Conspiracies

[welshbairn]

I don't think Putin signed off on it.

Wouldn't surprise me he said as an aside "Will someone rid me of this troublesome priest?" and someone took him a bit too literally.

[welshbairn]

Nemtsov wasn't any political threat to Putin, so as someone suggested above having him assassinated would probably do him more harm than good.

Maybe being a deranged, paranoid megalomaniac is the way forward in politics, since it has earned him an 85% approval rating with the voting public (compared to 41% for David Cameron and 46% for Obama). Or maybe those polled all did so at gunpoint.

Helps if you control the media and feed them with a constant diet of Nationalist warlike rhetoric. Here's an example:

Russian Strategic Missile Forces will parry all nuclear attacks and punish the enemy with a devastating retaliatory strike.

[banana]

Helps if you control the media and feed them with a constant diet of Nationalist warlike rhetoric. Here's an example:

Russian Strategic Missile Forces will parry all nuclear attacks and punish the enemy with a devastating retaliatory strike.

Indeed. But lets not pretend that the western media is unbiased, agendaless, and has no government hand in places to get the 'right message' across, which includes the public perception of Putin and Russia.

Edited March 1, 2015 by banana

[Zetterlund]

Helps if you control the media and feed them with a constant diet of Nationalist warlike rhetoric. Here's an example:

Russian Strategic Missile Forces will parry all nuclear attacks and punish the enemy with a devastating retaliatory strike.

They do love a nice big missile article. Surely you're not suggesting we have a free, unbiased media ourselves though? The tripe in the UK and US media about Russia is at least as bad or worse than the sometimes comical state media there.

Yesterday we had the former head of MI6 saying that Russia is a danger to the UK and we need to take steps to defend ourselves. That is just utter nonsense propaganda designed to scare us simple folk and no doubt prep us to accept getting involved militarily in Ukraine in the near future.

[Bigmouth Strikes Again]

One might say they went down quicker than Peter Pawlett at Dens Park.

Yes, or your mum.

Edited March 1, 2015 by Bigmouth Strikes Again

[welshbairn]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-25_Empire_State_Building_crash

At 9:40 a.m., the aircraft crashed into the north side of the Empire State Building, between the 78th and 80th floors, carving an 18-by-20-foot (5.5 m × 6.1 m) hole in the building^[8] where the offices of the National Catholic Welfare Council were located. One engine shot through the South side opposite the impact and flew as far as the next block, dropping 900 feet and landing on the roof of a nearby building and starting a fire that destroyed a penthouse. The other engine and part of the landing gear plummeted down an elevator shaft. The resulting fire was extinguished in 40 minutes. It is still the only fire at such a height to be brought under control.^[8

I doubt if you'd get 10,000 gallons of fuel in one of them wee things..

[Young Joseph Stalin]

Helps if you control the media and feed them with a constant diet of Nationalist warlike rhetoric. Here's an example:

Russian Strategic Missile Forces will parry all nuclear attacks and punish the enemy with a devastating retaliatory strike.

In the same way the media here keeps Lab/Lib/Con in power.

[Ned Nederlander]

Though to be frank, Bush looked even more dodgy upon hearing the news then than Putin does now, and the reluctance to release video of the Pentagon attack does leave a question mark that I wish they'd address.

The notion that the U.S of A would inflict anything as rip-roaringly embarrassing and also utterly tragic on themselves is clearly absurd.

Why, also, would they make it so intricate ? Surely hundreds of people would have been involved and surely one of them would have cracked by now!? and why hit multiple targets ? surly one aircraft into one tower would have provided whatever end result the Government were supposed to have been trying to engineer.

Anyone who believes 9/11 was a conspiracy is a moron.

I also laugh when these c'nts tell us to open our minds and not be sheep !! Most folk are capable of comprehending information and coming to our own conclusions about events - those fandans follow Youtube experts who believe lizard folk walk amongst us

Edited March 1, 2015 by Ned Nederlander

[banana]

The notion that the U.S of A would inflict anything as rip-roaringly embarrassing and also utterly tragic on themselves is clearly absurd.

Debatably absurd, it depends on the end goal versus the cost.

Even if it is clearly absurd, it doesn't preclude it from being true. Absurd shit happens all the time.

[Young Joseph Stalin]

The notion that the U.S of A would inflict anything as rip-roaringly embarrassing and also utterly tragic on themselves is clearly absurd.

Why, also, would they make it so intricate ? Surely hundreds of people would have been involved and surely one of them would have cracked by now!? and why hit multiple targets ? surly one aircraft into one tower would have provided whatever end result the Government were supposed to have been trying to engineer.

