flyingrodent Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Wow..... just wow. If HMRC (the organisation, rather than a random employee) were going to leak documents because of (whatever reasons), surely it would be better to release them to e.g. The Times, or the Daily Record, or The Sun, rather than some random with a blog. If you think HMRC deliberately released information illegally - and that Wow post suggests that you do - can you explain why the Revenue would choose to intentionally give docs to some unknown tit with a blog, who would have a tiny audience and no cred, rather than to an organisation that already has a huge circulation? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingrodent Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 This is before we note that whatever else happens, in the grand scheme of things, some leaked documents basically mean fvck all, and anyone boiling about it is probably insane. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbungo1874 Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Charlotte fakes seems to be from inside Ibrox, why not the tax stuff also? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingrodent Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Charlotte fakes seems to be from inside Ibrox, why not the tax stuff also? That's a very good point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ribzanelli Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Just to be clear, there were no "guilty" admissions or verdicts. Some tax liability was agreed. That obviously doesn't vindicate every decision the taxman took e.g. taking it to a second tribunal. This is part of the problem where the Gers fans cherry pick parts of the outcome to suit there own 'innocent' agenda. The whole thing was a tax tribunal not a criminal trial, therefor liable = guilty and not liable = not guilty. You guys are quick to claim Rangers have been cleared but by admitting liability they were in essence admitting their guilt of not paying due taxes. The absence of the word guilty does not in any way prove that Rangers were 100% innocent and have been unfairly treated by HMRC. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbungo1874 Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 (edited) umbongo1874 - your guess could be close to the truth, but as you see dear chap the leak has been plugged either by removing the person or persons responsible or maybe they are keeping the head low. :lol: My point was why is everybody assuming that the tax leaks came from HMRC and not from inside Ibrox. Edited July 14, 2014 by Umbungo1874 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 As far as I am aware the completely legal tax avoidance scheme Rangers operated was completely legal The few cases where Rangers were actually liable is where they had failed to administer the scheme properly, in essence a paperwork error. The fact is that everyone on this thread has been banging on about EBT`s being tantamount to cheating in general, nobody has been differentiating between those that were administered incorrectly....the fact is that you were all wrong, EBT`s were legal, how many tax cases and appeals do you want HMRC to lose before you finally get this? Those pesky "administration errors", eh? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 As far as I am aware the completely legal tax avoidance scheme Rangers operated was completely legal The few cases where Rangers were actually liable is where they had failed to administer the scheme properly, in essence a paperwork error. The fact is that everyone on this thread has been banging on about EBT`s being tantamount to cheating in general, nobody has been differentiating between those that were administered incorrectly....the fact is that you were all wrong, EBT`s were legal, how many tax cases and appeals do you want HMRC to lose before you finally get this? Yes legal, but disgusting in any moral sense. The fact that the scheme therefore led indirectly to liquidation is just. And funny. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Yes legal, but disgusting in any moral sense. The fact that the scheme therefore led indirectly to liquidation is just. And funny. Please give the faux outrage a rest, no one believes you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Please give the faux outrage a rest, no one believes you. Nothing faux about it. Rangers are far from the only body to attempt this kind of behaviour, but it is truly sickening. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 My point was why is everybody assuming that the tax leaks came from HMRC and not from inside Ibrox. RTC and Scottish Phil were bragging that they had documuments from HMRC before Rangers recieved them. HMRC acted disgracefully throughout this and should be held to account. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Nothing faux about it. Rangers are far from the only body to attempt this kind of behaviour, but it is truly sickening. Never kid a kidder Monks... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyWellFan Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 (edited) HMRC acted disgracefully throughout this and should be held to account. Please give the faux outrage a rest, no one believes you. Edited July 14, 2014 by MikeyWellFan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbungo1874 Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 RTC and Scottish Phil were bragging that they had documuments from HMRC before Rangers recieved them. HMRC acted disgracefully throughout this and should be held to account. well you should have no problem providing links for this. If indeed this did happen 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Umbongo is denying that RTC and Scottish Phil blogged leaked documents from HMRC. Monkey has some stiff competition for the MORE MENTAL THAN NORMAN AWARD now.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ribzanelli Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 As far as I am aware the completely legal tax avoidance scheme Rangers operated was completely legal Yes, it was completely legal, except in the cases where it wasn't and Rangers admitted liability. If you are charged with 10 burglaries and admit 2 of them, you are still a burglar. Not innocent because the other 8 went your way and therefor not worth pursuing the police because you think you have been unfairly persecuted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Yes well done for ignoring my correct terminology and introducing your own incorrect emotive ones. Burglary is illegal in any form, EBT`s however are not, this forum has not been arguing about incorrectly administered EBT`s it has been arguing about EBT`s in general, the fact is that EBT`s (when correctly administered) are perfectly legal, this forum got it wrong, nothing will change that. And they don't seem able to come to terms with the fact that not only were they wrong but they were led up the garden path by a few blogging nutjobs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbungo1874 Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 (edited) Umbongo is denying that RTC and Scottish Phil blogged leaked documents from HMRC. Monkey has some stiff competition for the MORE MENTAL THAN NORMAN AWARD now.... I take it you did not read my posts because I posted that that the leaked documents could have come from within Rangers not that they had not been posted on bloggs. You went on to state that bloggers boasted they had documents before Rangers had them, I asked you for links to these boasts that would show the leaks came from within HMRC and this is your reply Edited July 14, 2014 by Umbungo1874 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 You want me to post links from the RTC website, you are quite clearly attempting to muddy the waters and deflect attention away. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyWellFan Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Regardless of any outcome, Rangers will forever be tainted. This whole hilarious mess will never be forgotten even if they go on to dominate many years down the line. Rangers fans for generations will forever be the butt of the joke and have to endure endless jibes about this. Rangers will never be the same for them even in 10-20 years time. Harrowing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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