Skyline Drifter Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 (edited) 1 hour ago, BFTD said: This is genuinely interesting and hopefully it remains civil. Shame we don't have the actual figures. No reason why it wouldn't be civil. Nobody has an axe to grind here, but the income from 3G pitches is usually massively over-stated because they were seen as moneyspinners when they first arrived I think. The truth is somewhat different. We choose not to hire ours largely and up to this season we don't train on it either, although we are now doing so every Wednesday. It's used by the first team every second Saturday and every Wednesday. The Reserves have a daytime home game every 2 - 3 weeks in the season. The 16s and 18s are at home every second Sunday and they also train on the pitch for a couple of hours two nights a week. The ladies team occasionally use it but generally play their home games elsewhere. We have two indooor five a side pitches which do well but we don't encourage main pitch hires generally. 28 minutes ago, LeodhasXD said: I'll concede @Skyline Drifter300k is optimistic after sitting down but prize money isn't. Alloa Ath - £116k SPFL prize money as estimated by @SPFLmediawatch on twitter. Stenhousemuir is estimated as just £89k after winning the fourth tier last year. I'll keep it as simple as possible through timeslots its used. Obviously for Alloa Athletic you're not going to get any income but you'd pay to have the same facility elsewhere. 4 days its fully booked from 6-9. £40 a third would give you over 48 weeks £69120. Dunfermline would have been in 4 days a week for 4 hours. They'd have got a healthy discount however I'd wager. I don't massively keep up with the youths and women due to time involved but estimate they're at home 24 times a year on Fridays - Sundays. Throw the use our changing facilities in it might be £300 instead of just £200 for the pitch. For the 4 teams - £28,800. There's kids youth teams in most Saturday mornings even before our first team games. We've got some welfare cup final on next Saturday while we are away, we had three girl's/womens cup finals last month. There's walking football on during the day three times a week and there's also some free football programme - I forget its name but I had a conversation with the guy the other week. I did weekly play on the Sunday nights before I started playing in a Sunday afternoon league. I'm not sure on the 5-a-sides because they used to be community club income. So what I've accounted for isn't necessarily exhaustive. I don't think ticket sales go that far even if you have you have 4x Dunfermline and Falkirk bringing 800 or so fans. Not disputing any of that, and as I said I wasn't sure how much you hired it commercially as it's nowhere near as obvious online. There's a phone number to call for "pitch bookings" but no online booking and availability system like Stenny have. Stenny have always pushed the community use of their facility big time since it went in. Were Dunfermline just training there through the week or did they use it for reserve games etc? If it was simply training usage it's doubtful you got more than £10k - £15k a season from it. Appreciate Broomhill were playing games there but they weren't training full time so probably even less. Neither does so now though? Chances are you're taking less than £70k from it now in income. It won't be absolutely fully booked. Not all bookings will be for thirds presumably (and I'm assuming a whole pitch booking isn't the same as three thirds? Maybe it is). Do the women run separately and actually pay for usage or are they part of the club? Of course there's the savings in booking other accommodation. As noted previously you could do your first team training at Ochilview for likely less than £15k per annum. Same again for the youths I suppose. Could easily be saving £50k or so in facility hire by not needing to. If you add the savings to the income it will certainly outweigh your gate receipts, certainly now that you don't have either Dunfermline, Falkirk or Stirling for that matter. I presume you don't have an away team bringing much more than the 150 or so we probably do? Kelty? It's almost a home game for them. Whatever, anyway, I don't see any mileage in working it out to the nearest tenner. The initial point was there's not a chance anybody's making £300k hiring a pitch out, even including cost savings. £100k + is just about arguable IF it's hired out pretty much exhaustively and there's demand for it. I don't think we're disagreeing on that (now). Edited September 17 by Skyline Drifter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeodhasXD Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said: Whatever, anyway, I don't see any mileage in working it out to the nearest tenner. The initial point was there's not a chance anybody's making £300k hiring a pitch out, even including cost savings. £100k + is just about arguable IF it's hired out pretty much exhaustively and there's demand for it. I don't think we're disagreeing on that (now). I wonder if the original 300k was over the life of the pitch. Would make much more sense. and Dunfermline were paying more than that I think but they were storing all kinds of kit here too and having the odd behind doors friendly. I'll say on the bookings - it was certainly fully booked the last time I checked. In our area the kids team seem to run the show in terms of astroturf bookings so we're stuck playing on grass. There's not availability despite the increase in astro pitches. Edited September 17 by LeodhasXD 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 Just now, LeodhasXD said: I wonder if the original 300k was over the life of the pitch. Would make much more sense. Possibly, if you don't include the cost savings. We'll get about 10 years from our pitch. I'd imagine Stenny, and presumably you, going by your reported usage, are more like 8 years? I suppose £300k over 8 years is feasible although if anything it's a bit low. I'd guess that it meant one year but was just massively exaggerated to prove a point. In Stenny's case it probably includes the income from their separate five a side pitches also. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeodhasXD Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 2 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said: Possibly, if you don't include the cost savings. We'll get about 10 years from our pitch. I'd imagine Stenny, and presumably you, going by your reported usage, are more like 8 years? I suppose £300k over 8 years is feasible although if anything it's a bit low. I'd guess that it meant one year but was just massively exaggerated to prove a point. In Stenny's case it probably includes the income from their separate five a side pitches also. Yeah I'd like to see it replaced sooner rather than later! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 1 hour ago, LeodhasXD said: I wonder if the original 300k was over the life of the pitch. Would make much more sense. and Dunfermline were paying more than that I think but they were storing all kinds of kit here too and having the odd behind doors friendly. I'll say on the bookings - it was certainly fully booked the last time I checked. In our area the kids team seem to run the show in terms of astroturf bookings so we're stuck playing on grass. There's not availability despite the increase in astro pitches. Dunfermline were paying more than 100k? What a shambles. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeodhasXD Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 2 hours ago, HoBNob said: Dunfermline were paying more than 100k? What a shambles. No more than the 15k for hiring a Stenhousemuir equivalent. You've not got that much money to splash around if you hadnt noticed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
