Sons' sorrow

[Jan Vojáček]

8 hours ago, squeezebox-son said:

I'd agree to a certain extent. I thought he was very raw and looked like a young goalkeeper at the time. But he seems to have done okay since and made the bench a few times. Isn't he quite highly thought of at The Rangers?

I don't think we should go targeting him, specifically. He was just a suggestion of one that came to mind as an idea. There are probably much better and more realistic options out there. I just hope we don't bring someone in just for the sake of it. Would be nice to bring in someone as close to a replacement for Brett as possible.

He came to us with about 40 odd League One appearances and a handful in the Championship under his belt, so although it's not a lot of experience - he'd played at that level before. And for big clubs too in Raith and Thistle. That's more than Kevin and Danny Rogers had, and I thought they were both miles ahead of him.

He's 23 now and signed a new two year deal at Ibrox in the summer iirc, but is obviously third choice behind Butland and McCrorie so I'm not really sure what the aim is at this stage. Unless he's quite content in the Scott Carson role which, let's be honest, would be great fun. Especially at a club with the facilities Rangers have.

When I was zooming through all the goalkeepers we'd had under Faz he was the first one who came to mind tbh, but then I started taking flashbacks to the Edinburgh City playoff game! 

I suspect there's a very good chance we won't know the guy who comes in. And it'll be someone from a Premiership youth team. Just need to hope that he's from the Kevin Dabrowski and Danny Rogers league of youth keepers.

I've no idea if he'd come to us. But Murray Johnson at Hibs made quite an impression at Airdrie last year, went on loan to QOS this year but had his deal cancelled when they lost their first two keepers to injury early in the season. If Hibs are keen to get him playing a bit of first team football, he could be a shout.

[Boghead ranter]

10 hours ago, FifeSons said:

Ian Murray doing something special at Raith. But no, all his success was down to Jack Ross…

Disny wave at the fans, but.

[Burnsythebinman]

17 hours ago, Jan Vojáček said:

Lads. Brett Long has broken his ankle.

https://dumbartonfootballclub.com/brett-long-ruled-out-for-indefinite-period/

he pulled off two class saves on saturday against us. dont like to hear any player getting a bad injury so genuinely wish him well

[FifeSons]

1 hour ago, Jan Vojáček said:

He came to us with about 40 odd League One appearances and a handful in the Championship under his belt, so although it's not a lot of experience - he'd played at that level before. And for big clubs too in Raith and Thistle. That's more than Kevin and Danny Rogers had, and I thought they were both miles ahead of him.

He's 23 now and signed a new two year deal at Ibrox in the summer iirc, but is obviously third choice behind Butland and McCrorie so I'm not really sure what the aim is at this stage. Unless he's quite content in the Scott Carson role which, let's be honest, would be great fun. Especially at a club with the facilities Rangers have.

When I was zooming through all the goalkeepers we'd had under Faz he was the first one who came to mind tbh, but then I started taking flashbacks to the Edinburgh City playoff game! 

I suspect there's a very good chance we won't know the guy who comes in. And it'll be someone from a Premiership youth team. Just need to hope that he's from the Kevin Dabrowski and Danny Rogers league of youth keepers.

I've no idea if he'd come to us. But Murray Johnson at Hibs made quite an impression at Airdrie last year, went on loan to QOS this year but had his deal cancelled when they lost their first two keepers to injury early in the season. If Hibs are keen to get him playing a bit of first team football, he could be a shout.

I hope Farrell listens to your suggestions, Jan. Can we get you onboard as a scout?

[O'Kelly Isley III]

12 hours ago, Clarko_son said:

I thought Ramsbottom was still kicking about at Edinburgh but not playing. Didn't realise he's playing for Cape Town Spurs in the South African top flight, albeit unsuccessfully by what I can see on Twitter 

Thank God, some good news....

To be serious, I'd firmly pass on Kieran Wright; apart from not recalling his spell here as particularly impressive, Rangers seem to have some weird shit going on with keepers - was Connor Brennan not a coach there ?

Also, suppose you did take him and Harry Broun is struggling, Rangers wouldn't allow Wright to play in the Cup-tie.  No, better to get someone else, and hopefully quickly. 

