Supras Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Aye, a bit frightening how bare the cupboard is in a couple of positions for a major footballing nation. Aye, I rate Clyne as well, you'd think he was would have been in the squad after a strong start to the season. England aren't a major footballing nation, they are utterly gash. Although credit on their magnificent result tonight, punching well above their weight to beat a much better side. Their best result in years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Zlatan being Zlatan. https://vine.co/v/Oze6nwi5pDe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heedthebaa Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 That's how you go away from home and win a qualifier ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 England aren't a major footballing nation, they are utterly gash. Although credit on their magnificent result tonight, punching well above their weight to beat a much better side. Their best result in years. Not getting into a tedious argument with you about it, but regardless of their utterly abject international record England are still a major football nation imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supras Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Not getting into a tedious argument with you about it, but regardless of their utterly abject international record England are still a major football nation imo. On what basis? Certainly not success, it seems. Failure maybe? They're pretty major in that. The worlds best actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 On what basis? Certainly not success, it seems. Failure maybe? They're pretty major in that. The worlds best actually. History, infrastructure, club game, fanbase, etc. Just depends if take these aspects of a nation into account I suppose. Granted, it's pretty much everything apart from actual success on the pitch in the international arena, save a few freak performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supras Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 History, infrastructure, club game, fanbase, etc. Just depends if take these aspects of a nation into account I suppose. Granted, it's pretty much everything apart from actual success on the pitch in the international arena, save a few freak performances. History, what history? If England are a major footballing power based on their influence early in the game then, clearly, Scotland are too. Our proportional fanbase, infrastructure and club game would also very much put us in this category. So if you are considering England to be a major footballing power on these metrics, Scotland has an even greater claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarley Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Ukraine goalkeeper just scored to draw level but Craig Thomson pulled it back for a free kick.Does he have a Russian granny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 One of P&B's favourite Sassenach punching bags getting a double. Well done, Danny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Zlatan being Zlatan. https://vine.co/v/Oze6nwi5pDe Boy looks terrified Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 One of P&B's favourite Sassenach punching bags getting a double. Well done, Danny. Played really well - he's a very good footballer. Sterling was MoM for me - excellent performance again, and Joe Hart played really well too. Very solid. Thought England were the better side overall - bit disappointed in what Switzerland had to offer. Fairly academic anyway, as both will comfortably qualify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kris. Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 A couple of decent looking ties tonight, but probably the weakest line-up of the 3 days so far. Andorra v Wales Kazakhstan v Latvia (5pm) Czech Republic v Netherlands Iceland v Turkey Bosnia v Cyprus Azerbaijan v Bulgaria (5pm) Croatia v Malta Norway v Italy All games except Czech Republic v Netherlands are on Sky Sports across a couple of channels and the red button, with the Czech game being on ITV4. Fancy Wales to see off Andorra fairly comfortably, particularly with Bale starting. Also going for wins for the Netherlands, Turkey, Italy, Croatia and Bosnia, with draws in the other two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supras Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 The long two years of England gradually thinking they are an excellent footballing side. It makes the crash even funnier. Nothing will ever change, their arrogance is too deeply rooted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 The long two years of England gradually thinking they are an excellent footballing side. It makes the crash even funnier. Nothing will ever change, their arrogance is too deeply rooted. Yeah, don't let the facts get in the way of your agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supras Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Yeah, don't let the facts get in the way of your agenda. What facts? Be specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtie23 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 f**k sake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 What facts? Be specific. England's media and fans are very accepting of their current status. They are in a very poor qualification campaign and are perfectly well aware of their shortcomings at international level, wins over mid to low level European sides is not going to change that. Still, as I said, your anti-English agenda is a tired tired act. By all means, carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heedthebaa Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Nothing will ever change, their arrogance is too deeply rooted.as opposed to the Scotch stance of "aye wa shite, but at least we ken oor shite" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supras Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 England's media and fans are very accepting of their current status. They are in a very poor qualification campaign and are perfectly well aware of their shortcomings at international level, wins over mid to low level European sides is not going to change that. Still, as I said, your anti-English agenda is a tired tired act. By all means, carry on. These aren't facts, and it's absolutely not specific. Why have you failed on the two basic metrics of my question? Now provide some evidence or quietly slink away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 These aren't facts, and it's absolutely not specific. Why have you failed on the two basic metrics of my question? Now provide some evidence or quietly slink away. You have claimed that "nothing ever changes". This is quite clearly a lie. Confidence in the English team is at a perhaps record low. You actually contradict your own point (because you are too thick to understand) in the Roy Hodgson thread, where you are baffled at the easy time Hodgson is getting. Hodgson is getting an easy time because English expectations of their team and faith in their team's abilities are very low. England weren't expected to do mcuh at all in Brazil because English fans know their team isn't very good. If this "arrogance is too deep rooted" it wouldn't be the case. What you (again) outline is your quite conceerning hatred for all things English in relation to football. Quite why you have this deep-seated hatred, who knows? Here endeth yet another lesson. Thanks for playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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