has no price. Well apparently it does and its roughly £1 million a year plus play offs. But again this isn't the case, it's all being done to help the Rangers, the hibs fans know this for a fact. Perhaps one of them should ask their chairman why he's the main architect of the plan. Scottish football is in a dire state but nobody really seems to care, its all Rangers fault anyway. The reformation of the game should not be tacked onto the demise and rehabilitation of rangers. It is an issue in its own right and a far more important issue at that. There will hopefully always be Rangers, a St Mirren, Kilmarnock and Dundee united too. Scotland's needs football, healthy competitive football because its woven into the very fabric of our society. Right now the baws burst but instead of fixing the puncture people are hell bent on picking the seam... Polite piece of advice, sir/madam: There appears to be new legislation coming in the UK for Internet Trolls; definition: Who are the internet trolls? The term has come to mean those behind intentionally provocative online actions intended to cause grief or incite an angry response. From: http://www.bbc.com/n...nology-18408457 Suggest that you "go and play tig with the trains"...... Regards PA 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tonsilitis Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Voting proposals for Friday have been altered or removed then ? Proposal (ii) is clear and uneqvivocal as it stands. Morton believe that Proposal ii) has not got a snowball's chance of going through unaltered. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Voting proposals for Friday have been altered or removed then ? Proposal (ii) is clear and uneqvivocal as it stands. Don't know. There may be an on-line version of what I have read. Maybe he is accepting that amendments to the proposal can be made and accepted. i'll try to find it and post reference. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fife Saint Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I enjoyed that post from aw23, as I enjoy all the Sevco punters getting their knickers in a twist now that things have gone tits up and they're not getting their own way for a change. Keep them coming. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huistrinho Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I'd clearly never wear it, but I'll be dammed if Spartans don't have a badge that screams "awesome". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aw23 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I read your original post carefully, and while there were some sensible points, I couldn't get past one line that is constantly trotted out by Rangers fans. "We have been punished enough". Please explain how. A ten point penalty for going into admin. A fine which has effectively been written off due to the impending liquidation. Those are the only actual penalties which have (so far) been imposed. Is this a suitable punishment for a club which has stolen nearly £100m from the public purse? I chose the word "stolen" deliberately - there was no effort ever made to pay that money, and with impending liquidation, there never will be. Is it a suitable punishment for a club which ignored the rules of the competition by using second contracts? Contracts which made payments from the pool of stolen tax? Even if we ignore those crimes, there are precedents for liquidated clubs. When Airdrieonians and Gretna went bust, neither of them were allowed to dictate where they re-entered. In fact, neither of them were allowed back in at all. Airdrie circumvented this with the frankly disgusting destruction of another club, but that is another matter. I have been consistent in my feelings on this. If you feel that there should be no more "punishment", then you have to accept that this is a brand new club and should be treated as such, applying to SFL3 and starting with no history. Many fans would have no problem with this scenario. If this club is still Rangers in any form, there is no way the cheating over the EBT years, and the refusal to pay tax in season 2011/2012 can be ignored. There must be further sanctions. Rangers fans go on about the potential sanctions as other clubs having their cake and eating it - well, please tell me how you would describe a debt-free Rangers continuing having only received a 10 point penalty? i take your points on board, actual "punishments" in the form of a governing body etc dishing things out have not amounted to much as of now. perhaps a more accurate phrase would have been "just leave us alone now". rangers fans such as myself have been through enough. our club just wants to start again in the third division and build up but we are getting used by everybody to score points. what would be the point in placing a hamstrung rangers in div1? the way i see it we would struggle right now just to stay in that division. what i was trying to get across is that everyone is obsessed with having a go at rangers, looking backward instead of forward. call us what you want from now on i really dont care, if the next trophy we win is our 1st, 51, or 101st it'll still mean the same to me, look at afc wimbledon. but eventually everybody has to let us get on with trying to win that cup. if other clubs hadnt ran up so much debt the rangers issue would have been dealt with in five minutes just like grenta etc. but it cant be because other chairmen have build thier business model on living off the back of the old firm and that IS NOT rangers fault. that point seems to be lost on everybody that your own chairmens incompetance has contributed to this shambles and blaming rangers for that might make you feel better for a while but if we do get punted into division three alot of clubs will have to face up to the stark reality that thier own books dont balance. people in glass houses and aw that.