Lex Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 That's from the White Paper :lol: The whole once in a generation thing entirely constructed by Yes; so not sure why you are getting upset at No voters. If it is shite now it was shite when it was written. It was once in a generation, unless they lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 ok fair enough, but do you realy think there is any point in arguing over who exactly said once in a generation and when exactly did they say it? was it official ? it was said by sturgeon and salmond when questioned by the media. it was said by the yes campaign in their material. yes scotland and the snp would look stupid if they tried to call another referendum. you know , asking the question over and over till you get the answer you want. f**k me i'm starting to sound like a no voter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubbs Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 I did know where it came from. But unless they absolutely came out and said that they will not try for another referendum, then you're talking out of your arse. There's a difference between a dramatic statement for effect and making policy. This really shouldn't be difficult. No one said it was official policy. It was a continual theme from the yes camp, which understandably is now recognised as a lies; it was in press releases, debates, the white paper etc. Specific and deliberate lies to scare people into thinking this was their 'one opportunity'. I don't have a big problem with politicians lying, its what they do, but losers trying to justify them to themselves is pathetic in a funny sort of way. Merry Christmas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubbs Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 I suppose you'll have proof that it's from the white paper ? Yes I do have proof. Its called the white paper - so lets stop the outright denial and join your friends trying desperately to justify the lies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 Yup, it was pretty much bullshit, and fairly needless bullshit as well. Some people HAVE acted like it's some sort of thing that they need to rigidly stick to though. They did not once say that they wouldn't call another referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubbs Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 Once in a lifetime http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24147303 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 Yup, it was pretty much bullshit, and fairly needless bullshit as well. Some people HAVE acted like it's some sort of thing that they need to rigidly stick to though. They did not once say that they wouldn't call another referendum. To have any credibility they do have to stick to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimneyman Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 To have any credibility they do have to stick to it. People gain and lose credibility all the time. It's a flexible thing, we don't all retain the same amount of credibility throughout the whole of our lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimneyman Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 Once in a lifetime http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24147303 She also said "I love England, but I don't want decisions taken in Westminster by Tory governments.". Anyway, this thread just shows how petty and small-minded we are as a nation. Bickering over one phrase. It's quite sad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 To have any credibility they do have to stick to it. No they don't. The only credibility lost here is by those thinking that they made any sort of promise when they did nothing of the sort. It's a horrible straw to be clutching to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 youre the one clutching at straws here mate. its done. we lost. we should respect the wishes of the voters. that is democracy. it doesnt mean that there will never be another vote. but there shouldnt be one for a long time. another vote soon is wrong on many levels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 Why do you keep saying things that have nothing to do with my point. Yes, I accept that Yes lost and no, I wouldn't like to see another for a long time. This has zero relevance to what I'm saying though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 So what is youre point then? youre spending ages arguing over wheaher or not anyone officialy said this or any party made it their policy? its all pointless anyay, but carry on mate im 7 hours into a 12 hour shift at double time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubbs Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 http://www.snp.org/media-centre/news/2014/sep/thursdays-vote-once-lifetime-opportunity-fm No one ever said it - nothing to see here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 My point is that people acting like another referendum happening is some sort of going against some sort of promise are clutching at straws. Nothing to do with whether they SHOULD have one or not. Which I've made clear. If you're too thick to grasp it, I'm afraid that's not my problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubbs Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/17/scottish-independence-referendum-yes-no-agree-once-in-lifetime-vote Abide by the result ! Edinburgh Agreement 'Abide by the result if it suits us': was/is the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 Fancy showing me where the SNP actually said they wouldn't call another referendum Tubbs? I've already acknowledged what they did say. Showing me it again doesn't really say much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubbs Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 Fancy showing me where the SNP actually said they wouldn't call another referendum Tubbs? I've already acknowledged what they did say. Showing me it again doesn't really say much. What are you acknowledging? That politicians and/or political movements can pretty much say what they like but should only be held to account if they specifically promise it and sign it in blood perhaps. That parties can pretty much repeat things continually and deliberately but that the electorate can't hold them to it or expect them to abide by it. Is that the new politics and the democracy that rocks? Sounds to me like the very worst of the current broken politics - perhaps even worse cos its not only politicians and parties that are spinning and misleading; its the ordinary supporters trying to sell it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 Fancy showing me where the SNP actually said they wouldn't call another referendum Tubbs? I've already acknowledged what they did say. Showing me it again doesn't really say much. What fuckin difference does it make? youre nit picking over pishy details. this thread is about support for another referendum. we are talking about how that would be a disaster for the independance movement if it were held so soon. becuase of the edinburgh agreement to respect the result, becuase the yes camp and snp said once in a generation and most importantly becuase we will lose. who ohnestly cares if they specificaly did not rule out another referendum for x number of years in writting. stop being pedantic you fuckin nugget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecto Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 What fuckin difference does it make? youre nit picking over pishy details. this thread is about support for another referendum. we are talking about how that would be a disaster for the independance movement if it were held so soon. becuase of the edinburgh agreement to respect the result, becuase the yes camp and snp said once in a generation and most importantly becuase we will lose. who ohnestly cares if they specificaly did not rule out another referendum for x number of years in writting. stop being pedantic you fuckin nugget bah humbug!!! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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