printer Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 (edited) When Alloa first installed the artificial surface (c 15 years ago?) I had a conversation with a then director I knew well, who quoted me a figure of £70,000 for the annual financial benefit (#) of the pitch. Most of that number was costs savings from not having to hire pitches to train and play on. (ETA For all our teams.) (#) I assumed no account was taken of amortised cost. Edited September 17 by printer 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeWelshy007 Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 7 hours ago, LeodhasXD said: I'll concede @Skyline Drifter300k is optimistic after sitting down but prize money isn't. Alloa Ath - £116k SPFL prize money as estimated by @SPFLmediawatch on twitter. Stenhousemuir is estimated as just £89k after winning the fourth tier last year. I'll keep it as simple as possible through timeslots its used. Obviously for Alloa Athletic you're not going to get any income but you'd pay to have the same facility elsewhere. 4 days its fully booked from 6-9. £40 a third would give you over 48 weeks £69120. Dunfermline would have been in 4 days a week for 4 hours. They'd have got a healthy discount however I'd wager. I don't massively keep up with the youths and women due to time involved but estimate they're at home 24 times a year on Fridays - Sundays. Throw the use our changing facilities in it might be £300 instead of just £200 for the pitch. For the 4 teams - £28,800. There's kids youth teams in most Saturday mornings even before our first team games. We've got some welfare cup final on next Saturday while we are away, we had three girl's/womens cup finals last month. There's walking football on during the day three times a week and there's also some free football programme - I forget its name but I had a conversation with the guy the other week. I did weekly play on the Sunday nights before I started playing in a Sunday afternoon league. I'm not sure on the 5-a-sides because they used to be community club income. So what I've accounted for isn't necessarily exhaustive. I don't think ticket sales go that far even if you have you have 4x Dunfermline and Falkirk bringing 800 or so fans. 3rd in the 3rd tier of scotland £116k 6th place in the english championship and playoff win £100M no wonder we're part time 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
printer Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 13 hours ago, WeeWelshy007 said: 3rd in the 3rd tier of scotland £116k 6th place in the english championship and playoff win £100M no wonder we're part time I know which I prefer watching. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoganAAFC Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 (edited) Good to see the Wasps back on the telly. Edited September 18 by LoganAAFC 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevchenko Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 New episode of the podcast is up, starting with a huge development at the Recs. We also look at the Women's team progressing in the Scottish Cup and announcing a new shirt sponsor, before looking at the Men's draw with ICT and the the visit of Kelty this Saturday. https://waspsnest.buzzsprout.com 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeWelshy007 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 3 hours ago, LoganAAFC said: Good to see the Wasps back on the telly. Solid away ground too easiest away day for me too 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevchenko Posted Monday at 17:45 Share Posted Monday at 17:45 New episode of the pod is up, talking about the table toppers win over Kelty, the Women's team remaining unbeaten in the League Cup and a preview of the game versus Montrose. https://waspsnest.buzzsprout.com 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegetableman Posted Tuesday at 17:16 Share Posted Tuesday at 17:16 (edited) https://www.alloaathletic.co.uk/2024/09/24/tyrece-mcdonnell-joins/?fbclid=IwY2xjawFf00RleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHT4mTLJQiv61sUPxTL5qH07VzqoMchVr7dvB82JbepN0fgpvxk8KB0Spsw_aem_c0wGfdFhZdRI4-Qr8d9n5A First loan in the door . Edited Tuesday at 17:17 by Vegetableman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeodhasXD Posted Tuesday at 20:28 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:28 Tyrece scores the only goal in tonight's friendly vs Linlithgow Rose too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
printer Posted Tuesday at 20:34 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:34 Good luck, Tyrece, however you pronounce your name. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegetableman Posted Tuesday at 20:57 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:57 Donnelly O'donnel now McDonnell . totally confused come game day now... best of luck Tyrece ( who knows how to pronounce it ) ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Vojáček Posted Wednesday at 09:26 Share Posted Wednesday at 09:26 12 hours ago, Vegetableman said: Donnelly O'donnel now McDonnell . totally confused come game day now... best of luck Tyrece ( who knows how to pronounce it ) ? Tie-reece surely? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
printer Posted Wednesday at 15:19 Share Posted Wednesday at 15:19 5 hours ago, Jan Vojáček said: Tie-reece surely? Let's go with that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummo Posted Wednesday at 17:09 Share Posted Wednesday at 17:09 (edited) I would have thought Tih-ricky would have worked better for you, just sayin'. e.t.a. Actually thought this was an "exotic" import but having googled the name, I see that although he shares a name with a US College basketball player, he looks local. So Tie-reece it will be rather than any Eastern European style pronunciation. Edited Wednesday at 23:08 by Brummo gained in wisdom and insight 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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