Clayhole Blue Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Completely agree. Going by Aitken comments he would take it or at very least give it serious consideration. I doubt it - he is well aware how friends and colleagues have been treated at Ayr previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrunitedfw Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 I doubt it - he is well aware how friends and colleagues have been treated at Ayr previously. Be more specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue-Orchid Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Be more specific. I'm guessing Neil Watt and his brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 So if the new manager is going to be in place in time to take Saturday's game would imagine an appointment might have to come today or tomorrow. Who's our money on? Stark? Calderwood? Gardiner Spiers? Brian Reid? Jim McInally? John McGlynn? McCall? Someone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Except Reid that's yer list tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 And I have nothing positive to say about any of them tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPrice Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 In order of preference i would like to see 1) Calderwood 2) McCall 3) McGlynn And i think they'd all do a decent job. The rest however, i would like to avoid as they would probably relegate us. Edit: I don't think Brian Reid would relegate us, but we've already been there and it didn't work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmkeenan85 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 No to Calderwood and Spiers, Yes to Reidy and Jimmy Mac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diegomarahenry Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Without knowing the full list of applicants it would be hard to guess, I'm assuming macbookie suspended betting because there was a glut of bets put on Stark, I think he along with Calderwood and possibly even Aitken would be in for the St Mirren job also. Danny Lennon and McCall would be more likely to be willing to take what Ayr had to offer, but 30 serious applicants means there may be a wild card somewhere. Reid didn't give youth much of a chance when he was manager, but the whole time he was at the club we were involved in promotion or relegation right to the last day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Reid didn't give youth much of a chance when he was manager, but the whole time he was at the club we were involved in promotion or relegation right to the last day This. The amount of stick Reid gets for the actual results under his tenure is ridiculous. That said, he's had a bit of a horror show since leaving and if he hasn't actually applied then there's not much point discussing him right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Problemo Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 No to Calderwood and Spiers, Yes to Reidy and Jimmy Mac. Just out of interest, as someone who was within the game, what's your reasoning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callum-ayr Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 It's not Lennon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callum-ayr Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 This. The amount of stick Reid gets for the actual results under his tenure is ridiculous. That said, he's had a bit of a horror show since leaving and if he hasn't actually applied then there's not much point discussing him right now. Reid has probably been the most successful manager we've had since Ally, given the resources he had against say GD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmkeenan85 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Just out of interest, as someone who was within the game, what's your reasoning? These are just my thoughts, Calderwood - Killie links, been out of management for a bit, left Dunfermline in a bit of a mess Spiers - speaking with people who have worked under him did not enjoy that, majority rather than minority. Reidy - done really really well first time in charge, took team to national semi-final (albeit game itself was hugely disappointing) and was promoted on 2 occasions, giving the fan`s some great days, Hibs, Hearts, Brechin. Will have learned from mistakes (hopefully) signing too many loanee`s perhaps not using Youth Academy as much as people would have liked. Jimmy Mac - built up a really decent side at Morton, won 2nd division, steadied the team in 1st division, moved onto East Stirling who were the laughing stock and done relatively well there, now at Peterhead, players seem to want to play for him - good contacts. Whoever gets the job will get my best wishes and hope they do great, for what it`s worth, I reckon the team we had when won promotion first time around under Reidy would be doing well in 1st division never mind the 2nd. maybe I am just biased Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callum-ayr Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 These are just my thoughts, Calderwood - Killie links, been out of management for a bit, left Dunfermline in a bit of a mess Spiers - speaking with people who have worked under him did not enjoy that, majority rather than minority. Reidy - done really really well first time in charge, took team to national semi-final (albeit game itself was hugely disappointing) and was promoted on 2 occasions, giving the fan`s some great days, Hibs, Hearts, Brechin. Will have learned from mistakes (hopefully) signing too many loanee`s perhaps not using Youth Academy as much as people would have liked. Jimmy Mac - built up a really decent side at Morton, won 2nd division, steadied the team in 1st division, moved onto East Stirling who were the laughing stock and done relatively well there, now at Peterhead, players seem to want to play for him - good contacts. Whoever gets the job will get my best wishes and hope they do great, for what it`s worth, I reckon the team we had when won promotion first time around under Reidy would be doing well in 1st division never mind the 2nd. maybe I am just biased We had a fear factor in that team, remember on several occasions going 2-0 at games both home and away and we