 

[Bring Back Paddy Flannery]

I have a feeling whoever we do bring in will be the cheap option and given Broun is untested and inexperienced I think Farrell will favour an older head. Parry has been hopeless for years now but I can absolutely see him being the type of guy that he’ll sign if he’s available on the cheap. 

[Neilly]

Just seen the news about Long that's a disaster for the lad.

Speedy recovery hopefully. First class keeper who should really be operating above this level.

[Skyline Drifter]

3 hours ago, Jan Vojáček said:

I've no idea if he'd come to us. But Murray Johnson at Hibs made quite an impression at Airdrie last year, went on loan to QOS this year but had his deal cancelled when they lost their first two keepers to injury early in the season. If Hibs are keen to get him playing a bit of first team football, he could be a shout.

I'd be surprised if Hibs let him back out to anyone other than us unless they are VERY sure he's not playing for them. He played a game for us so if he plays for you (or anyone else) then he can't play for them even on emergency recall. To be fair he does appear to be 4th choice currently so with Wollacot now back maybe they would let him out but I'd imagine it would only be to someone where he'd play for the rest of the season. He'll not be going anywhere for a month or two.

I wouldn't completely dismiss the prospect of him returning to us in January either now that all Hibs keepers are fit. Likely depends what happens with Harry Stone who came in on loan till January when HIbs recalled Johnson.

[Jan Vojáček]

4 hours ago, Skyline Drifter said:

I'd be surprised if Hibs let him back out to anyone other than us unless they are VERY sure he's not playing for them. He played a game for us so if he plays for you (or anyone else) then he can't play for them even on emergency recall. To be fair he does appear to be 4th choice currently so with Wollacot now back maybe they would let him out but I'd imagine it would only be to someone where he'd play for the rest of the season. He'll not be going anywhere for a month or two.

I wouldn't completely dismiss the prospect of him returning to us in January either now that all Hibs keepers are fit. Likely depends what happens with Harry Stone who came in on loan till January when HIbs recalled Johnson.

Yeah there are a lot of factors at play generally'. I'd imagine that a broken ankle will leave Brett looking at four months or so out (depending on the severity, that's how long my brother was out for when he did his) so it's quite hard to see him playing again this season for us given he'll need to return to training, get fit and sharp after his recovery. Which might make a loan move for someone keen to play appealing given there's half a season to go.

Personally, I'd be giving Harry a run until January. He deserves the opportunity. If he's looking comfortable between now and then (with some regen emergency loanee on the bench) then we can keep running like that. If he's struggling then a move in January for someone with No.1 credentials would make sense.

I had a wee look back across Harry's 10 competitive games for us. He's kept four clean sheets (Peterhead, Raith, Annan when he replaced Brett in the first-half and Bonnyrigg) and conceded 14. Albeit seven of those came in one game.

Granted I wasn't at the Rangers B or Kilmarnock B matches for obvious reasons; but I'd say those stats should be quite reassuring. Especially given he was only 18 I think when he made his debut. And given that four of the games (Peterhead, Raith, ICT and Kelty) were against teams in the league above. I thought he was absolutely outstanding against ICT in the cup victory in July as well.

[O'Kelly Isley III]

1 hour ago, Jan Vojáček said:

Yeah there are a lot of factors at play generally'. I'd imagine that a broken ankle will leave Brett looking at four months or so out (depending on the severity, that's how long my brother was out for when he did his) so it's quite hard to see him playing again this season for us given he'll need to return to training, get fit and sharp after his recovery. Which might make a loan move for someone keen to play appealing given there's half a season to go.

Personally, I'd be giving Harry a run until January. He deserves the opportunity. If he's looking comfortable between now and then (with some regen emergency loanee on the bench) then we can keep running like that. If he's struggling then a move in January for someone with No.1 credentials would make sense.

I had a wee look back across Harry's 10 competitive games for us. He's kept four clean sheets (Peterhead, Raith, Annan when he replaced Brett in the first-half and Bonnyrigg) and conceded 14. Albeit seven of those came in one game.

Granted I wasn't at the Rangers B or Kilmarnock B matches for obvious reasons; but I'd say those stats should be quite reassuring. Especially given he was only 18 I think when he made his debut. And given that four of the games (Peterhead, Raith, ICT and Kelty) were against teams in the league above. I thought he was absolutely outstanding against ICT in the cup victory in July as well.

