Rangers v Scotlands Original Champions

[No8.]

Wow, utterly depressing.

What depresses me is that song is one of the Great British football songs and is copied by many clubs all over the country but we cant sing it. All we have to do is change one word but we cant even agree on that.

[No8.]

Have you told the club this?

I don't sit anywhere near that section so i have never seen the trouble. I am sure you can accept that i cant make a complaint on merely hearsay.

I have said before that if you have a complaint then make it to the police or stewards in that area and do not take no for an answer. If they refuse to take action then report them as well as the incident.

I read somewhere that a Dumbarton supporter said the police stood about doing nothing after they had complained. Later i read the police took action regards the 'celtic' supporters after a complaint was made. That seems a little odd to me and if true leaves me angered that we pay these people a great deal of money yet they are not doing the job they are being paid for. Seems they are happy to throw out a couple of 'dafties' but wont tackle the real problem.

At away games when i might be seated/standing next to these idiots i have said directly to them to quieten down...maybe not used those words exactly and i would have absolutely no problem in reporting them but tbh would rather deal with it myself.

Not sure i would go as far as to send away a strongly worded email. It should be reported at the time or not at all.

I know i was being a dick yesterday morning. I am just sick fed up of people coming on here saying they heard this or that...saw this or that and then tarring us all with the same brush. You ask if they complained to the police and 99 times out of a hundred they haven't.I know Tedi and have met KWB and Kincardine and they are all great guys and would be appalled at this behaviour.

[The Moonster]

I don't sit anywhere near that section so i have never seen the trouble. I am sure you can accept that i cant make a complaint on merely hearsay.

I have said before that if you have a complaint then make it to the police or stewards in that area and do not take no for an answer. If they refuse to take action then report them as well as the incident.

I read somewhere that a Dumbarton supporter said the police stood about doing nothing after they had complained. Later i read the police took action regards the 'celtic' supporters after a complaint was made. That seems a little odd to me and if true leaves me angered that we pay these people a great deal of money yet they are not doing the job they are being paid for. Seems they are happy to throw out a couple of 'dafties' but wont tackle the real problem.

At away games when i might be seated/standing next to these idiots i have said directly to them to quieten down...maybe not used those words exactly and i would have absolutely no problem in reporting them but tbh would rather deal with it myself.

Not sure i would go as far as to send away a strongly worded email. It should be reported at the time or not at all.

I know i was being a dick yesterday morning. I am just sick fed up of people coming on here saying they heard this or that...saw this or that and then tarring us all with the same brush. You ask if they complained to the police and 99 times out of a hundred they haven't.I know Tedi and have met KWB and Kincardine and they are all great guys and would be appalled at this behaviour.

I'm not doubting there are many Rangers fans that are appalled at behaviour like that, all the more reason for Sons fans to be baffled as to why it goes on. I'll admit, I didn't complain, I wasn't hit and I was really more interested in watching the game but I know son hawk who has said a complaint was made and I've no reason not to believe him.

You might well be sick of people coming on here and tarring you all with the same brush (something I have avoided) but you must realise that until your club clamp down on these fannies it's going to be a recurring theme and I'm afraid a few complaints from Dumbarton fans won't do as much as pressure from all the good Rangers fans you mention.

[No8.]

Both of us have quite clearly stated that if coins were indeed thrown then this is the work of animals, both of us have stated our wish that these animals are caught and banned, we have also both made clear that we are willing to take the word of those that say this did indeed happen.

It seems this is unacceptable, its obvious that the likes of Fifesons and Mhonkey are determined to out troll each other, you knows things are bad when the likes of jimmy show up to preach, this is the guy that wishes mass genocide of all Rangers fans remember.

I am not exactly sure what has happened to Monkey recently but he seems absolutely determined to pick an argument when there is not one there.

Sorry Monkey but i quite like you as a poster even if i find your fence sitting infuriating at times.

[No8.]

I'm not doubting there are many Rangers fans that are appalled at behaviour like that, all the more reason for Sons fans to be baffled as to why it goes on. I'll admit, I didn't complain, I wasn't hit and I was really more interested in watching the game but I know son hawk who has said a complaint was made and I've no reason not to believe him.

