invergowrie arab Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I speak to people in England a lot, and am an Englishman myself. The concern is the potential bias a regional party could have on a UK level and how it benefits people in the UK as a whole. Why would anyone outside Scotland want a party who first and foremost will try to get the best deal for Scotland? This is not "seethe". For many their involvement at a UK level is not compatible with what UK politics should be about. And I can sympathise with that. What should UK politics be about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I speak to people in England a lot, and am an Englishman myself. The concern is the potential bias a regional party could have on a UK level and how it benefits people in the UK as a whole. Why would anyone outside Scotland want a party who first and foremost will try to get the best deal for Scotland? This is not "seethe". For many their involvement at a UK level is not compatible with what UK politics should be about. And I can sympathise with that. Big fuckin deal, the Tories and UKIP are English nationalists. You elect MP's to represent you, that's why they're called representatives, what's wrong with Scotland electing representatives that will represent Scotland? The hysteria in England that for the first time in 300 years Scotland will actually have a voice in its own government is staggering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 What should UK politics be about? Obviously not what's best for Scotland. Best leave the UK then eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I speak to people in England a lot, and am an Englishman myself. The concern is the potential bias a regional party could have on a UK level and how it benefits people in the UK as a whole. Why would anyone outside Scotland want a party who first and foremost will try to get the best deal for Scotland? This is not "seethe". For many their involvement at a UK level is not compatible with what UK politics should be about. And I can sympathise with that. The way westminster is set up, this is democracy. Deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I speak to people in England a lot, and am an Englishman myself. The concern is the potential bias a regional party could have on a UK level and how it benefits people in the UK as a whole. Why would anyone outside Scotland want a party who first and foremost will try to get the best deal for Scotland? This is not "seethe". For many their involvement at a UK level is not compatible with what UK politics should be about. And I can sympathise with that. I guess its about the fact that England does not have a regional party. Why do you think that is? The answer of course is that the Tory party is essentially an (arguably southern) English party. There is so much bias in favour of England (which is natural, of course) that they don't need specific representation. The seethe is understandable - but incredibly ironic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepundit Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 The way westminster is set up, this is democracy. Deal with it. You're absolutely correct. There's nothing I can do, other than tactically vote for Labour and hope for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 You're absolutely correct. There's nothing I can do, other than tactically vote for Labour and hope for the best. Hope Scotland continues to be disenfranchised you mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Why oh why did people vote no. The absolute hypocrisy of all this after being 'love bombed' last year. Mon the English Independence. Atleast they wouldn't bottle it its got nothing to do with Scotland, its about the SNP. Its a nifty sleight of hand the yessers have been adopting since the referendum, bringing up anti SNP viewpoints in the UK media as suggesting the ruk hates Scotland when in reality its a few newspapers hate the snp . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I can sympathise with people in other parts of the UK that are inclined to want the SNP nowhere near government. It's a UK election and the SNP are blatantly only in it for one country within the UK so those in other parts of the UK probably don't want a party in government that has no regard for their personal interests. Having said that I think there will be others in rUK that will be absolutely delighted to see the SNP playing a minor role in government because it will be a chance to get some genuine centre-left policies through the house. With a small but vocal portion of the electorate in other parts of the UK saying they wish they could vote SNP, someone is going to try and claim that ground. It might come in the form of a Labour lurch to the left, but I can't see it because looking at the bigger picture if Labour went too far to the Left and Boris Johnson was appointed Tory leader then the 2020 election would be a slam dunk Conservative majority. What I think is more likely is we see a party popping up that supports English devolution (if not independence) from a centre-left economic standpoint and has formal ties to the SNP and Plaid Cymru. UKIP are a spent force and the English Democrats are too racist to work with the SNP but if a new centre-left English National Party was formed to sit alongside the SNP and Plaid then I think they could capture a lot of voters that feel disillusioned with new Labour in a way that the Greens and Lib Dems have been unable to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Shocking that a lot of people aren't happy at the prospect of a UK government being propped up by a party that doesn't want to be part of the UK. It isn't exactly going to reassure people that they are the best choice for Britain, is it? At any rate, that particular line seems to have failed the Tories. They have put far too much emphasis on a Lab/SNP pact (which might not even happen) and have run a campaign that is on the whole far too negative. When Ed Milliband is PM (with or without any deals), they will only have themselves to blame. It'll end in a lot of infighting over Europe and between the two party factions whilst ignoring the real reasons they lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I can sympathise with people in other parts of the UK that are inclined to want the SNP nowhere near government. It's a UK election and the SNP are blatantly only in it for one country within the UK so those in other parts of the UK probably don't want a party in government