were always confident of at least getting a draw. Think it was Brechin at home, we were 2-0 down and came back to win 4-2. Even the play offs, down 2-0 after 45 mins v 1st division Airdrie, got it back to 2-2 and really should've won it 3-2 with Aitken missing a penalty. All without Stevo in that game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidkennedyshand Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Billy Stark has the job if you believe this afternoons grapevine rumblings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mgc1910 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Criticism of Reid baffles me. Promoted twice. The excitement of 2 play off victories. Invading the pitch at Brechin. Alex Williams kissing the referee. Chris Smiths header. A semi final of a national cup competition. With the resources he had, what exactly does success look like if all that constitutes failure? The 2 relegations hurt like hell, but in the end, we just didn't have the resources to compete over a season against 9 full time teams. Compare all that to the efforts of Roberts, Watt, Shanks, Money, Stainrod?? Criticising him for the Killie game is just moronic. On that big Hampden pitch against a fitter, faster, stronger Premier Leagie team could have resulted in a hammering. We over achieved in reaching that semi final and I respect Reid for making sure we didn.t have any Kanchelskis standing on the ball moments. In the end, we were 7 minutes from a penalty shoot out. Not exactly a humiliation-Scotland parked the bus for years under Craig Brown as did Walter Smith at Rangers. Work with the tools at your disposal etc. As for the criticism of him not playing young players? Exactly who are we talking about here? I remember the fans clamouring for Mark Shankland to play because he had some interest from English scouts. Turned out he wasn't even good enough for the 2nd division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callum-ayr Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Criticism of Reid baffles me. Promoted twice. The excitement of 2 play off victories. Invading the pitch at Brechin. Alex Williams kissing the referee. Chris Smiths header. A semi final of a national cup competition. With the resources he had, what exactly does success look like if all that constitutes failure? The 2 relegations hurt like hell, but in the end, we just didn't have the resources to compete over a season against 9 full time teams. Compare all that to the efforts of Roberts, Watt, Shanks, Money, Stainrod?? Criticising him for the Killie game is just moronic. On that big Hampden pitch against a fitter, faster, stronger Premier Leagie team could have resulted in a hammering. We over achieved in reaching that semi final and I respect Reid for making sure we didn.t have any Kanchelskis standing on the ball moments. In the end, we were 7 minutes from a penalty shoot out. Not exactly a humiliation-Scotland parked the bus for years under Craig Brown as did Walter Smith at Rangers. Work with the tools at your disposal etc. As for the criticism of him not playing young players? Exactly who are we talking about here? I remember the fans clamouring for Mark Shankland to play because he had some interest from English scouts. Turned out he wasn't even good enough for the 2nd division. This. The youth systems is only now starting to prosper. Our youth players consisted of Woodburn, Shankland and Aarron Connolly. Roddy Patterson got a shot, but was not really up to the task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrExile Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Criticism of Reid baffles me. Promoted twice. The excitement of 2 play off victories. Invading the pitch at Brechin. Alex Williams kissing the referee. Chris Smiths header. A semi final of a national cup competition. With the resources he had, what exactly does success look like if all that constitutes failure? The 2 relegations hurt like hell, but in the end, we just didn't have the resources to compete over a season against 9 full time teams. Compare all that to the efforts of Roberts, Watt, Shanks, Money, Stainrod?? Criticising him for the Killie game is just moronic. On that big Hampden pitch against a fitter, faster, stronger Premier Leagie team could have resulted in a hammering. We over achieved in reaching that semi final and I respect Reid for making sure we didn.t have any Kanchelskis standing on the ball moments. In the end, we were 7 minutes from a penalty shoot out. Not exactly a humiliation-Scotland parked the bus for years under Craig Brown as did Walter Smith at Rangers. Work with the tools at your disposal etc. As for the criticism of him not playing young players? Exactly who are we talking about here? I remember the fans clamouring for Mark Shankland to play because he had some interest from English scouts. Turned out he wasn't even good enough for the 2nd division. In Reids first promotion season the board invested and we had a bit of cash for that league. He did get us promoted but it was hard work compared to what it should have been. The season after we blew it as we had picked up enough points early on that should have been enough. After that money got tighter and he did a good job of getting us promoted again via the play offs. History has also been kind to Reid in that Roberts followed him and his average performance now looks exceptional after the depths of the last few seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mgc1910 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Sorry, but that is complete nonsense. We stuck by guys like Aitken, Borris, Easton and Prunty and we were sinking like a stone in the first half of that season. Reid completely changed the team around in the January with initial success. Unfortunately we faded due to Bowey running out of steam, a fixture pile up due to the awful winter and an over reliance on loan signings who ultimately didn't care enough. The second time we got promoted, we couldn't even afford to keep Ryan McCann or Scott McLaughlin. I'm not saying Reid is beyond criticism, I was simply trying to put his efforts into some context given what we've had to endure before and since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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