Sergeant Wilson Posted December 9, 2014 Posted December 9, 2014 Are you ex-maritime mate (RAF or Navy)?Hello sailor!
Ned Nederlander Posted December 9, 2014 Posted December 9, 2014 Aye, but without 'interuption' was my point. They tracked every UK sub in and out of the Clyde for 50 odd years and nowt in response. I wasn't really sure what your point was - still not to be honest.
DA Baracus Posted December 9, 2014 Posted December 9, 2014 It was't a sub. It was YOUR MOMMA! Your momma is so fat, Obi Wan said "That's no moon; that's YOUR MOMMA!"
Addie Posted December 9, 2014 Posted December 9, 2014 A few submariners want to go to Helensburgh for a night out in BJ's and all this hoo ha? Tsk.
Addie Posted December 9, 2014 Posted December 9, 2014 BJs is now a farmfoods, sorry. What about the Imp or The Royal?
jock001 Posted December 9, 2014 Posted December 9, 2014 ^^ Does not know the meaning of "literally" Except of course, he's right. The nimrod is the same airframe as the de haviland comet, to put it's age into perspective, that's the worlds first ever jet airliner and they've been falling out of the sky since 1953. Also, the nimrod was well out of date operationally as well. The magnetic anomaly detector doesn't really work on modern subs and the sonobuoys it drops can be dropped just as easily from helicopters. It did however have a kickass searchlight but that's not really much good for detecting submarines.
tamthebam Posted December 9, 2014 Posted December 9, 2014 I for one welcome our new Russian overlords up until the early 1990s this was the UK's submarine hunter- 10,000 rivets flying in good order, the Shackleton. if there's one in East Fortune perhaps we could dust it down and get it flying again?
Hillonearth Posted December 9, 2014 Posted December 9, 2014 I for one welcome our new Russian overlords russian.jpg up until the early 1990s this was the UK's submarine hunter- 10,000 rivets flying in good order, the Shackleton. shakleton.jpg if there's one in East Fortune perhaps we could dust it down and get it flying again? Scarily enough, the Shackleton was to all intents and purposes a tarted up WW2 Lancaster bomber. It should have ended its days in a commemorative flight somewhere, but they kept (mostly) flying them up until 1991. They apparently named the RAF ones after characters in the Magic Roundabout, which means there probably was one called Ermintrude - it certainly was a coo of a plane.
Ned Nederlander Posted December 9, 2014 Posted December 9, 2014 up until the early 1990s this was the UK's submarine hunter- 10,000 rivets flying in good order, the Shackleton. shakleton.jpg Whilst I get the sentiment the pedant in me feels the need to point out that the Navy has had dedicated and fairly efficient ASW aircraft and systems for many many years - indeed I'll admit to having to use Wiki to find out just what Crab-Air's fixed wing aircraft were doing to detect submarines and it appears to be basically surface radar and sonobuoys. As usual if the RAF is getting credit for something you'll usually find it's the Navy that's actually doing it.
Lofty Posted December 9, 2014 Posted December 9, 2014 We had to call in the support of foreign maritime patrol aircraft to look for this submarine as we no longer have any of our own. The Tories scrapped our ageing Nimrod's and did not replace them, but hey, they're happy to house their WMD's here whilst also shutting down two of the three RAF bases in Scotland. Canadians, French and the Yanks were involved in the search using their own maritime patrol aircraft which they operated out of RAF Lossiemouth. You could not make this up. http://aviationweek.com/defense/canadians-french-us-hunt-submarine-scotland Are you upset that the Nimrods didn't search for you when you had your "moment" ?
Addie Posted December 9, 2014 Posted December 9, 2014 Whilst I get the sentiment the pedant in me feels the need to point out that the Navy has had dedicated and fairly efficient ASW aircraft and systems for many many years - indeed I'll admit to having to use Wiki to find out just what Crab-Air's fixed wing aircraft were doing to detect submarines and it appears to be basically surface radar and sonobuoys. As usual if the RAF is getting credit for something you'll usually find it's the Navy that's actually doing it. That's what I thought. Do we not have Sea Kings for that?
Addie Posted December 9, 2014 Posted December 9, 2014 Both still going, struggling I think though... You and Jock could maybe go there for a pint at the weekend?
Black Dug Posted December 9, 2014 Posted December 9, 2014 Whilst I get the sentiment the pedant in me feels the need to point out that the Navy has had dedicated and fairly efficient ASW aircraft and systems for many many years - indeed I'll admit to having to use Wiki to find out just what Crab-Air's fixed wing aircraft were doing to detect submarines and it appears to be basically surface radar and sonobuoys. As usual if the RAF is getting credit for something you'll usually find it's the Navy that's actually doing it. Forgive the pedant in me also...The navy do have Airborne ASW capability using helicopters but this is utilised in a different way than 'crab air'. They will try and provide a cordon to protect a surface fleet but to detect and deter an on-station sub or one in open ocean...or one at any distance from a surface vessel...it was down to crab air...not the Shackleton, although it was still flying until the early '90’s, the nimrod took over the maritime capability well before then. Surface radar and sonobuoys (both active and passive) are exactly the same way as the navy detect submarines (along with visual sightings), what else are you getting at? The underwater systems you mentioned earlier, towed array?? Someone earlier on mention a few systems that were still on the aircraft in the Magnetic Anomaly Detector and the searchlight, these however were very rarely used. The actual systems utilised were very advanced and are still used on Naval ASW aircraft and foreign nations. The Nimrod and her crews frequently won sub hunting competitions between allied nations right up until she was retired from service (5 of the last 6 Fincastle Trophys).
Ned Nederlander Posted December 10, 2014 Posted December 10, 2014 The underwater systems you mentioned earlier, towed array?? SOSUS
jock001 Posted December 10, 2014 Posted December 10, 2014 You and Jock could maybe go there for a pint at the weekend? I'd rather lick a tramp thanks. That's what I thought. Do we not have Sea Kings for that? Merlins. Same idea only newer and better.
jock001 Posted December 10, 2014 Posted December 10, 2014 SOSUS Ahem. You just accused the RAF of taking credit from the Royal Navy's work. Isn't SOSUS an american system which they've decided to give the royal navy data from?
jock001 Posted December 10, 2014 Posted December 10, 2014 Yes fantastic guys.......lets just give away all our secrets. You work for the MOD and yet you come on P&B and rattle off all that kinda shit? It's public domain. You can google it.
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