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wokcomble Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Not seen this anywhere, but the Stenhousemuir thread on the SFL2 Board. It's from the Telegraph. If true, does it not change everything in that it strips the SFA/SPL of their principle weapon in bullying the SFL clubs? It also would mean that the officers in charge have simply lied. Rangers in crisis: SFL clubs unfazed by Neil Doncaster's scare tactics Scottish Football League clubs are prepared to call Neil Doncaster's bluff by refusing to grant the SFL board permission to launch Charles Green's newco Rangers into the First Division. Deal or no deal? Neil Doncaster is pressuring SFL clubs to allow the Rangers newco to begin life in the First Division Photo: PA By Ewing Grahame 10:30PM BST 09 Jul 2012 35 Comments The Scottish Premier League's chief executive addressed a meeting of the SFL clubs last week and made the threat that the SPL would be unable to afford to pay the annual settlement agreement – a sum worth around £2 million – unless Sevco Scotland Ltd were allowed to begin life in the second tier. Such an outcome would, it's argued, protect the new, as yet unsigned, Sky TV deal – assuming, that is, that the new Glasgow club were able to win promotion next season. However, Raith Rovers director Eric Drysdale – a member of the SFA's independent judicial panel which fined Rangers £160,000 and imposed a 12-month transfer embargo on them – has pointed out to Doncaster that the settlement agreement is a legally binding contractual obligation and that payment is not optional. The agreement was introduced as compensation to the SFL when the 10 biggest clubs in the country broke away to form the new body in 1998. The original payment was £1.4 million but that has risen in line with the Retail Price Index to its current amount and it must be paid in perpetuity. Should the SPL's income fall below the £6 million earned by the SFL in 1998 that payment may be reduced but not abandoned. It is understood that the SPL must make the payment before distributing the rest of its income to its members, in which case failure to comply with the agreement would effectively mean that the SPL was bankrupt. Consequently, the SFL's clubs can vote on Rangers' application at Hampden on Friday without fear of having to make do without valuable income from the top tier. WERE THE DUMBARTON FANS ALSO LIED TO AT THEIR EGM ? CAN SOMEONE COME ON FROM THE SONS TRUST AND CLARIFY PLEASE ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanmistermustard Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I must still be missing how having a newco who have six senior players, three weeks before the league kicks off in the SPL next season would be a robust challenge to Celtic's title push. Cause then a multi-billionaire exRangers diehard will come waltzing onto the scene, spend millions on EPL players, have them challenging in Europe again and reestablish it as the world-wide brand that it is. All for the benefit of Scottish football. Because thats what keeps Scottish Football at the standard that it is currently. Just wait for the Daily Record exclusive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 From SPL Articles of Association :- No 175364 The Companies Act 1985 The objects for which the Company are established :- (k) to make payments and provide support to the Scottish Football League. http://www.scotprem.com/content/mediaassets/doc/ARTICLES%20%20OF%20ASSOCIATION%20AT%2030%20MAY%202012.pdf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aw23 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I'm pretty sure P&B has to option to set dead clubs as your team. cheers, i'll look into it. think they will let me choose the 4th bearsden boys brigade? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fife Saint Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Cause then a multi-billionaire exRangers diehard will come waltzing onto the scene, spend millions on EPL players, have them challenging in Europe again and reestablish it as the world-wide brand that it is. All for the benefit of Scottish football. Because thats what keeps Scottish Football at the standard that it is currently. Just wait for the Daily Record exclusive. Some kind of stand-up guy with off-the-radar wealth? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Shaker Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Kelty Hearts v Rangers - Stefan Winiarski Testimonial 10% of the gate goes to the Rangers Fans Fighting Fund. Will this be their only pre-season friendly? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted July 10, 2012 Author Share Posted July 10, 2012 (edited) There's a bit of history between Spartans and St Mirren over the cup tie we played back in the day. We're not sworn enemies or anything, just a bit of a storm in a teacup at boardroom level. However, that leaves me wondering who truly deserves any SFL 3 place. Spartans or 'Rangers'. Hmm. Let me think... Mon' the Spartans. Edited July 10, 2012 by pozbaird 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Some kind of stand-up guy with off-the-radar wealth? And the phone number for Ticketus in his pocket? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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