effeffsee_the2nd Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Early Thatcher was OK at the time [same as early Blair] no alternative to Michael Foot or latter day Thatcher was there. It was only when they started believing what the press were writing about them that it all went pear shaped. what did the press say about them? im too young to mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 How about during the 80s? I was at Primary for most of the 80's, so very little. You need to remember though, I'm the soft /wet right wing SNP guy here, although I do believe in Universalism. I'm not anti-capitalist ( as a partner in a large professional services firm, you wouldn't expect me to be), but in a kind of post war consensus way. Swinneyesque if you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecto Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Too true, the SNP voted against Labour in the no confidence motion because of their betrayal and deceit in the devolution referendum. The DUP, DUUP and the Liberals also voted against Labour much to the annoyance of the drooling morons who want to taint the SNP with any kind of association with Thatcher. it not so much being an association with Thatcher, it is more the fact disaffected Scottish Tories, who seen a vote for the Tories a waste, but could never vote Labour, so the SNP often picked up those votes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wirez Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 it not so much being an association with Thatcher, it is more the fact disaffected Scottish Tories, who seen a vote for the Tories a waste, but could never vote Labour, so the SNP often picked up those votes A polar opposite of what is happening now of course. Disaffected Labour voters are giving their support to the SNP in huge numbers and Labour look like they will pick up the odd Tory vote by having a right wing fella like Murphy in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 it not so much being an association with Thatcher, it is more the fact disaffected Scottish Tories, who seen a vote for the Tories a waste, but could never vote Labour, so the SNP often picked up those votes How about my Gran, who had voted Unionist or Conservative all her life? In her case, Thatcher made a speech explaining why she was making a cold-weather payment to pensioners, but not in Scotland because "they were used to it" She got up, walked round to Brothock Bridge & joined the SNP that afternoon. She was a card carrying member until her death. Is that the sort of disaffected Tory you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 How about my Gran, who had voted Unionist or Conservative all her life? In her case, Thatcher made a speech explaining why she was making a cold-weather payment to pensioners, but not in Scotland because "they were used to it" She got up, walked round to Brothock Bridge & joined the SNP that afternoon. She was a card carrying member until her death. Is that the sort of disaffected Tory you mean? Its a shame to take advantage of senile old folk like that really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Its a shame to take advantage of senile old folk like that really. Well said grandad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 It's funny when Reynard/HB try to portray the SNP as similar to the Tories in the vain hope any of us give a f**k. Reminds me when Oldco fans used to call us Dandies 'Ahbergreen' We just laughed and got on with the business of hating two cheeks of the same arse Which is exactly what the Tories and Labour are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodjesSixteenIncher Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 The old firm simile stands up well. Labour folk warning about the Tories chances of winning a General Election is exactly like the "so as a Hibby you'll be wanting us to win then eh" conversations I had over and over again with Celtic fans when I stayed in Glasgow. Nah pal, I really couldn't give a f**k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Which is exactly what the Tories and Labour are And the SNP of course. A three cheek arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassiveFanDan Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Early Thatcher was OK at the time... Except that during her first two years as PM, Scotland lost a fifth of it's entire workforce to the dole queue as a direct result of her policies. It wasn't the SNP who put her in power though (they only had 11 votes out of 650-ish in the No-Confidence ballot) it was the electorate in England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Except that during her first two years as PM, Scotland lost a fifth of it's entire workforce to the dole queue as a direct result of her policies. It wasn't the SNP who put her in power though (they only had 11 votes out of 650-ish in the No-Confidence ballot) it was the electorate in England. It was the electorate in Britain, I think you'll find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Except that during her first two years as PM, Scotland lost a fifth of it's entire workforce to the dole queue as a direct result of her policies. It wasn't the SNP who put her in power though (they only had 11 votes out of 650-ish in the No-Confidence ballot) it was the electorate in England. The tories got over 30% of the vote in 79 in Scotland. And 22 seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 And over 900k of Scots voters gave them a whirl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassiveFanDan Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 It was the electorate in Britain, I think you'll find. Same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 In fact right through her reign as PM she utterly trounced the nationalist vote up here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 ImageUploadedByPie & Bovril1420899207.203038.jpg No policies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 No policies? Exactly what I thought. My guess is they're only appealing to the hardcore perthshire Tories, which is hardly going to buy them votes these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecto Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 How about my Gran, who had voted Unionist or Conservative all her life? In her case, Thatcher made a speech explaining why she was making a cold-weather payment to pensioners, but not in Scotland because "they were used to it" She got up, walked round to Brothock Bridge & joined the SNP that afternoon. She was a card carrying member until her death. Is that the sort of disaffected Tory you mean? No, but a nice story all the same, glad you felt the need to share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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