Anyone who believes 9/11 was a conspiracy is a moron.

I also laugh when these c'nts tell us to open our minds and not be sheep !! Most folk are capable of comprehending information and coming to our own conclusions about events - those fandans follow Youtube experts who believe lizard folk walk amongst us

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor

[RandomGuy.]

The notion that the U.S of A would inflict anything as rip-roaringly embarrassing and also utterly tragic on themselves is clearly absurd.

Why, also, would they make it so intricate ? Surely hundreds of people would have been involved and surely one of them would have cracked by now!? and why hit multiple targets ? surly one aircraft into one tower would have provided whatever end result the Government were supposed to have been trying to engineer.

Anyone who believes 9/11 was a conspiracy is a moron.

I also laugh when these c'nts tell us to open our minds and not be sheep !! Most folk are capable of comprehending information and coming to our own conclusions about events - those fandans follow Youtube experts who believe lizard folk walk amongst us

Depends if you're thinking they planned it or whether they just refused to act when they found out it was happening.

[Bigmouth Strikes Again]

Nobody told NORAD what was happening.

[Zetterlund]

The official version of the 9/11 events has far too many holes in it to be taken as fact, although that's not to say I think it was a full-on inside job by the government lizardfolk. A few of the main suspicious points for me include -

Building 7 falling down after a wee fire for no reason.

The pristine terrorist passport found in the rubble, and his luggage which luckily missed the flight and subsequently was found to contain details of all 19 hijackers' dastardly plans.

The fact there was a drill going on at the same time preparing for the actual events that were happening.

Bush & Cheney being questioned during the official investigation in private and off the record.

Part of the official report being classified for 'national security' reasons.

And countless others.

[banana]

Building 7 falling down after a wee fire for no reason.

It was heavily damaged by parts of the collapsing towers, and collapsed thereafter.

Edited March 1, 2015 by banana

[Zetterlund]

It was heavily damaged by parts of the collapsing towers, and collapsed thereafter.

^^^ Government misinformation agent

[Enigma]

Russian mafia IMO.

[EdgarusQPFC]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-25_Empire_State_Building_crash

At 9:40 a.m., the aircraft crashed into the north side of the Empire State Building, between the 78th and 80th floors, carving an 18-by-20-foot (5.5 m × 6.1 m) hole in the building^[8] where the offices of the National Catholic Welfare Council were located. One engine shot through the South side opposite the impact and flew as far as the next block, dropping 900 feet and landing on the roof of a nearby building and starting a fire that destroyed a penthouse. The other engine and part of the landing gear plummeted down an elevator shaft. The resulting fire was extinguished in 40 minutes. It is still the only fire at such a height to be brought under control.^[8

There is a considerable difference in the damage caused by a 9,210 kg B-25 Mitchell leaving a 5.5x6.1m hole in the side of a building and a boeing 767 which even at dry weight is 80,130 kg while realistically being anywhere up to 142,880 kg in weight, the impact damage was considerably worse than the ESB damage and the fire didnt last anywhere near as long, take into consideration the differences in building design aswell, there are far to many variables to consider.

[SodjesSixteenIncher]

I know f**k all about the other things mentioned but Bush and Cheney being questioned in private isn't really that surprising, imo. Presumably the questioning focused on what was known beforehand and how that information was gathered. Not exactly going to want to publish that.

[Zen Archer (Raconteur)]

There is a considerable difference in the damage caused by a 9,210 kg B-25 Mitchell leaving a 5.5x6.1m hole in the side of a building and a boeing 767 which even at dry weight is 80,130 kg while realistically being anywhere up to 142,880 kg in weight, the impact damage was considerably worse than the ESB damage and the fire didnt last anywhere near as long, take into consideration the differences in building design aswell, there are far to many variables to consider.

That's why I didn't bother either.

[welshbairn]

There is a considerable difference in the damage caused by a 9,210 kg B-25 Mitchell leaving a 5.5x6.1m hole in the side of a building and a boeing 767 which even at dry weight is 80,130 kg while realistically being anywhere up to 142,880 kg in weight, the impact damage was considerably worse than the ESB damage and the fire didnt last anywhere near as long, take into consideration the differences in building design aswell, there are far to many variables to consider.

That's why I didn't bother either.

No point, they raise one supposedly ambiguous issue and it's immediately quashed, and they hunt for another, never mind that there are thousands of witnesses who saw what happened and Al Qaida were proud to admit that they did it. They built their case on red flakes found around Building 7 that absolutely had to be evidence of explosives, turned out they were primer paint, so they go onto something else. Don't know why people feel the need to dispute the transparently obvious.