It's all kicking off in Canada

[Binos]

11 minutes ago, VanCityHibee said:

This has nothing to do with getting land back mate. There are hundreds of unsettled law suits regarding land settlement in BC, but on the whole they do have full control of their lands here and this is not about that at all.

This is about accountability , first nations peoples want answers and so do most right minded Canadians . They also want proper investigations about the mass graves that they have known about but said f**k all about They want DNA testing to identify these children and how they died. Its raw as f**k right now, many folk don't think there is enough done by the government to investigate and even take down monuments of people responsible for the residential school system.

The Federal and Provincial governments have previous when dealing ( or not ) with First Nations sensitive issues   ie fucking nothing or dragging heels.

Google the Highway of Tears , at least 40 indigenous women went missing on an isolated highway way up north over a period of years, also Robert Picktons pig farm murders ....clear systemic racism.

I spent time in vancouver and stayed with family who were foster parents 

All of the kids were of native ethnicity and all from alcoholic parents on reserves

I realised they were a completely down trodden hopeless class of people 

Can't think of a single famous,  sportsstar, wealthy business native person 

In Canada they make up something like 3-5% population but 20% of prison inmates 

But what can be done,  give their country back,  impossible 

[Detournement]

16 minutes ago, VanCityHibee said:

This has nothing to do with getting land back mate. There are hundreds of unsettled law suits regarding land settlement in BC, but on the whole they do have full control of their lands here and this is not about that at all.

This is about accountability , first nations peoples want answers and so do most right minded Canadians . They also want proper investigations about the mass graves that they have known about but said f**k all about They want DNA testing to identify these children and how they died. Its raw as f**k right now, many folk don't think there is enough done by the government to investigate and even take down monuments of people responsible for the residential school system.

The Federal and Provincial governments have previous when dealing ( or not ) with First Nations sensitive issues   ie fucking nothing or dragging heels.

Google the Highway of Tears , at least 40 indigenous women went missing on an isolated highway way up north over a period of years, also Robert Picktons pig farm murders ....clear systemic racism.

Seeing Trudeau demanding an apology from the Pope was sickening. Obviously the Catholic Church is completely mired in this and is getting a tiny bit of the retribution it deserves paid to it in arson but the Canadian government are the ones ultimately responsible.

 

[Binos]

4 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Seeing Trudeau demanding an apology from the Pope was sickening. Obviously the Catholic Church is completely mired in this and is getting a tiny bit of the retribution it deserves paid to it in arson but the Canadian government are the ones ultimately responsible.

 

Not the current incumbents though 

Did this not occur decades ago

[Detournement]

Just now, Binos said:

Not the current incumbents though 

Did this not occur decades ago

Trudeau's father was PM for the entire 70s. There is a permanent ruling class in Canada as there is here. 

Power and wealth travels through generations. 

[BlueBear]

Investigations and cover ups been going for decades and the British government complicit in it. 

The indigenous Canada  aborigines along with elsewhere in Empire were regarded as savages and no better than shit on shoes. 

No love for the papacy, but Trudeau asking the Pope to go to Canada and apologise face to face is a bit rich when his Da covered much of this shit up along with his predecessors. 

TBF little different from here on the survivor stories from Nazareth House when plod and COPS just looked the other way as the nuns and priests committed all manners of abuse and murder. Yet to hear of one conviction. Ah but they're too auld, right?! 

These so called holy institutions literally get away with murder and that's down to government. Can't be losing faith in the faith right?! 

 

[Binos]

10 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Trudeau's father was PM for the entire 70s. There is a permanent ruling class in Canada as there is here. 

Power and wealth travels through generations. 

Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin

 

Bit out there but get the point 

I would rather see something in earnest done for native peoples going forwards rather than Canadas version of virtue signalling 

creating sustainable long term work might be a start 

My info is 20 years out of date since I spent time thre, maybe this is already happening 

[Binos]

12 minutes ago, BlueBear said:

Investigations and cover ups been going for decades and the British government complicit in it. 

The indigenous Canada  aborigines along with elsewhere in Empire were regarded as savages and no better than shit on shoes. 

No love for the papacy, but Trudeau asking the Pope to go to Canada and apologise face to face is a bit rich when his Da covered much of this shit up along with his predecessors. 

TBF little different from here on the survivor stories from Nazareth House when plod and COPS just looked the other way as the nuns and priests committed all manners of abuse and murder. Yet to hear of one conviction. Ah but they're too auld, right?! 

These so called holy institutions literally get away with murder and that's down to government. Can't be losing faith in the faith right?! 

 

Apologies,  this and that, it's all bollocks

Do something for these people,  raise their station up, which shouldn't be hard as they are still shit on the shoe, or were 20 years back unless this has changed

[BlueBear]

8 minutes ago, Binos said:

Apologies,  this and that, it's all bollocks

Do something for these people,  raise their station up, which shouldn't be hard as they are still shit on the shoe, or were 20 years back unless this has changed

Child abuse, child trafficking and so on, are the most heinous of crimes and c***s who perp it need skinned alive. 

