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I met a couple of bandsmen in the pub last night who were over from somewhere near Londonderry for some do in Glasgow today and they were pissed up tourists with comedy accents who seemed harmless enough.

On leaving i was told "Have a goodnight and don't crack too many chestnuts"

What the f**k does that mean?

I don't think chestnuts had been mentioned all night, and besides, you roast and peel chestnuts instead of cracking them.

Is this an obscure bit of Northern Irish backwoods slang?

Was I being insulted, complimented, wished well, propositioned?

Or was it just surreal drunken nonsense

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Why have a march in Scotland that celebrates killing Catholics in Ireland?

Unsurprisingly the supports of it are cretinous Ranges fans who live in the past. And Fashanu-AFC who's a troll.

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The true test of your tolerance is how you deal with people you disagree with most strongly and the real definition of bigotry is being opposed to something to an unreasonable extent. You can be bigoted in the extent of your support of the SNP and independence, just as you can be bigoted in the extent of your support for the Union and the Windsor monarchy.

Why have a march in Scotland that celebrates killing Catholics in Ireland?

You should maybe check up on which side the Pope was actually on in 1690, although I don't doubt it would also come as a shock to many flute band members. Reality is more complex and multi-faceted than the stereotypes people peddle on this. If I delve back into my family tree a bit the people in my family who were most into Orangeism were also well into the Labour party and socialism given they were from a coal mining background. Your perception of what it is all about may not correspond neatly with what the people involved think they are celebrating.

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Think I could hear a flute band type thing from my flat near Gorgie, or am I talking shite?

Also, "Scottish cricket"? :lol:

I thought I heard that too and it turns out we were right

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Apprentice Boys of Derry - City of Edinburgh Campsie Club, Dalry and Gorgie, Edinburgh, 23/05/2015

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I thought I heard that too and it turns out we were right

Edinburgh Council Site Lists

Apprentice Boys of Derry - City of Edinburgh Campsie Club, Dalry and Gorgie, Edinburgh, 23/05/2015

The Highlanders have run away with this season's North Sea Pro series

http://www.cricketscotland.com/north-sea-pro-series/

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See if they really want to walk and celebrate, can they not just hire Glasgow Green or a big open space? I'm genuinely not trying to antagonise but I don't really see the point in bringing streets to a standstill. If they want to celebrate something that happened over 300 years ago in a different country, then wire in, but don't inconvenience people who don't want to take part. Unless that's part of the fun......?

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I am no legal expert, but I would suggest that the right of freedom of assembly, protest, freedom of speech and procession were in existence and protected long before the UK signed up to adhere to Human Rights legislation. Nor I am aware of any loyal order parade in Scotland having to have went to the ECHR to get permission to stage a march....

Under the traditional Westminster system there was no written constitution and the sovereignty of the crown in parliament gave a parliamentary majority the power to do pretty much anything it wanted, so rights like that were not firmly constitutionally entrenched, but more of a convention respected by tradition that could be suspended whenever it was convenient for those in power to do so. A lot of SNP types would love to ban the walks once and for all. They haven't tried because they know that European Convention on Human Rights makes freedom of assembly an entrenched right that has to be respected by local councils. David Cameron wants to be seen to reduce the influence of the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg as a cynical ploy to keep UKIP at bay. Nicola Sturgeon is happy to do anything that drives a wedge constitutionally between Scotland and England, so will use the way it is the ECHR is entrenched into the Scotland Act of 1998 to do the opposite.

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Do you object to traffic congestion caused by any other protest or parade or just loyal order ones? How many times this year as your life been inconveniced by being caught up by huge volumes of traffic caused by them?

Do you not think that the "battles that happened over 300 years ago in another country" had any influence upon the development of "our country"?

^^^ Orangeman found.

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Under the traditional Westminster system there was no written constitution and the sovereignty of the crown in parliament gave a parliamentary majority the power to do pretty much anything it wanted,

This is very bad wording, chap. The delight of 1688's revolution was to give parliament sovereignty over the crown.

You are right in saying that, "a parliamentary majority (has) the power to do pretty much anything it wanted,"

Now I deprecate any attempts to change The Human Rights act for The UK and doubt it will happen. However, I don't see it having an affect on any peaceful celebration of William's glorious revolution.

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That's the point of the sovereignty of the crown in parliament notion within English legal tradition (Scots law is often said to differ a bit about where sovereignty ultimately lies with the people being claimed to be ultimately sovereign, but it makes little practical difference). The idea is precisely that parliament rather than the monarchy ultimately holds all the power and can do as it pleases in legislative terms with no US style written constitution to firmly entrench individual rights and freedoms as a counterbalance. The UK predates the Enlightenment, so it missed out on that sort of stuff in constitutional terms at least until the ECHR was signed up to and the authority of the court in Strasbourg was recognised. Cameron's desire to go down this route puts him in Jobbik sort of territory.

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