You might well be sick of people coming on here and tarring you all with the same brush (something I have avoided) but you must realise that until your club clamp down on these fannies it's going to be a recurring theme and I'm afraid a few complaints from Dumbarton fans won't do as much as pressure from all the good Rangers fans you mention.

I am not sure if i said it here or elsewhere but anyway...Rangers have banned 1000+ 'supporters' and many of those bans were life time bans. Rangers operate CCTV and spend a helluva lot policing that area in particular. My point is Rangers can do no more and it is up to people like you to report these incidents and to make sure the people the club are employing do their jobs. I accept it is also up to Rangers supporters who witness this kind of behaviour to either report them or at the very least confront these clowns. The problem in that area though is the people sitting there are all in that group.

Rangers also spend a fair bit sending our own stewards around the country to police our travelling support. I cant tell you the amount of times i have witnessed something out of order and the local police / Stewards have done nothing but our own stewards (who we are paying) have moved in and got the offenders put out the ground or in some cases arrested.

[The Moonster]

Fair enough, the impression many of you gave on here was quite the opposite. I hope for a better experience next time.

[AberdeenBud]

My point is Rangers can do no more

Rubbish.

Clear CCTV alongside plentiful supply of stewards in the area and anyone filmed/seen throwing objects into the away fans is banned.

Simple, but no doubt costly in more ways than one.

[No8.]

Rubbish.

Clear CCTV alongside plentiful supply of stewards in the area and anyone filmed/seen throwing objects into the away fans is banned.

Simple, but no doubt costly in more ways than one.

You are jumping in here and not thinking...Rangers employ people to steward that area and anybody who has attended a game there knows the majority of stewards / police are in that area. Rangers employ these people to monitor the CCTV and to act on what they see.

Rangers have banned upwards of 1000+ in recent years. Some of the bans have been life time bans. I know a lad that sits next to me who was banned for life.

My point all along has been a simple one. Any supporter who sees anything out of order should report it to the police / stewards. I have read the police refused to take any action...i find that difficult to believe because if i was in that position i would insist they took action as i did last season at East End Park.

ETA .... Regarding your snide comment about cost. Did you just miss or choose to ignore the bit where i said Rangers pay their own stewards to police our away fans at other grounds and 9 times out of 10 it is the stewards Rangers pay that actually do anything

[The Moonster]

From what I've read, I don't think the police refused to take action, more that them wading into the 200-300 bodies and trying to identify people wouldn't help matters. If they've said that they will be checking CCTV and banning these folk then I'm fine with that.

[AberdeenBud]

If all that's true then no doubt there will be multiple bans announced by the club soon.

Strange how it keeps happening if all these people have been banned.

Fair play if your own stewards are attempting to police the away support, I know Celtc do something similar, but it's pretty ineffectual in my experience(we even had a saints fan ejected from SMP on their say so last season),but this particular problem seems to be affecting the home games, the cost I was alluding to was banning season ticket holders when numbers are down.

[youngsy]

For anyone who seems to be doubting the word 'categorically', I can confirm one million, squibillion percent that coins were thrown from the Rangers fans into the Dumbarton end. I would love nothing more than to sit here and say "I was in the Dumbarton end and that's absolute nonsense, our fans are nowhere near as bad as people say", yet, unfortunately I was on the receiving end due to being in the Dumbarton end in plain clothes.

The coins were thrown and the the vile filth was shouted. That's just simply a fact. One of my friends recently said that I'd become a bit of an 'apologist' Rangers fan and I hadn't really thought of that before. I don't mean to be and I don't want to be. Rangers have given me so much to be proud of over the years and brought me excitement that no other club ever has... I'm glad to be a Rangers supporter. I just wish that the vile, utterly digusting fucking reprobates that support our team would f**k off.

I'll never be able to support another team because I chose Rangers at 5 years old and for the last 20-odd years they have been my team; I should never have to apologise for it either. But standing in the Dumbarton end and knowing that the people there are good folks and witnessing the absolute scourge of Glasgow throw both vile comments and vile missiles at them I was severely dissapointed and embarrassed. I was asked before the game whether I would be able to control myself in the game and not cheer on Rangers and I actually doubted myself a bit as I'd drank a fair few pints. Once I realised the complete pile of shite on our right hand side I was more embarrassed to be associated with them than anything.

