Half Rice Half Chips Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Sorry forever blue, did you also disagree with my assertion that rangers operated a 70 year ethnic profiling policy? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Long time lurker, you should read Max Hasting's biography of Winston Churchill if you believe the children's fairytale that Britain entered war with Germany to preserve democracy... What I focused on was the immediate aftermath of the fall of France rather than what happened in 1939 and you appear to have missed some of the nuanced points in my post over the Union Flag only symbolizing freedom in the narrow context related to that. When the crunch came and a deal could have been done after the military disaster in France (Hitler didn't press home his advantage at Dunkirk with a view to achieving that) when Hitler still had a non-aggression pact with Stalin in the east, the UK kept fighting even though people like Churchill knew it would probably ultimately mean the end of Empire. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyWellFan Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Looks like they are playing the sash out in Lisbon now, no sanctity left it seems. Shouting 'f**k the pope' when you're from Portugal and 99% likely to be Catholic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Preview of the games next week at Dumfries. http://www.cricketscotland.com/news/article/preview-reivers-v-highlanders/ What's the weather doing down there? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Shouting 'f**k the pope' when you're from Portugal and 99% likely to be Catholic. ^^^A very Scottish mentality. Portugal has a "red belt" in the south from about Lisbon down to just north of the Algarve where most of the population had strong Communist or Socialist sympathies by the mid-20th century and often very much rejected the RC church. Benfica traditionally draws a lot of its support from people from that sort of background. Italy has something similar north of Rome around about Tuscany in the former Papal States. Hence why clubs like Livorno and Empoli (Ultras are called Rangers funnily enough) are very left leaning. In most of southern Europe the emergence of the modern nation state was due to the emergence of liberal and left wing anti-clerical movements, so people don't equate Roman Catholicism with national identity in the way that happens in the island of Ireland or in countries like Croatia and Poland where there were other national groups like Serbs and Ukrainians that spoke much the same language but traditionally went to a different type of church. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyWellFan Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 ^^^A very Scottish mentality. Portugal has a "red belt" in the south from about Lisbon down to just north of the Algarve where most of the population had strong Communist or Socialist sympathies by the mid-20th century and often very much rejected the RC church. Benfica traditionally draws a lot of its support from people from that sort of background. Italy has something similar north of Rome around about Tuscany in the former Papal States. Hence why clubs like Livorno and Empoli (Ultras are called Rangers funnily enough) are very left leaning. In most of southern Europe the emergence of the modern nation state was due to the emergence of liberal and left wing anti-clerical movements, so people don't equate Roman Catholicism with national identity in the way that happens in the island of Ireland or in countries like Croatia and Poland where there were other national groups like Serbs and Ukrainians that spoke much the same language but traditionally went to a different type of church. I imagine 'f**k the pope' to be quite a popular chant on the terraces of Livorno and Benfica. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share Posted June 2, 2014 ahh those far left celtic fans who bombarded a high profile black rangers player with banana's on his old firm debut ? Let's not forget the Rangers captain who racially abused a black Dortmund player. Swings and roundabouts 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever_blue Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Let's not forget the Rangers captain who racially abused a black Dortmund player. Swings and roundabouts i am not the one claiming us to be some sort of socialist left wing movement ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Let's not forget the Rangers captain who racially abused a black Dortmund player. Swings and roundabouts What did he call him - "A dirty H*n"? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Half Rice Half Chips Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 If Che Guevara were alive today I think we can safely say that Rangers FC would be towards the bottom of the list of football clubs he'd support. He hated imperialism. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever_blue Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 If Che Guevara were alive today I think we can safely say that Rangers FC would be towards the bottom of the list of football clubs he'd support. He hated imperialism. and if william wallace was alive the day he might support england in the world cup . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 If Che Guevara were alive today I think we can safely say that Rangers FC would be towards the bottom of the list of football clubs he'd support. He hated imperialism. ...but if you are an Italian from Empoli who is fiercely anti-clerical maybe all you see is that they are anti-RC church and we are anti-RC church, they play in blue we play in blue, or maybe there's no connection at all I'm not sure to be honest? In Scotland the RC church cosied up in a big way to the main left wing party with the trade-off being RC schools guaranteed in exchange for a block RC vote, so the Kelly and White families that traditionally controlled Celtic before the mars bars started flying could comfortably accommodate left wing politics with Roman Catholicism but in southern Europe an involvement with a socialist party often led to excommunication: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentiloni_pact Different set of historical circumstances so you can't easily apply what seems normal to people in the west of Scotland to what happens somewhere like Portugal or Italy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share Posted June 2, 2014 What did he call him - "A dirty H*n"? A black barstewart, tried to deny it. Before getting caught and surprisingly no action taken by the club for it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 ...and where are you going with this? Lorenzo Amoruso isn't the most Lowland Scots Presbyterian sounding of names so odds on it had more to do with expediency and needing him playing at his best in the next game rather than anything deeply sinister about the traditional culture of the club. It was Rangers who signed Mark Walters after all and way before that Walter Tull: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Tull 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audaces Fortuna Juvat Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 A black barstewart, tried to deny it. Before getting caught and surprisingly no action taken by the club for it And didn't a very recent Celtic manager mouth "dirty Orange barstewards" at the Main Stand at Ibrox during an OF game, and escape punishment from his club? As you say, swings and roundabouts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Co.Down Hibee Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I would say keeping score of vile acts between the OF would be a full time job in all honesty. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audaces Fortuna Juvat Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 (edited) I would say keeping score of vile acts between the OF would be a full time job in all honesty. Agreed, they both have a disproportionately large number of vile bigots, but Half Rice is trying demonise very large numbers of Rangers fans by linking them to fascism and fascist groups, just as he tried to demonise the union flag earlier in this thread. Edited June 2, 2014 by Audaces Fortuna Juvat 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever_blue Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 where did this celtic as a far left , socialist club nonsense really begin? think it has alot to do with rise of the green brigades popularity and there latching onto political causes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share Posted June 2, 2014 I would say keeping score of vile acts between the OF would be a full time job in all honesty. What's the pay like? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 (edited) Let's not forget the Rangers captain who racially abused a black Dortmund player. Swings and roundabouts Great bit of whataboutery. Let's also look at the racist abuse Ian Wright suffered at the mouths of Celtic fans. And that's not even to mention John Barnes. Celtic fans have a disgraceful record of intolerance and racism. Edited June 2, 2014 by H_B 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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