vikingTON Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 When the SNP hold a parade in Stirling over Bannockburn over some old battle from centuries ago of questionable relevance to the present day is it also absolutely driven by hatred and intolerance? "The SNP" are holding no such parade. Other than that just a terrific attempt at whataboutery from the forum's resident bigot apologist. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Am questioning HB's veneer of respectability when someone questions questionable employment practice in Catholic schools when, in reality, he twists it round to an argument about Protestant schools and makes snide remarks about those criticising the said dodgy employment practice, making snide comments describing them as "staunch" or Loyal", and then lambasts 3,000 people he has never met as scum. He may not like them, and is more than entitled to that opinion, but it is hardly the terminology of a measured and reasoned man. I can quite easily think of groups of more than 3,000 people who can justifiably be considered scum. Pretty much any neo-Nazi organisation for a start, up to and including their garden racist tag-alongs like 'Britain First'. Quite why you thought a child-like 'but you haven't met all of them!' response would work on an adult forum, who knows. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 (edited) Was thinking more of your comment describing 3,000 people you have never met as "scum".You don't need to meet people to decide where they if there scum or not, some are quite good at hiding it and you don't notice they are scum until you have known them a while, others however make it obvious, and if they are going to march around showing their scumbagery to all then there isn't really any reason to get to know them better before identifying them as scum. Edited May 23, 2014 by parsforlife 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 I thought this was an informative, sensible read until you mentioned Rangers. I think the only actively "practicing" Orangeman posting in this thread is an Aberdeen supporter, for what it's worth, which shows why stereotypes are best avoided. Not sure how informative the post really was beyond that. The Dan Winter's cottage stuff that revolved around rural paramilitarism didn't have much to do with what led to the growth of Orangeism later on in Ulster, the Scottish coalfields and beyond. Many/most Presbyterians were on the side of the United Irishmen in 1798 because 18th century Ireland wasn't a fun place to be if you weren't Anglican and it was the Presbyterians that had the numbers in Ulster rather than the CoI. What the LOL later provided was a vehicle for Protestants, who were split between several different denominations, to meet socially and organise in the face of an Irish nationalism that moved away from being inspired by the ideals of the French revolution to being driven by ancestral tribalism. Think people also tend to lose sight of the importance of the meeting socially angle on this in a just another excuse to get bevvied sort of way. You don't need to meet people to decide where they if there scum or not.... But I bet he'll still deny being prejudiced against the aforementioned individuals. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Basically orange walkers are a bunch of c***s 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Basically orange walkers are a bunch of c***s But you can't say that, you haven't met them all. There might be a few nice supremacist bigots in amongst them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Basically orange walkers are a bunch of c***sThis, a thousand times this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Co.Down Hibee Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Is there much trouble in Scotland at Orange parades? Is it basically drunken jakey types following them? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 No, but some people simply can't stand the sight of a Union Flag and project their own hangups onto it in an exaggerated sort of way & not likely to be mistaken for a MENSA convention but more than just drunken jakey types lining the streets to watch the bands go by 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BossHogg Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Is there much trouble in Scotland at Orange parades? Is it basically drunken jakey types following them? Yes , there's always lots Rangers fans there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 No, but some people simply can't stand the sight of a Union Flag and project their own hangups onto it in an exaggerated sort of way & not likely to be mistaken for a MENSA convention but more than just drunken jakey types lining the streets to watch the bands go by ^^^ word salad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Half Rice Half Chips Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Anyone that openly carries a union jack in Scotland has leanings towards racist, extreme right wing brit nat groups like bnp, britain first, sdl, loyalist paramilitaries etc. There's never an "innocent" motive to someone carrying a uj in this country, in Scotland it's used as a flag of hate by these groups. I'm sorry but it's true. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 ^^^Prime example of what I was talking about. How about Remembrance Sunday? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 I'm not a Nat, I'm not a Catholic, I'm an ordinary Scottish guy born and raised. Can I ask a question? Why, in 2014, are bigoted sectarian halfwits from an Irish political group allowed to parade through the streets of my town celebrating some shitey wee religious scuffle in a foreign country centuries ago? This is an affront to modern society 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 ...because freedom of assembly is a fundamental human right protected by European Charter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Freedom of assembly is not the same as freedom to traipse along major routes of an urban area with dud 17th Century nonsense. Though perhaps the OO should exercise their right to assembly in a wider space. The M8, for example. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sloop John B Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 There was an orange march going past during my cricket game in Coatbridge. I'm blaming those bigoted fucks for getting me out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 There was an orange march going past during my cricket game in Coatbridge. I'm blaming those bigoted fucks for getting me out. Did you get bowled a jaffa? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamaldo Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 No, but some people simply can't stand the sight of a Union Flag and project their own hangups onto it in an exaggerated sort of way & not likely to be mistaken for a MENSA convention but more than just drunken jakey types lining the streets to watch the bands go by You'll be as quick to condemn the celebrations of the beginning of WW1 as well I take it? Or is that completely different? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sloop John B Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Did you get bowled a jaffa? Nah, I got caught out, like Donald Findlay singing inappropriate songs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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