FuzzyAffro Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32202768 I say fair play to them and completely support them. Germany also benefited from an enormous programme of debt cancellation that is now being denied to Greece as well as gargantuan investment from foreign countries to rebuild their infrastructure. These things are a large part of the reason the German economy is as strong as it now is, yet they are still dictating to a country like Greece. What's good for the goose and all that, I think all progressives across the EU should be supporting Greece right now. No chance Germany will pay out, but they probably should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fifer Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Are Greece seriously thinking that them pointing this figure out will make Germany go 'All right lads, shall we just call it even?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiochas III Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Absolute nonesense from the Greeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted April 7, 2015 Author Share Posted April 7, 2015 Are Greece seriously thinking that them pointing this figure out will make Germany go 'All right lads, shall we just call it even?' No, but they are making a very good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiochas III Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 No they are not. The Postdam Conference set out everything that must be paid. Their industry was annilihated and they were forced to not be in the top half of European Nations. Their lands were split in 4 (if you include Austria), if not annexed in total. Their foreign assets taken, and 're-distributed. They owe Greece the grand total of f**k all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted April 7, 2015 Author Share Posted April 7, 2015 No they are not. The Postdam Conference set out everything that must be paid. They're industry was annilihated and they were forced to not be in the top half of European Nations. Their lands were split in 4 (if you include Austria), if not annexed in total. Their foreign assets taken, and 're-distributed. They owe Greece the grand total of f**k all /\ Heinrich Himmler is all upset that Germany got unfairly treated, all they did was start a world war and try and take over all of Europe eh. Some people are so easily offended, you invade like ten countries and they make such a big deal of it. They actually owe Greece over ten billion for a single loan alone that they forced Greece to take out, and then you have to consider all the damage they did to Greek industry and infrastructure. Then you have to factor in inflation. The Greek figure is probably about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiochas III Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Who the f**k you calling Himmler. And who said they were unfairly treated? You got a reading comprehension problem? The UK, France, USA, and Soviet Union decided what the War Reps were. Greece, should have shouted louder for their say back then, since they were very much in the British Sphere of Influence. Germany owe f**k all. Greece shouldn't have been cashing cheques it's arse could cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Their lands were split in 4 (if you include Austria), Who would include Austria? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted April 7, 2015 Author Share Posted April 7, 2015 Did you even read the article Heinrich? Greece were forced to take out a ten billion loan by Germany to pay for German occupation of their country. Germany at the very least owes that, adjusted for inflation. You also fail to address the point about damage to Greek infrastructure and industry, which Germany should also pay for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiochas III Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Who would include Austria? The Postdam Treaty. As it was the lands of the Germans, including Austria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiochas III Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Did you even read the article Heinrich? Greece were forced to take out a ten billion loan by Germany to pay for German occupation of their country. Germany at the very least owes that, adjusted for inflation. You also fail to address the point about damage to Greek infrastructure and industry, which Germany should also pay for. But, you miss out the simple fact of the treaty, which ended the War made no mention of it, but did lay down what The Germans owed the victors. Unless Greece wants to claim that they are still at war with Germany, and do not recognise the terms of the Postdam Conference then they are owed duck all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted April 7, 2015 Author Share Posted April 7, 2015 In your opinion, but not in theirs. That's victors justice, America was paid reparations right up until the 1980's, Greece is clearly due them too. If the allies overlooked that during peace negotiations that's their fault not Greece's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiochas III Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 It's been the way since the first peace treaty. Greece can claim they are owed it but they will find no backing on the international community (maybe Cyprus) but unless they class the Postdam Conference null and void and are still at war with Germany and are able to gain victory and sign their own treaty that says they are owed this money then they are owed exactly £0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted April 7, 2015 Author Share Posted April 7, 2015 In your opinion as I said. If they were forced to take out a ten billion loan by Germany which hasn't been paid back (and they were, and it hasn't) then they are at the very least owed that, adjusted for inflation. Was Greece even a signatory to Potsdam? If not it doesn't apply to them I agree they will find little backing and get no money, what they are trying to do is to put pressure on Germany to ease conditions on them. They might be successful with that, and are morally completely in the right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Unless Greece wants to claim that they are still at war with Germany, and do not recognise the terms of the Postdam Conference then they are owed duck all This was basically Germany's argument. They didn't surrender to the Greeks. It isn't as if this is an issue that has just raised it's head since the election in Greece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted April 7, 2015 Author Share Posted April 7, 2015 I don't know much about this, but if Greece didn't sign Potsdam it doesn't apply to Greece. Making this whole line or argument redundant. Greece would have to sign its own bilateral peace treaty with Germany, or just not bother as often happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 The Postdam Treaty. As it was the lands of the Germans, including Austria And Poland. Austria is not part of Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 And Poland. Austria is not part of Germany. It was after the Anschluss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 It was after the Anschluss. So was Poland after the invasion. The Potsdam Agreement did not indicate that Austria was part of Germany it just dealt with the disposal of the reich's Eastern territories and the future of the entire Eastern Theatre of WWII. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Fuzzy discussing the politics of a country that isn't Scotland. Hmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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