forever_blue Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Sorry to break away from the current election debate but watching this week , and someone made reference to a Neil kinnock speech costing labour the campaign in the last week or so of the campaign , having watched the video on youtube of the shambles of a night labour had organised and going by discussions in the youtube comments , was it really that one night that cost labour that election ? Was a bit before my time so am just interested to know if one rally really cost a party an election so close to the day of voting , surely that night has to go down as one of the biggest political gaffes if it did infact cost them a general election , having watched the video on youtube , what on earth were they thinking ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YassinMoutaouakil Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Is that the one where he keeps shouting "we're alright"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever_blue Posted April 30, 2015 Author Share Posted April 30, 2015 Is that the one where he keeps shouting "we're alright"?YesThe whole night just seemed like a bizzare night , the point I am making is were they actually an almost certainty to win the election untill that night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 That was the first election I voted in.. the day after the election the streets of Edinburgh were quiet, nobody could believe Labour had blown it and we were stuck with the Tories again. I vaguely remember that election rally- I think Labour were trying to catch up with the Tories who had ran slick campaigns for years. We then got spin, Campbell, Mandleson etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I never really felt like they were going to win outright, despite the polls. However, I'm prepared to believe that the Sheffield Rally got the Tories their majority. It was horrifically arrogant, cringemaking stuff at the time, and went down like a turd in a swimming pool in every area. Introducing yourselves as "the next Home Secretary", etc. Disgusting, and pissed a lot of people off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Sorry to break away from the current election debate but watching this week , and someone made reference to a Neil kinnock speech costing labour the campaign in the last week or so of the campaign , having watched the video on youtube of the shambles of a night labour had organised and going by discussions in the youtube comments , was it really that one night that cost labour that election ? Was a bit before my time so am just interested to know if one rally really cost a party an election so close to the day of voting , surely that night has to go down as one of the biggest political gaffes if it did infact cost them a general election , having watched the video on youtube , what on earth were they thinking ? U have the youtube link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooky Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Just a few days ago actually I watched a documentary on John Major that was quite interesting. (Or as interesting as watching something about John Major can be I suppose!) I wasn't even born then but it seemed to be making the case that in the last few days of the campaign, Neil Kinnock was making speeches indoors to party faithful, whilst John Major was going around campaigning on a soapbox, presenting himself as a working man from humble beginnings and telling people how the Tory party can work for them also. Seems quite incredible that after 13 years of Tory government with the Thatcher legacy and the fact the polls predicted a Labour win in 1992, John Major received more votes than any other winning PM, before or since. Of course he barely had enough seats though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever_blue Posted April 30, 2015 Author Share Posted April 30, 2015 I never really felt like they were going to win outright, despite the polls. However, I'm prepared to believe that the Sheffield Rally got the Tories their majority. It was horrifically arrogant, cringemaking stuff at the time, and went down like a turd in a swimming pool in every area. Introducing yourselves as "the next Home Secretary", etc. Disgusting, and pissed a lot of people off. Aye it was Michael portillo who said he was canvassing somewhere that night who said he had not seen the rally however he sensed it as people kept informing him what a disaster it was . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever_blue Posted April 30, 2015 Author Share Posted April 30, 2015 U have the youtube link? Aye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever_blue Posted April 30, 2015 Author Share Posted April 30, 2015 That was the first election I voted in.. the day after the election the streets of Edinburgh were quiet, nobody could believe Labour had blown it and we were stuck with the Tories again. I vaguely remember that election rally- I think Labour were trying to catch up with the Tories who had ran slick campaigns for years. We then got spin, Campbell, Mandleson etc... Was this the election labour started turning towards the whole "new labour " idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 It was a victory rally the night before the election, and will go down in history as one of the stupidest things that had ever been done. It serves as a warning that there is only one poll that counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Was this the election labour started turning towards the whole "new labour " idea Someone will probably say otherwise but no. John Smith followed as leader. After he died Tony Blair started the New Labour revolution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Was this the election labour started turning towards the whole "new labour " idea not quite- that came under Tony Blair when he became Labour leader after John Smith's death. But the seeds of New Labour were there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Was this the election labour started turning towards the whole "new labour " idea No, it was losing that one that caused that. As someone said above that's when spin took over the party, and really when 'New' Labour were born were when Blair took over in 1994. This was very quickly followed by the abandonment of clause four of the party constitution which changed the entire nature of the Labour party to the scum they are today. Clause four basically stated the workers should own the means of production if at all possible, it was where Labour's socialist roots were grounded. In, I think, 1994 they removed that clause from their constitution which changed Labour fundamentally and forever. They've never recovered, that was a move to the centre to become electable again (though they should have won in '92) but in reality it will probably prove to have been the moment that sealed their fate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 That election has had huge ramifications up until this very day. Had Labour won it, they likely would have been trounced in the next election and William Hague would likely have been Prime Minister for the next ten years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Did anyone else notice Neil Kinnock getting out a helicopter in that video. I mean a helicopter! Shocking waste of resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Is that the year he got knocked over by a wave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Is that the year he got knocked over by a wave? He was a bit gaffe prone. That was quite a bit previous to 92 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V58dOl84MaI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 That election has had huge ramifications up until this very day. Had Labour won it, they likely would have been trounced in the next election and William Hague would likely have been Prime Minister for the next ten years. Very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrshireTon Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 This was also the election which saw Jim Sillars lose the seat he had won four years earlier in a by-election. He chucked it after that and had a pop at the country for caring more about the National Team than the SNP & their policies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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