It transcends, race, religion colour and so on, yet the inertia in prosecuting these crimes is a crime in itself. 

We even had Blojo brushing an investigation aside into historical abuse as a waste of public money. It appears the protection of paedophiles is rampant the world over, the Catholic Church worst of it, in what I suppose is the protection of the faiths name. 

There is also the possible involvement of senior public figures who also appear to be a protected species and so it goes on. 

So it's plenty of the rhetoric of empathy and once in a while we get some down the food chain guy sacrificed like plod are doing their job, not! 

I just find it strange and rather sinister that these heinous crimes are not a priority for the justice system. There are many a guilty c**t out there a d plod know who they are, but that's where it ends. 

The stories on the survivors of Nazereth House website are as horrendous as they are heartbraking. 

I suspect the Canadian government as before, want all this shit to remain buried and the details of the horrors encountered never to be voiced. 

 

 

[Torpar]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-city-council-consultation-new-name-dundas-street-1.6103260

$6 million to eradicate some auld Scottish boy from history, technically the street is named after the town of Dundas which was named after Henry Dundas, no word if they plan to change their name though. 

Edited July 15, 2021 by Torpar

[Zen Archer (Raconteur)]

The Inquiry - Why did so many indigenous children die in Canada’s residential schools? - BBC Sounds

[Binos]

1 hour ago, Torpar said:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-city-council-consultation-new-name-dundas-street-1.6103260

$6 million to eradicate some auld Scottish boy from history, technically the street is named after the town of Dundas which was named after Henry Dundas, no word if they plan to change their name though. 

Mayor John Tory should really be changing his name as well 

[Torpar]

30 minutes ago, Zen Archer (Raconteur) said:

The Inquiry - Why did so many indigenous children die in Canada’s residential schools? - BBC Sounds

Massive racism is the simple answer, thanks in part to Glasgow's own John A MacDonald

27 minutes ago, Binos said:

Mayor John Tory should really be changing his name as well 

It's a great name for Tory, bit of bore though, doubt he has ever even smoked crack

Edited July 15, 2021 by Torpar

[Binos]

4 minutes ago, Torpar said:

Massive racism is the simple answer, thanks to Glasgow's own John A MacDonald

It's a great name for Tory, bit of bore though, doubt he has ever even smoked crack

He's probably smoked cracked whilst wearing suspenders

[Binos]

6 minutes ago, Torpar said:

Massive racism is the simple answer, thanks to Glasgow's own John A MacDonald

It's a great name for Tory, bit of bore though, doubt he has ever even smoked crack

To single out an individual from the past isn’t correct 

It was the age, if it wasn't him it would have been someone else, ad infinitum 

Edited July 15, 2021 by Binos

[Torpar]

9 minutes ago, Binos said:

To single out an individual from the past isn’t correct 

It was the age, if it wasn't him it would have been someone else, ad infinitum 

But it was him, of course you can't blame one man for all the wrongs done to indigenous people but he purposely starved the "savages" as he saw them off of their land to build a railway, he introduced the programme of assimilation and he also introduced the Chinese head tax. 

[Binos]

9 minutes ago, Torpar said:

But it was him, of course you can't blame one man for all the wrongs done to indigenous people but he purposely starved the "savages" as he saw them off of their land to build a railway, he introduced the programme of assimilation and he also introduced the Chinese head tax. 

Aye and if he hadn't done it someone else would 

The entire empire saw them as savages

[Detournement]

Reading about this reinforces the idea that fascism never really took hold within the UK because all our potential fascist psychos were able to get their kicks in the Empire. 

 

[Torpar]

6 minutes ago, Binos said:

Aye and if he hadn't done it someone else would 

The entire empire saw them as savages

So it's fine then? There are numerous examples of early Europeans and First Nations people happily coexisting as not looking down their noses at the 'savages' Hence  why Metis people exist. MacDonald was a racist, he approved the residential school programme which caused past and ongoing suffering for First Nations people. 

[Binos]

1 minute ago, Torpar said:

So it's fine then? There are numerous examples of early Europeans and First Nations people happily coexisting as not looking down their noses at the 'savages' Hence  why Metis people exist. MacDonald was a racist, he approved the residential school programme which caused past and ongoing suffering for First Nations people. 

The empire took over their countries and have never given them back 

Not really happy coexisting

 

[Detournement]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/14/canada-air-crew-detained-dominican-republic-drugs-bust

Canada sticking to the British line that if someone is white and is accused of a crime abroad they should be sent home with no more than a slap on the wrist. 

The framing of this Guardian story is beyond belief.