Disappointing afternoon. And any Rangers fans reading this - Tedi, No8, bennet, youngsy - just trust me, the coins were thrown and they were thrown by utter scumbags. Instead of ignoring it and pretending it didn't happen let's try and focus on eradicating it.

Brad, as i already stated to you in a previous post i wasn't at the game so i can't really comment but as i said to you, as a Rangers fan, instead of stating you "can't be arsed as you're not that interested", your words, why don't you put a complaint to the club and the police, whether you are of the opinion that nothing will be done isn't the issue, they are duty bound to look at your complaint and give you the findings, if you aren't satisfied then you can take it further. If a complaint such as that helps rid the support of this type then something has been done. The cub, over the last few years have given life bans out to over 1,000 fans for such behaviour so instead of just stating this happened put the complaint in and see where it goes.

[No8.]

If all that's true then no doubt there will be multiple bans announced by the club soon.

Strange how it keeps happening if all these people have been banned.

Fair play if your own stewards are attempting to police the away support, I know Celtc do something similar, but it's pretty ineffectual in my experience(we even had a saints fan ejected from SMP on their say so last season),but this particular problem seems to be affecting the home games, the cost I was alluding to was banning season ticket holders when numbers are down.

If the St Mirren fan was seen doing something then he should be thrown out. They are there to steward the crowd no matter what colours you are wearing. I take it they need permission from St Mirren to be there even though it is celtic footing the bill. What was he thrown out for

[No8.]

Acceptable Conduct

AS Rangers fans we have so much to be proud of; our rich history as one of Europe's leading sporting institutions, the standards that the Club has set from its very beginning and the passionate commitment of our supporters.

Pride is what being a Rangers fan is all about.

Rangers is a friendly club open to all and we want everyone to feel welcome when they come to Ibrox. We also like to be welcomed as true football supporters when we travel away from home.

In July 2007 the Club and supporters joined together to launch Follow With Pride, a campaign which promotes sporting behaviour at matches and in the community.

The SFA and SPL also introduced new regulations with regard to supporter behaviour or what is termed 'Unacceptable Conduct' at Ibrox and away games, full details below…..

UNACCEPTABLE CONDUCT IS CONDUCT WHICH IS VIOLENT OR DISORDERLY

Violent conduct includes: Any actual, attempted or threatened physical violence against any person, or intentional damage to property.

Disorderly conduct includes: Conduct which stirs up or sustains, or is likely or is designed to stir up or sustain, hatred or ill will against or towards individuals or groups of people because of:

• Gender
• Colour, race, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin
• Membership or presumed membership, of a religious group or of a social or cultural group with perceived religious affiliation
• Sexual orientation
• Transgender identity
• Disability
• Using threatening, abusive or insulting words or conduct
• Displaying writing or any other thing which is threatening, abusive or insulting

A DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF UNACCEPTABLE CONDUCT IS DETAILED BELOW

A person present at or in the immediate environs of an Official Match engages in Unacceptable Conduct where their conduct is violent and/or disorderly.

Conduct is violent where there is (i) actual, attempted or threatened physical violence against a person or persons; or (ii) intentional damage to property.

Disorderly conduct includes (i) conduct which stirs up or sustains or is likely or designed to stir up or sustain, hatred or ill will against or towards a group of persons based on their membership or presumed membership of a group defined by reference to a category mentioned below or against an individual who is or is presumed to be a member of such group; (ii) using threatening, abusive or insulting words or conduct; or (iii) displaying any writing or other thing which is threatening, abusive or insulting.

Presumed means presumed by the person or persons engaged in the conduct.

The categories referred to above are:-

• Female or male gender;
• Colour, race, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin;
• Membership of a religious group or of a social or cultural group with a perceived religious affiliation;
• Sexual orientation;
• Transgender identity and disability.

Religious group means a group of persons defined by reference to their religious belief or lack of religious belief, membership of or adherence to a church or religious organisation, support for the culture and traditions of a church or religious organisation and/or participation in activities associated with such a culture or such traditions.