It's a conundrum, a young player won't develop without experience but the goalkeeping position is such a specialist  one and regular mediocrity isn't ever an option. 

[Jan Vojáček]

1 minute ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:

It's a conundrum, a young player won't develop without experience but the goalkeeping position is such a specialist  one and regular mediocrity isn't ever an option. 

It's a situation my brother is currently in. His manager said he wanted a more experienced goalkeeper in. So signed one, but he's now sat on the bench having played all season - wondering how he gets experience.

Big call for Faz either way. But this is why he's paid the money and we're all sat in the stand on a Saturday I guess. I don't envy him at all.

[THE CHOSEN SON]

Surely the logical option here is for our glorious leader Alan Martin to get the gloves back on

[Sweet Pete]

2 hours ago, Jan Vojáček said:

Yeah there are a lot of factors at play generally'. I'd imagine that a broken ankle will leave Brett looking at four months or so out (depending on the severity, that's how long my brother was out for when he did his) so it's quite hard to see him playing again this season for us given he'll need to return to training, get fit and sharp after his recovery. Which might make a loan move for someone keen to play appealing given there's half a season to go.

Personally, I'd be giving Harry a run until January. He deserves the opportunity. If he's looking comfortable between now and then (with some regen emergency loanee on the bench) then we can keep running like that. If he's struggling then a move in January for someone with No.1 credentials would make sense.

I had a wee look back across Harry's 10 competitive games for us. He's kept four clean sheets (Peterhead, Raith, Annan when he replaced Brett in the first-half and Bonnyrigg) and conceded 14. Albeit seven of those came in one game.

Granted I wasn't at the Rangers B or Kilmarnock B matches for obvious reasons; but I'd say those stats should be quite reassuring. Especially given he was only 18 I think when he made his debut. And given that four of the games (Peterhead, Raith, ICT and Kelty) were against teams in the league above. I thought he was absolutely outstanding against ICT in the cup victory in July as well.

He was excellent against Inverness and woeful against Rangers B. Responsible for 3 or 4 of the goals. He's young and has potential, but will blow hot and cold as all young players do. But due to his position his cold performances will stand out more. He'll definitely get some experience in the immediate term as he'll be thrown in while other options are explored. What's big fat Jamie Barclay up to these days?

[macclyde+]

On 14/12/2023 at 10:32, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said:

I have a feeling whoever we do bring in will be the cheap option and given Broun is untested and inexperienced I think Farrell will favour an older head. Parry has been hopeless for years now but I can absolutely see him being the type of guy that he’ll sign if he’s available on the cheap. 

Please take him

Pretty sure we are signing a keeper anyway, so Langfield likely to be no 2.

[O'Kelly Isley III]

1 hour ago, macclyde+ said:

Please take him

Pretty sure we are signing a keeper anyway, so Langfield likely to be no 2.

You're in trouble if it's Jamie Langfield

[macclyde+]

On 15/12/2023 at 13:59, O'Kelly Isley III said:

You're in trouble if it's Jamie Langfield

He's probably still a better bet than Leighfield

[PWL]

Looking forward to seeing this goal. However, I must be getting old as I fail to see what protection a matchbox down your sock gives you. What happened to shinguards?  

Bah humbug. In my day etc ....

 

[Clarko_son]

18 minutes ago, PWL said:

Looking forward to seeing this goal. However, I must be getting old as I fail to see what protection a matchbox down your sock gives you. What happened to shinguards?  

Bah humbug. In my day etc ....

 

I find myself getting irrationally annoyed when players cut holes in the back of their socks so I feel your pain 

[Jordo1872]

19 minutes ago, PWL said:

Looking forward to seeing this goal. However, I must be getting old as I fail to see what protection a matchbox down your sock gives you. What happened to shinguards?  

Bah humbug. In my day etc ....

 

If I was Finlay who’s quick feet and pace can make him prone to late tackles I’d be wearing proper shinguards or risk one day getting a serious injury that would be a disaster for a player at his stage of his career.

Should be banned but for now they are permitted and ultimately up to the player.

 

[Bring Back Paddy Flannery]

Aye I’m totally with you on the shinnies debate. Do they think wearing wee tiny shin guards makes them better? Do they think it improves their ability to run or move or something? WHY DO THEY DO THIS!?