that has no regard for their personal interests. Having said that I think there will be others in rUK that will be absolutely delighted to see the SNP playing a minor role in government because it will be a chance to get some genuine centre-left policies through the house. With a small but vocal portion of the electorate in other parts of the UK saying they wish they could vote SNP, someone is going to try and claim that ground. It might come in the form of a Labour lurch to the left, but I can't see it because looking at the bigger picture if Labour went too far to the Left and Boris Johnson was appointed Tory leader then the 2020 election would be a slam dunk Conservative majority. What I think is more likely is we see a party popping up that supports English devolution (if not independence) from a centre-left economic standpoint and has formal ties to the SNP and Plaid Cymru. UKIP are a spent force and the English Democrats are too racist to work with the SNP but if a new centre-left English National Party was formed to sit alongside the SNP and Plaid then I think they could capture a lot of voters that feel disillusioned with new Labour in a way that the Greens and Lib Dems have been unable to. There is little to no real support for English devolution, let alone independence. Where it does exist, it isn't coming from the left. Even the prospect of devolution seems to terrify the left here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 its got nothing to do with Scotland, its about the SNP. Its a nifty sleight of hand the yessers have been adopting since the referendum, bringing up anti SNP viewpoints in the UK media as suggesting the ruk hates Scotland when in reality its a few newspapers hate the snp . Absolute shite, its anti-Scottish rhetoric people are pointing out not anti-SNP, no voters like you are just that craven and servile you will defend and deny it. Shocking that a lot of people aren't happy at the prospect of a UK government being propped up by a party that doesn't want to be part of the UK. It isn't exactly going to reassure people that they are the best choice for Britain, is it? At any rate, that particular line seems to have failed the Tories. They have put far too much emphasis on a Lab/SNP pact (which might not even happen) and have run a campaign that is on the whole far too negative. When Ed Milliband is PM (with or without any deals), they will only have themselves to blame. It'll end in a lot of infighting over Europe and between the two party factions whilst ignoring the real reasons they lost. Who gives a f**k? They're not supposed to be the best choice for Britain, they are elected by Scotland to represent their individual constituencies and that they will do. The UK wanted us, now they have us , they can't moan when we do what we were told to do and exercise our strong voice at Westminster. We have had governments for hundreds of years that didn't give a shit about us, now a small part of one goverment will prioritise Scotland, its really not the big drama that's being made out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 RedRob, nobody would accuse you of being raging because they disagree with you. They'd accuse you of being raging because every single one of your many posts across this entire forum has been filled with tear stained shite. You don't get any benefit of the doubt because you lost that a long time ago. Tear stained Shite? No mate, I'm happy with things the way they are! Work like F*ck, long hours, to keep things ticking over, hard sometimes, there's 22 lads with families who rely on our every job and whether we make any money on it to secure them their next month's work, Can't sleep sometimes just thinking about it. Good last 3 months. Gonna enjoy some Golf!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForzaDundee Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I live in England. People are sound but turn into absolute whompercunts whenever the conversation turns to politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I live in England. People are sound but turn into absolute whompercunts whenever the conversation turns to politics. Who are you planning to vote for if you don't mind me asking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarusQPFC Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Watching the Andrew Marr show, seeing Cameron seethe is fucking glorious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForzaDundee Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Who are you planning to vote for if you don't mind me asking? Living in England but was registered in Dundee until yesterday. Switched to Edinburgh South and applied for a postal vote last week. Dundee will be 60% SNP so figured my vote is worth more in Edinburgh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Living in England but was registered in Dundee until yesterday. Switched to Edinburgh South and applied for a postal vote last week. Dundee will be 60% SNP so figured my vote is worth more in Edinburgh. Wait, what? How is that possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Who gives a f**k? They're not supposed to be the best choice for Britain, they are elected by Scotland to represent their individual constituencies and that they will do. The UK wanted us, now they have us , they can't moan when we do what we were told to do and exercise our strong voice at Westminster. We have had governments for hundreds of years that didn't give a shit about us, now a small part of one goverment will prioritise Scotland, its really not the big drama that's being made out. Well, yes. people can vote for whoever the hell they want. Anyone raging about that is a moron. There is a difference between that and being unhappy about the prospect of the SNP in government. They want to leave the UK, so aren't exactly going to inspire confidence in a lot of people as the best to run it. People are perfectly entitled to be concerned about that, just as they may be concerned about a Tory government etc for different reasons. The Tories have embarrassed themselves over the SNP, however. It may actually end up costing them the election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForzaDundee Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Wait, what? How is that possible? Parents house in Dundee. Renting a flat in Edinburgh but currently sub-letting to someone else while I rent in Liverpool for a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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