Transgender identity means any one or more of transvestism, transsexualism, inter-sexuality or change of gender.

Disability means physical or mental impairment of any kind.

These regulations, which apply at all domestic matches, mean that 'unacceptable conduct' by supporters, will lead to clubs being penalised.

If you hear someone behaving in an inappropriate manner, putting the Club at risk, report them anonymously or otherwise.

You can write in confidence to Follow With Pride, Ibrox Stadium, Glasgow, G51 2XD or telephone the incident hotline on 0871 702 1972^.

Fans who do behave in an inappropriate manner, bringing the Club into disrepute, will face limited or lifetime bans, loss of their season ticket, or arrest by the Police.

Bans will apply to supporters clubs as well as individuals.

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From the official site. There is a number there to phone in confidence and an address to write to if you wish to report any incident or the general behaviour

[No8.]

If all that's true then no doubt there will be multiple bans announced by the club soon.

Only if those guilty of anything are caught on camera. You might remember that celtic tried to ban flags from certain areas of the ground..One of the reasons for this is they are fly wee b*****ds and hide behind these flags before throwing anything.

Tedi you will remember the idiot who threw the flare at EEP last game of the season...No flag there and wearing a bright white Daz advert T shirt. Lifted a couple of minutes later and will be banned for life.

[Jimmy85]

Staggering that apparently there's been well over a 1000 life time bans handed out yet the problem doesn't even appear to be decreasing.

[AberdeenBud]

If the St Mirren fan was seen doing something then he should be thrown out. They are there to steward the crowd no matter what colours you are wearing. I take it they need permission from St Mirren to be there even though it is celtic footing the bill. What was he thrown out for

Shouting "free Palestine" at Kayal.

Stupid fucker deserved it tbh.

Fair enough if as Tedi says these stewards are having a positive effect at away games, but this particular problem seems to be happening at home games judging by the reports of several different teams fans. Obviously it's fitba and there's always going to be bit of spice and a few idiots around the sections with away fans but some of this stuff seems to be way OTT and it sounds like Rangers need a new strategy for dealing with it and it seems Police Scotland agree.

[No8.]

Something more drastic required?

I think you suggested a solution before?

How many Dunfermline posters condemned the actions of their supporters after the first game at EEP last season?

[bennett]

If all that's true then no doubt there will be multiple bans announced by the club soon.

Strange how it keeps happening if all these people have been banned.

Fair play if your own stewards are attempting to police the away support, I know Celtc do something similar, but it's pretty ineffectual in my experience(we even had a saints fan ejected from SMP on their say so last season),but this particular problem seems to be affecting the home games, the cost I was alluding to was banning season ticket holders when numbers are down.

I'm sure i remember reading an article about a young st Mirren fan who had been pointed out by celtic fans and ejected by stewards, it turned out he was a celtic youth player.

[No8.]

From what i have heard Rangers are aware of the incidents from Saturday and are looking into it. Hopefully a few more of the wee arseholes will be getting banned by the club. These kind of supporters we can well do without.

Hopefully this goes someway to shutting up those who have claimed the club do nothing when these incidents are reported. I am sick of saying this but the club cannot do something about it unless they are made aware of it so instead of coming on here and complaining about it contact your own club , as the Dumbarton supporters have done , or contact Rangers directly.

I am sure i speak for most Rangers posters when i say we are as sick of these wee knobs as you are.

[youngsy]

From what i have heard Rangers are aware of the incidents from Saturday and are looking into it. Hopefully a few more of the wee arseholes will be getting banned by the club. These kind of supporters we can well do without.

Hopefully this goes someway to shutting up those who have claimed the club do nothing when these incidents are reported. I am sick of saying this but the club cannot do something about it unless they are made aware of it so instead of coming on here and complaining about it contact your own club , as the Dumbarton supporters have done , or contact Rangers directly.

I am sure i speak for most Rangers posters when i say we are as sick of these wee knobs as you are.

Good, hope the club kicks them out because tbh most of the time they do my nut in with this crap, just as the GB do over the other side of the city, no time for these politics and abuse at games nowadays, it's a game to be enjoyed by all, not a political rallying point.